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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Minsk, Belarus any info? Author Post Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/14/2005 12:58:40 PM   Toad, you did develop a habit of signing off with 'happy toad' but have changed it, so I was just pulling your leg. The Belarus-bit was not 4 you, it was for 32. felicedate Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/14/2005 5:33:33 PM   WT. You or your friend are lieing. I stay for every my word. Give me his e-mail. I would love to see an insane cop who would ask a foreigner for a bribe! One simple question. HOW COULD THEY DO IT WHILE NOT A SINGLE POLICE MAN HERE SPEAKS ENGLISH OR YOUR DEUTCH??? Were they dancing around him or what? I have never heard such a bullshit. If you would learn what penalties would wait a cop for such things here you would think twice before writing this. ONEKINDMAN Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/15/2005 1:16:27 AM   Thanks Guy's I Don't have a trip planned yet I just met this one and will see how it goes. jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/15/2005 1:46:56 AM   FELICE, You are talking like a buffoon.All police know how to say these very few words in the FSU. 100 dollars or jail . It happened to me in Kyiv. It is not a great educational achievment. Everyone of you know what the word dollar means . Please spare me. GLTALLTOAD Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/15/2005 2:43:24 AM   Jmoluv, You know I have my reasons to disagree with Felice on many other things, but everything he said about strict anti-corruption laws for street cops in Belarus coincides with what my friend's wife Irina says. They maybe annoying, unhelpful and rude, but they know that if they shake you down they have more to lose than the few dollars they can shake from you. I'm sure they're not all angelic public servers, but Irina emphasized the differences among police behavior among different FSU countries. toad Worldtraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/15/2005 4:35:52 AM   felice, there is not any reason why my friend or me should lie. he reported it to me as it happened to him. of course taking bribes by police isnīt allowed. as it is in all other countries. and? does it mean, that policemen in countries like yours will follow it to 100%? never it happend to me (like jmoluv mentions) that any policeguy in moldova approached me, asking in english language directly for a bribe. no, it works in the same way, as it happened to my friend in belorussia: you are told, that the policeman wants to drink something, that your documents arenīt looking accurate so you have to follow to policestation and loosing time or you are simply told, that policemen have a bad economical situation. those policemen are not working alone, they are two or even four. and they are cooperating well together. as each of them gets his share they will keep their mouth shut. it is exactly the same scenario as it happened to my friend in minsk and brest. it is up to you to describe the reality as bullshit. maybe it comes from the complete government controlling of belorussian medias that you arenīt better informed. once more again, my friend or me donīt have any reason to lie. why should we do it? wt jmoluv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/15/2005 6:48:39 AM   Felice, Of course you would not know that this thing does not happen in your country . Who are they going to take money from first , you a native Belorussian who walks down the street with no smile or a big happy American with a big happy smile being polite to strangers. felicedate Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/15/2005 3:53:51 PM   WT. Again, can I have your friend's e-mail? I want to talk to this man and find out everything. You just don't realize what you are talking about. Last month a doctor in Orsha(80 km from my city) got 7 years of jail(!!!) for taking a bribe of around 20$. And this is nothing in comparisson to what will happen to a law enforcer. Remember that a simple cop even can't approach a foreigner here, this sphere is fully controlled by KGB and I don't envy a cop who would have to deal with them. However rude, annoying our laws and authorities are, in connection to foreigners they do everything not to cause an international scandal. I can give you dozens contact addresses of my clients and noone will say that he witnessed bribery here. It is almost impossible. Now they even don't take bribes from the locals. Sometimes I miss old good times when 10$ could settle a problem with road police, now they would better let you go with no fine than take a bribe. In Russia 90% of road police are corruted like it was in the Soviet Union. You just don't realize the total scare atmosphere all Belarussian officials live in now... nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/15/2005 6:13:10 PM   Hmmm? KGB and avoiding international scandals? Yep no body no scandal. spirittraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/15/2005 7:49:30 PM   Felice-I was mildly surprised at the outrage you expressed in your letter. I could even imagine your face being all red with anger!! To confront somebody with these words ( lies ) here is saying that you completely disount any possibility of one of these policeman taking a gratuity? I may be wrong,but I have never been in any avenue of life where somebody has not pilfered,stolen,or taken money for `favors`. I would like to believe it but I cannot. Perhaps we are describibg another stereotype==FSU policemen being corrupt. It is not unreasonable. The same things are said about cops in major US cities. What I will concede to is that your country has taken steps to eliminate the graft and vice among policemen. This is a good thing! crashnsplash Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/15/2005 9:08:33 PM   well, I cant speak from where your from Felice, but in the time I was in Russia I was witness to two of my friends trying to get their way out cops trying to get some money out of them. Any time I'm over there I get a little paranoid when they are closeby. Whenever Im in the metro I try and blend in as best I can when entering because their always watching at the entrance. Worldtraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/16/2005 7:17:17 AM   felice, you reacting in a way, as if i would intend to hurt you personally. which is for sure not my intention. it might be normal, that sometimes people have a different opinion about the same topic. but as long as i know definitly the correct facts i will of course defend my opinion. but it may lead to the situation, that i describe the opponent one as a lier. so you are free to stay on your opinion. doesnīt matter if you donīt know it better or if you donīt WANT to know it better. understand please, that following your unpolite reaction i will neither give the mail-adress of my friend to you, nor to discuss with you anylonger about this topic. and be sure: i "realize very good what i am talking about". wt Worldtraveller Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/16/2005 7:19:30 AM   korrecture: the sentence must be: "but it may NOT lead to the situation, that i describe the opponent one as a lier" WT felicedate Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/16/2005 5:33:08 PM   You know, there are a lot of bad things in Belarus(Crash we are talking about belarus here, not Russia), all sorts of crime, theft, robbery, scandrels of all kinds. This is just the same I guess as in all the FSU countries. But in the point of bribery and especially police bribery... NO WAY! It can't be. So when one tells me that his friend experienced the most vivid bribery in Belarus compared to all the other states. What can I tell? The same things as if this person would call dog a cat. You know why in Thailand drug dealing is one of the lowest in the world the same with China? Because they several times a year take around 100-200 captured drug dealers, take them to a field and soldiers shot at the drug dealers with their good old AKMs. All this goes live on TV. Barbarity? YES! But will you tell that Thailand resembles Amsterdam and one can buy crag there in the streets? I guess no. The same is with bribery in this country. For 10$ you can get 5 years, easily. And believe me there are a lot of special services that watch for it. The matter is that our president's strongest point he ever had and which allowed him first to become a president(8 years ago already if I am not mistaken) to stay at power and get people's "yes" to change constitution twice to his favour was his ultimate unticorruption policy. This is ridiculous, barbaric and rude to my mind by this is bare truth. unclebuck Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2005 1:10:23 PM   My Lady lives in Belarus and has her own buisness. When I was there the police were stern but no body asked for a bribe. Since this new president took office they have cracked down on bribes and missconduct and are increasing the taxes to make up the gap. It is like most countries that are trying to emerge from a corrupt system. Now if you want to wander around with out a local to run interfearence for you or aren't sure of the local system and language then you deserve what ever happens to you. We Americans have repeatedly attempted to impose our values on other people's systems with out looking at the whole picture. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Minsk, Belarus any info?
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