Ill be looking forward to reading your post here in a year sulking over the disaster,.. just like all your friends here... 1 year ago it was 'fuck off vanechka" now they are revealling stories that I predicted...
Vanechka,
Regardless of how badly we may fail in our attempts to develop a relationship with any suitable woman we may find, I am willing to bet the farm that not one of these men here is willing to trade places with someone like you, mate.
personally i think vanechka makes sense. you guys seem to be....well i think you should listen to the guy a bit more...but thats just me. they do call it "mail order brides" for a reason. and sterotypes were made for a reason. and theres a reason (like anything else in life) why theres so many agencys in russia, asia, and basically any piss poor tin pot nation. i just find it amusing that every single one of you disagrees with the guy in everything he says. in rehab they call this "DENIAL". however since i come here daily i must be into russian women..and i admit that i am. up here in canada all ive run across is drugged up girls and well slutty girls who get around.......theres also the high maintenace types who think alot about themselves...$$$ :) you could argue it might be the circle im hanging around..i dunno. im only 22 and sick of women here. ive never met a "normal" one...and the only ones that come close to that are already taken and there still pretty fucked in the head too. there must be someone out there thats not obsessed with $$$, sex, material things, etc, etc. maybe there in russia? hey guys whadda you think?
think about a person who has no $$$, is going no where in life and some 'older' man from the west with alot of $$$, a friendly smile, sparkling personality, and love for dance shows up. what would you do then?
mrbrown:
" and theres a reason (like anything else in life) why theres so many agencys in russia, asia, and basically any piss poor tin pot nation."
I take it from your statement that you have taken into account how many agencies there are in such "piis poor tin-pot nations" like the US,UK,France,Germany....etc etc etc....need I go on?
Stand back for a minute.....read your own words.......I suppose at the ripe old age of 22 you have extensive knowledge of the planet?
Have you ever managed to cross the Atlantic Ocean?
You take our collective disagreement as "being in Denial",there is the clue I suspect,lay off the chemical substances,grow up and return when you have something interesting to contribute.
It is not the fault of "reefer madness",either. it is as has been said before--there is a certain emotional level of maturity (in men especially),and for some reason it takes a good 30 years to grow in. Kind of like puberty in adults. I also believe this emotional maturation dictates what kind of relations you will have with anybody--man woman or dog. As much as a good man will be beaten down in his life,he will always stand back up and fight for what he believes in,whether it is moral principles or the life he desires to have with the special woman. Part of success is based on simply never giving up.
(some people forget that we are after a special breed of fish here!)
actually i dont smoke pot and i havent done any chemicals in quite some time. im drug free. although i must admit i probably do have clinical brain damage. i no longer hear voices or interact with hallucinations. it took 2 stints in rehab to "finally grow up". laugh all you want you probably havent been there so i understand your ignorance. why the fuck am i even talking about this. yes i have travelled "across the atlantic"..and guess what across the pacific as well...havent seen the indian ocean yet though. sure i probably am immature in certain aspects, actually i know i am but im smart enough to know (at the ripe old age of 22, not 40-50!!) WHY there are dating agencies and all sorts of funny things in piss poor tin pot nations.
so why arent there dating agencies in north america or first world countries? hmmm.
spirit thats interesting that you mention that. ive heard that same thing..i think in a different way, but you word it alot more simply. i agree with it totally.
All women are real, but only in that case if it will be valid the woman:) Instead of "player". Play also men and women:) On work time lasts so long:) So why to not find to itself a pair of brides?:) Even if you have wife and two children:) Unless not so?:)
And to check up a reality of the girl very simply:) « Lovely, you do not want to arrive to me? Came please a copy of your passport, I need to issue the invitation »:)
They are real alright! look good act sweet BUT! - All of the girls are and economic refugees! Watch your wallet! That's what they are after, and the citizenship other than Western Europe. How naive are you to think a beautiful "Sexy" girl is IN LOVE with short bold you? How long after she gets what she wants is her fidelity or love going to stay? Save yourselves a heartache!
This is a post I placed recently. It somewhat supports your viewpoint BUT as for them running off as soon as the ink is dry on the greencard you are wrong!!
"I think Toads points are very valid but I think that the main reason that women wish to find a foreign husband is as old as time itself.
They want OUT!!
It is a simple and if done right a pain free escape from a life of poverty and zero future.
Family is one thing but friends generally come and go. I left England 21 years ago and do not regret for one second leaving. Once again it was poverty and zero future in Britain that motivated me among other things.
Women have used their looks to make 'good' marriages forever and this is merely another face to the same phenomena.
We western men try to make this palatable by coming up with all kinds of fluffy reasons that generally just koocheekoo our own egos. The websites are not stupid they pander to this. I love Elena Petrovas story - if you believe any of it. Or if even she deep down does.
However having said all this I do not criticize. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of this so long as everybody knows what he/she is doing. Zero harm done and frankly a marriage that seems to be banged out right up front seems to do better.
It would seem that the romances that blossom on a college lawn don't do so well down the road. To be honest I have absolutely no idea why, but it does seem to be the way of it.
I guess what I am saying is that we would do best not to stroke ourselves over this and heartily recognize the massive practical motivational side to all of this. Not just on the women's part but also the men.
There is not chance in hell that I could find a slim, beautiful woman that (if I play my cards right) will love me and care about me who is 15 years my junior in America. Maybe if I was Donald Trump or Bill Gates but otherwise I had better look abroad.
There this can be done. She gets a better chance in life and maybe a leg-up for her family and I get all of the above.
THEN if one gets REALLY lucky you might just bump into somebody that will love you purely for you and all the other stuff is incidental. Personally I think that is rare but this forum speaks of success stories of that type over and over and so who am I to pull it down. I wouldn't think of it.
What I am saying is let us not kid ourselves.
For all our striking of the Vanechkas and 1234's there is an element of truth in what they say. It is carried to an extreme but nevertheless it is there. We kid only ourselves to deny it completely."
The success stories are "manufactured by the agency" and are a marketing tool to get more men to subscribe..even some of the "personalities" here are manufactured...its a fake marketing ploy to suck men in to handing over money.
In real life, most FSU/Western marriages are lucky to make it to there second anniversary.
Inter-cultural marriages do not work and will end in disaster for the western guy as he looses his money and his house..Russian girls learn the Western way and attitudes very quickly and are come equiped already with a greedy mentality before they set foot on foreign soil.
Wake up people.
Vote 1 for Vanechka!
Now I can sit back and watch myself being attacked by teh fakes in this forum..what a joke this!
Its undeniable that there are a few things working against typical western men having a successful relationship with an FSU woman.
1.) Its HARD to get to know someone REALLY based on letter, phone calls, and a few short meetings. And a 90 day fiance visa is a SHORT ammount of time to make a crucial decision.
2.) There ARE economic refugies all over the FSU who realize that they have little chance in this generation to "really LIVE not just exist" (as one girl put it to me just yesterday). This gorgeous girl works for $10 per day as a secretary in a Baltic country. She sees either stripping or getting married to a foreigner as her only way out.
3.) These girls DO have great social skills, and are able to pull heart strings remarkably well. We, as western men, are vulnerable to being manipulated very easily when a gorgeous girl pays us more attention than we have ever had before.
4.) there are big time cultural differences that are hard to imagine and harder still to overcome.
But having said all of that - the FSU STILL offeres wonderful opportunity for western man - so LONG AS THEY STAY WARY.
My bride will definitely be a girl from a former Soviet country.
All secretaries I now live pretty well, what kind o looser is able to get only 10 dollars a day! Are you sure you has been told trouth? Always is possibility to go college to make better career!