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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Im still married - advise please Author Post hussar Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2006 7:55:59 AM   Martin UK ... No chip on my shoulders ... what did you do? Just read my message and not the others? I said let me SUMMARIZE what has been said. I didn’t write ANY of that. Those three points, summarized what YOU, aussie, and others have been saying … or what I perceive you gentlemen are saying. I’m just trying to figure out if it is worth it anymore. So, do you have a chip on your shoulders? danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2006 9:40:41 AM   Hussar, OK I stand corrected however if someone wrote that Madonna was doing a concert on the moon would you summarize that also and then ask 'why don't we go?'. Despite how high divorce statistics are, anywhere in the world, not all of us will become divorced, likewise one cannot believe typecasting an entire sub continent's, indeed two sub continents, female gender as materialistic and it is not highly unlikely that she will not love you after a few trips, one or two trips maybe but a few, the chances are quite reasonable! hussar Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2006 12:40:22 PM   << likewise one cannot believe typecasting an entire sub continent's, indeed two sub continents, female gender as materialistic >> Well ... this is not the first time I've heard this. But what's worse, I've heard it from people not on this web site. What's even more worse, is I've heard it from Ukrainian speaking men in the U.S. The Ukrainian society near NYC (Cym) is made up of basically 1st generation Ukies. As I live in the area, and I am also of Ukrainian ancestry (but American), and have a friend in that organization, I visit it once a year. They told me WITHOUT HESITATION ... and without me even mentioning anything about these "mail order brides" that any one of them, would pass up these highly attractive "Off the Boat" Ukies as they are materialistic. These lovly ladies would come to the club, and each one would warn me. Each one would say take half your money and burn it. It's the same. And each one had a horror story about how they know someone that was screwed ... for example, there lovely young wife's brother needed to come over, so the husband spent thousands ... only to find out it was her husband. These are first hand accounts Martin_UK, first hand accounts of Americans of Ukie ancestry. Men that avoid these "OTBs" at the CYM club, because of all their experiences. So when one of the gentlemen above posted these women are materialistic, it begs for me to ask the question. Why are we here? danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2006 1:52:32 PM   They told me WITHOUT HESITATION ... and without me even mentioning anything about these "mail order brides" that any one of them, would pass up these highly attractive "Off the Boat" Ukies as they are materialistic. Hussar, Please go find me a lady from FSU that may be delivered by mail order, as in your referred to 'mail order brides' and then one may perhaps take you more seriously. We don't have 'off the boats' as you call them, we have airports in Europe! Perhaps the obvious hasn't occurred to you, with your seemingly preconceived ideas, that perhaps, just perhaps, Ukrainian men may have something of an attitude towards Ukrainian ladies who, in favour of western guys, are rejecting Ukrainian men for a number of reasons and not all of the reason monetary, ever thought of that Hussar? There are materialistic women everywhere, it's part of being a woman. Not so many years ago it was customary in the west that the wife would not work, only the husband would work and he alone would support the wife and family. So the FSU, parts of it anyway, are still catching up and if they're all so bad, as bad as you have been warned about, then why are you bothering? hussar Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2006 2:56:12 PM   What is your problem? Your tone is certainly a chip on your shoulder. Didn't you read and see that "off the boat" and "mail-order birdes" were in quotes? These are terms that people refer to immagrants as ... sort of like horsepower. It's a term. What is your problem and issues? These are WESTERN men of Ukrainian heritage. Being from the UK, you may not understand how normal this is in the US. We're all from another country. These men are western, they just get exposed to "off the boats" as they are referred to as. And they all say the same. You ask, So why am I bothering? Because I am an open minded individual, and I would like to hear what other people say. So now I ask you, Why are you so confrontational with me? danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2006 6:28:48 PM   Hussar, I neither have a problem, an issue or a chip on my shoulder, you are the one quoting 'mail order brides' and 'off the boats', if you don't believe in such terms then why do you repeat them? What next, 'vending machine brides' or 'off the MIG fighter/bomber brides', for heavens sake, get a life! You suggest that I may understand what is normal in US but please understand that US is a continent, an ocean, away but Ukraine is within the same continent as myself, who might you suggest that Europeans have a closer understanding, an affinity, with? You say, quote, 'And they are all the same' but you are wrong, to be human is to be different, have you ever met someone exactly the same as yourself, would you like to be disrespected to being the same as everybody else? I think not! You say you are open minded but you have a habit of posting others thoughts, as if you don't have a mind of your own, I'm not being confrontational but you will have to excuse me if you choose to refer to my Ukrainian wife as being materialistic, off the boat and the same as every other FSU lady, that is something that she is not! Amen To Moscow! Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2006 11:02:17 PM   Hussar, my situation is identical to yours, except that my family is from Russia. I can count at least 18 marriages between American-born men, like me, and girls from Russia. Based on my observations, all but 2 have been successful. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2006 1:57:09 AM   So mike00 and his pals are sponsors of girls who make themselves available on demand during these men's trips to the fsu. I am wondering why these men wouldn't be able to buy such services in their own country and avoid the hassle of going overseas. Either they are such losers that they cannot even find australian hookers who would take them or they are simply fond of combining tourism with sex. hussar Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2006 7:48:22 AM   Martin_UK, I do have a life. You just have serious issues and a chip on your shoulder. I didn't say anything about your wife. You just feel like you have to be some knight and "protect" her honor. As a Ukie myself, I can say anything I want about my kindred, unlike you. Why don't you grow up, and stop pointing fingers. When you do that, remember that there are three fingers pointing right back at you. You're being a hypocrite. Regarding being across the pond, I agree with you. You have a closer affinity with other European cultures than I in the United States. I'm an ocean and continent away. Saying that, I do believe you think that when I say "GENERALLY, western men of Ukie heritage in the US have serious issues with Ukie women" is valid. If you can not accept that, fine, but I feel you are then indeed narrow-minded. My exposure to this pool of people is much greater ... and on a personal level. I'm just telling what people say. You are just angry, and want to "shoot the messenger" which happens to be me. You just want to censure what I say. That's not going to happen. hussar Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2006 7:52:21 AM   To_Moscow I'd be very interested in hearing what your experience has been with Russian women and American men of Russian heritage. All of the men at the Ukie club feel strongly about this (these are first generation Americans, born in the US). They will only marry a Ukie girl if she was born in the US too. They just say it is nothing but heartbreak and trouble ... Thanks in advance for sharing your experience and opinions! danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2006 8:28:42 AM   Hussar, Well there you go, you need to marry a girl born in USA, end of story! Martin hussar Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2006 11:56:33 AM   Martin, I'm here to inquire and obtain information to find the right course of action ... it's called due diligence. I feel bad that you are so defensive about any form of a question or critique about FSU women … but when someone is trying to form a knowledge base about the process and advantages and disadvantages, people have to be able to take the good and the bad comments … something you seem to have difficulty with. I'm still looking forward to hear the experience of To_Moscow and the men of Russian ancenstory. I wonder if they are very similar. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2006 2:49:14 PM   Hussar, Having travelled to FSU some 13 times I have seen, I have witnessed, the good, the bad, and indeed the ugly. It seems that you are one of these so called researchers that will talk and talk and talk whilst you remain firmly planted behind you keyboard or listening to an NYC 'club'. You can talk and talk for month in, month out, year in, year out but you ain't going to learn diddly squat in comparison to getting your ass on a plane and seeing and learning for yourself. I've been answering questions on forums such as this for years so that is not a problem but you are offering others advice or information to others when you have little or no knowledge of your own, you've merely been listening to 'hearsay'. I can take questions and/or critique but I don't have too much time for people talking sh1te :) To Moscow! Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2006 9:44:50 PM   Hussar, None of the 18 men that I know, including two brothers and two cousins, found their wives through a web site. They all traveled to Russia to visit relatives, all of whom live in small villages well outside of urban areas. These relatives played an important role in locating the prospective wives of their American cousins. I’ve also traveled to Russia, but primarily to check out Moscow and visit my relatives in the countryside. Each night I ate dinner at the home of a different relative. Each relative invited several local village girls to the dinner. These girls were attractive, educated and young (early 20s). After dinner, I was asked if I was interested in any of the girls. In one case, the girl's mother asked me outright if I was interested in marrying her daughter. Would I marry a girl from Russia or FSU? Sure I would. Because they make great mothers, are excellent cooks and place the family first. Are they materialistic? Generally speaking, yes. But it's unreasonable to expect the marital benefits to accrue only to the husband. olegnay Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2006 10:33:04 PM   hussar, your story sounds like 19 century:) hussar Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2006 10:14:21 AM   Martin_UK, I’ve been to Europe and Eastern Europe numerous times (although mostly for business). Maybe you should get off your ass and visit the NYC club before you “poo-poo” their experiences. But I should expect that from you. You can’t value another individual’s experiences. You sure take a "Holier than thou” opinion. You think your sh!t doesn’t stink. I have to just get on my knees and bow to your greatness and pomp. You are all knowing, and my opinions and experiences are obviously flawed and wrong, because you are so awesome and so almighty. I’ve seen your type before. Never wrong… won’t listen … shouts louder to be heard…. demeans others and their opinions… and has no real friends. If you don’t like what I write, don’t read it. But I know your type. You JUST HAVE TO RESPOND. You can’t handle not getting the last word in. This is so easy at this point to keep you going. hussar Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2006 10:17:19 AM   To_Moscow, Thanks for sharing your experience. That sounds like the best way, family and dinners, for sure! :-) I'd like to follow up with another question, if you don't mind. You said generally speaking, they are more materialistic. What are some of the things that you noticed the most ... or maybe, bothered (?) you the most? The reason I ask is that one person may see things as materialistic, but another may not. I hope that is making sense. Thanks in advance! danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2006 11:41:15 AM   Hussar, And earlier you tried to claim you didn't have a chip on your shoulder :) Right, let's put it to the vote to all forum members, we'll make it easy by making it a multiple choice question: Question, If you wish to learn and see for yourself life in the Former Soviet Union which of the following cities would you not feel it most beneficial to travel to: The choices of answer are: A. St. Petersburg B. Kiev C. New York D. Moscow To Moscow! Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2006 2:28:21 PM   Hussar, I said they are materialistic. Not more, not less than their American counterparts. If you're a white collar professional or otherwise financially successful, you're not going to have a problem with an FSU girl, unless you're an alcoholic or are cheap. It's the working class guy who lives pay check to pay check, trying to save enough money to buy into American dream that may have problems. I don't think living in America, in and of itself, will satisfy an FSU girl. Afterall, they've come here for a better, easier life. My brothers' wives pretty much have it all: nice new house, new furniture, expensive clothing and perfume, etc. They both went hog wild in their spending when they first arrived. But they both now practice fiscal discipline. So, instead of thinking about themselves, they now think about buying a larger house in a better school district as they expand their family. These are goals that benefit the family as a whole. This may sound funny, but if you go to the FSU, look for a girl with good teeth. Just about everyone I know married to an FSU girl, including my brothers/cousins, has shelled out thousands of dollars for dental work. Btw, I've been to one of the Ukie clubs in Philly. Those guys are so ghetto. hussar Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2006 4:19:43 PM   To_Moscow, Thanks for the insight. It was very helpful! Russian brides > Main Forum > Im still married - advise please
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