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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Most call themselves Christians Author Post CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2003 8:20:25 PM   Norway, Close, but off the mark, is the best way to describe your misquote, If your going to us the Bible (your own faith) as a comparison then you should at least get it right. You distorted and twisted the nature and meaning of a Scripture to prove a point, used it as a comparison to the Koran, Called the Scripture you misquoted sick and hateful, and also placed the Scripture event in the wrong testament. There is an old joke that relates to this: I watched what I thought was a visitor come out of the church service one time, and he shook hands with the pastor. Well, the pastor pulled him aside and said "Johnny you should join the Lords Army." Johnny replied "But pastor I'm already in the Lords Army." The pastor asked " Then Johnny, why so I only see you on Easter and Christmas?" Johnny whispered,” Because I'm in the secret service." Thought you might be related. As for Islam's defence for it's contradictions, Ill leave that for a practing Muslim who knows what hes talking about. Ill debate what I know and Ill let him debate what he knows. As for jihad vs peace thats debated all over the news at the moment. Id like to see this thread get back to how your faith interacts in your relationship with a Russian woman. norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/26/2003 5:01:42 AM   Look codered, before you start exploding you can't see what everyone else can see. World faiths include large and contradicting bodies of thought and philosophies from long before the renaisance. That way you can pull out conflicting ideas from them if that is your intent. Heard of "Onward Christian Soldiers going as to war.." salvation army anthem. This is almost exactly the same sentiment as jihad. If your extreme and imbalanced you can interpret this as a call to violence against any other religion. If you're balanced and reflected you see it as a personal inward battle against things like intolerance.. what have i misquoted and since when have you listened to someone preaching Islam? CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/26/2003 8:48:59 AM   Well you weren’t preaching Islam; you were quoting your own bible incorrectly. Plus you were bending the text completely wrong and taking it out of context to make a comparison to were there was none. You claim to be Christian and all world-renowned and when you’re shown your mistake you not Christian enough to even admit to it. I’m not exploding; I'm sitting here nice and calm. So now since your unable to make Scripture comparisons you’re going to start to compare songs written by man. Plus you even have that wrong. Onward Christian Shoulder is a 19th century anthem written 1865 by Gould (An Anglican pastor) stated the song has its roots in several points of scripture. II Timothy 2:3 “Endure hardness as a good soldier of Jesus Christ, Matthew 16:18 I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” Gould reminisced later that he wrote it for children to sing and march to while on a school festival. He also said he wrote it in haste. The songs meaning is for a spiritual fight not a physical fight. The Salvation Army, an international movement, is an evangelical part of the universal Christian Church. Its message is based on the Bible. Its ministry is motivated by the love of God. Its mission is to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and to meet human needs in His name without discrimination. It is no way a fighting organization. And it has adopted no official theme or anthem. Islam is not my faith. However, I have listened to the preaching of it. I’m very open-minded. Now I’m waiting for you to bring up the boy scouts in comparison to the Hitler youth and black helicopters in the sky. I can see pulling out conflicting ideas from faiths but at least you can try to get your information correct especially since its part of your faith as you stated. I can understand if you got the Islam law incorrect, and I would not know if you did. But In your own faith you’re way off base and out in left field. I agree that if you're balanced and reflected you see it as a personal inward battle against things like intolerance. I support allowing others the enjoyment of their opinions, chosen modes of worship, and the like. But if your going to claim a faith and make comparisons you should at least have your facts straight. Faiths do have contradicting bodies of thought and philosophies. However, When you claim your faith your supporting a particular body of thought and philosophy that you supposedly know about and have been versed in. Don’t you think you should know that in which you claim to believe in? We all understand violence in society and bigotry in human nature. God retracted all the supernatural gifts that he planned to give humans when Adam and Eve sinned. But the only point I’m making here is that if your going to quote something, then at least have your information right. You’re a train with out an engine if you don’t really know your own faith. But Ill end this now. You made all my points for me. Again lets get back to how your faith interacts in your relationship with a Russian woman. norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/27/2003 4:26:52 AM   Totally lost! I rest my case. to you're last wish: KEYWORD "TOLERANCE" PS: I buy all my clothes from Salvation Army shops. Environmentally friendly, cheap, cool, anti-consumerist and supporting an organisation that preaches tolerance and generosity .. also for junkies. I might not be so keen on preaching, but at least they have a good attitude. FiftyCent Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/27/2003 8:23:24 AM   I completely agree with codeRed on this one. CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/27/2003 11:32:19 AM   I’m sorry you’re lost; maybe if you studied you faith would find your way. I don’t see in the entire statement above where I mentioned tolerance. I mentioned intolerance, which was in reference to a statement you made. I’m glade you can get your clothing at Salvation Army. Its good to know that they help those who need it. I don’t shop there; I would not want to take from those who need it. But I don’t think your future Russian wife would be happy knowing she will be getting all her clothing from Salvation Army. I’m glade the junkies have a place to get their clothing from. How do you know they are junkies? It is an assumption? FiftyCent Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/27/2003 12:54:56 PM   Aouts, that must have hurt .... FiftyCent Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/27/2003 1:08:39 PM   Although I am not talking specifically about norway, as i dont know the man, his averall 'style' is common in Norway. Most people I knew and were from norway, had his style, like shop from these shops, wear boots, etc... Most were aetheist communists as well... Which they are more than allowed to be, but it is what I find not very good.... Most Norwegians study alot of philosophy, Psychology, and all that stuff. They also try to analyse everything, trying to find a "logical" meaning to whaever happened, because simply, they do not believe that God or anything other supernatural exists. I am not a fanatic Christian, that means that I dont go to church every Sunday, but I truly believe in God, and I have true faith in Him. What Norway is saying about christians is alot of nonsense. Muslims are the fanatic ones, and even that, not all of them. christianity is teaching you how to love people, and NEVER does it tell you to kill or hurt anyone. On the contrary, it states that, if they slap you, turn your cheek and let them slap you again... Norwegians are really aetheists mostly. Thatis why they focus more on the people;s needs etc, they truly believe that God is not there..... CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/27/2003 2:59:22 PM   Norway, I forgot to address your other verse that you wanted to use to state your case earlier i.e. “the parable of the plank vs. speck of saw dust in the eye.” We must be careful to understand these verses in context. They are often misunderstood and misapplied. These verses are favorites of unbelievers, who are quick to throw them in the face of believers who defend the law of God. "Obviously men make false use of this [teaching] when they would make it a pretext to remove from the scene all discrimination between good and evil." Great care should be taken when passing judgment upon others. Jesus is telling us to look at our own lives first: "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye" (vs. 3-5). As Spurgeon comments: "The judging faculty is best employed at home." Jesus here expresses the importance of clearness of vision when judging others. If there is a plank in your own eye, you may very well be miss-seeing the speck in your brother's. "Casting out the [plank] will make us more clear-sighted, more sympathetic, and more skillful, in casting out the [speck]." And, note well, that Jesus does not say to ignore the speck in your brother's eye. He says "first" take the plank out of your own eye, "then" you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. "The would-be helper's first priority must be to remove the obstacle to clear-sightedness from his own eye. That done, he is equipped to bring aid to his brother. We should not overlook the point that the speck is to be removed... It is not unimportant that even this small defect be rectified." But your a "white male Christian" and not an unbeliever, Right? FiftyCent, I agree with you comment. Psychology and religion have usually been hostile to each other during the 20th century. My contribution to dialogue between psychology and religion reflects my perspective that they can work together. There is value for people of faith to understand psychological science. It is also of great advantage for a person of psychological science to have a faith. To try and explain the other away is just a dismissal. They can and do co-exist together. I do agree with your statement. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/28/2003 2:04:19 PM   This goes to the guy who buys his clothes from salvation army: I started reading your postings and then I stopped. It's so much nonsense, so much blaaahhhh such a waste of space on the server. You comment about racism in America is out of place. There was a time when people of different color were treated differently in this country that's true. The law protects the rights of colored people in our days and if there is any phobia, it’s phobia of discriminating rather than phobia of being discriminated. This is not to say that "informal" discrimination does not exist. However, the progress that was made on the issue of civil rights in this country the past twenty thirty years has no comparison. Realizing the cultural differences between people of different color is not religious and racist phobia. It is a fact of life. The majority of people who live in ME are muslims. The phobia is all yours. You're scared of the new world. You are envious of people who work hard and as a result enjoy the good things in life. You're a loser and you live in your own fabricated illusive world of blaaahhh, blaaahhh, blaaaahhh. You fake your incompetence and ignorance and pretend you're smart, but it's obvious that you're not, you're just a loser with a huge ego to admit it. P.S. After you pray to the Lord every morning (if you do), you should thank America for winning the Cold War. Now that Russian women have become available to the world even losers like you can find a semi decent woman. norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/2/2003 6:54:42 AM   OK I don't know if the salvation army in the states works like it does in europe, but here all the people who know anything about both charity and trend make a round every now and again. The clothes that are sold range from crap to super-trendy flamboyant colar shirts from the 70's. I get a very positive response from woman in Norway and here we are talking about Nowegian woman..World's most rich, free, and beautiful. Eat that. The salvation army gets half its income from sale of used clothing. They do not sell to junkies. They give to them. By buying clothes here, you support the work of the salvation army. Codered, in one note you seem to defend the salvation army anthem. You simply refused to see that I was not attacking the salvation army's anthem, I was attacking the way exteme christians attack Islam on points which are just as prominent in christianity. If that isn't sawdust and plank, well I give up. Somewhere along the line you haven't been taught rational thinking. In you next comment you seem to be ignorant of how the salvation army functions finacially, and send out a signal to others not to support their work. Shame on you. 50cent It sounds like you have been dumped by a number of Norwegian girls (no surprise) and can't let it go. You're comments about Norwegians are about as far fetched as it is possible to go. As I have already explained to you, I just live in Norway. I am bascically raised in England, and my mother is dutch. As a foreigner in Norway, I can tell you objectively that Christianity is probably stronger here than in England. Politically Norway is almost identical to Canada. Left of centre perhaps, but only just, and extemely tolerant and democratic. According to e UN reports Norawy and Canada usually battle for 1st place on quality of life, life expectancy, human rights. If you don't accept the verdict of the UN, well who is undemocratic? And yes almost everyone in Norway has higher education and so are able to understand more than service industries, and can move on to topics like psychology and philosophy. I do undertand that you might react to a non-latin germanic culture here. I too find Norwegians a bit too stuck up on rules. But believe me, you see the same fashions here as in any European city. All that with boot and stuff, well yeah Norway is big-country, has a wild untouched nature. Here men are men without having to make and break friends of the opposite sex to feel "macho". Glad you see Christianty the way you do. That's the way Muslims see Islam. However it's not history and it's not what is written in the bible or the koran. Read the thread here more carefully and remember the crusades. dvretto, americans are no more racsist than anywhere else, no need to defend america. However, try harder, much much much harder to defend the rascist comment you made. "It's disgusting for a white (Russian=aetheist) woman to convert to Islam". Is it also disgusting for an (non-white)arab to convert to Christianity? Why is that better? Personally, I agree with the world opinion that the Russians themselves won the cold war against their own dictorship. They had a little help from skandanavian countries and Germany who by being determined defenders of democracy stopped the spread of communism at their borders. As far as the cold war is concerned I thank the States for f**king up afganistan and iran and putting Islamic extemists in power, selling weapons to Isreal and generally feeding all the discontent in the middle east with fertalizer. As far as me being a "loser", you don't know me. If you can only defend your written ideas by using such tactics, it simply seems that you are a bad loser! wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/2/2003 9:05:40 AM   Why do you put these *** in front of the "f" word? If you want to say the word, just say it and stop being pretentious. The cold war was won by the United States of America. Our technological superiority and economic power is what bent the communists and resulted in their unconditional surrender like the Nazis in WWII. That was the strategy. The execution was very simple: we bought their political elite. When their top heavyweights realized it was over, they ran for the money. Europeans benefited without having any contribution whatsoever. It is always the American taxpayer who pays to fix every freaking problem around the world. If we didn't sweep Afganistan (and Iran is next I agree and I hope Syria as well) your democratic paradise would be next in their list. A few years ago, a plane attack on Eifel tower was planned just like the one in NYC. It is convenient to say that islamic militants is America's problem because you are certain America will clean up the mess for everyone eventually. Typical leftist European mindset. Well, the world is changing for the better and history will be our judge. FiftyCent Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/2/2003 1:19:21 PM   As far as the commies is concerned, I wouldnt have put the facts better thasn wtrar02. I hate communism, I have nothing else to say for this. Now, mr MAN DUMB NORWAY, seems like norwegians have studied all the sciences well, and they have also time to read psychology/sociology, eh??? What exactly is you major of studies?? Hair analysis? or maybe aeitheistolocommunology? Or is it just a faggot arse? So Norwegian girls are most beautiful and rich in the world ha? then why are you writing in this forum? go out, get a cheap beer, and watch them, so that you will have something to dream about at night. Looks like theyre not getting enough of punani there though, cause every time they come to Cyprus, they re desperate. I had two Norwegian girls at the same time, they were friends and they both knew that a was banging them both, but they wouldnt mind. One even came all the way to England to visit me...thats for been dump by a Norwegian girl... So you Viking better set your word straight, before I straighten it up for you, what do you say dong? norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/2/2003 2:10:35 PM   Boring boring. yes dtretto, you are american, you big flash gun, you save Europe. You man. You won all wars alone, you are white you are right. Happy? Greetings from a vietcong. Your tax money seems to have to thrown on setting up the fanatic regimes around the world so you can regret and fight them after. Real smart. Cheaper to buy a mirror? 50c. You want to know what I do for a living you will first need to learn how to read. Then you can read what I said on the other thread where we have talked. Then you'll know why I'm here too, looking for a wife. If there is anyone who wishes to take up the theme of religion and tolerance seriously and with integrity i'll join in then.And only then. norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/2/2003 2:19:03 PM   PS Intelligence quotation from dvretto: " Why do you put these *** in front of the "f" word?" That's funny! norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/2/2003 2:33:57 PM   PS Intelligence quotation from 50c, (who knows everything about Norway) "go out, get a cheap beer" Cheap beer in Norway! That's funny! Russian brides > Main Forum > Most call themselves Christians
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