Lol like id trust locals thier mate -- no way in the world ! trusting folks in russia my god 6 of ten are crooks.
Try and count just all the western guys been robbed over say last 5 years ! hey there aint enough hours in the day to count em all .
No iam happy to spend and take care of my golden assetts ive not a lot of trust in these people.
To much poverty ( on the increase too ) to much desperation ! i mean to say when a bird as we have all seen will sit for hours at computor going fishing for guys hoping she'l scam $30 of a sucker .
I mean thats pretty damn desperate ----but trust somebody over there take care your girl / $$ etc ohh man what a thought - absolute minefield there -and if it were a guy he'd be trying to invade her pants - no risk on that .
ohh no i will be ok thanks i trust in life what i see in front of eyes , believe what you see . specially in that country .
Its more economic for well !!! what iam seeing is a growing army of guys adopting the style of non - marriage ! and living and going as i do ! ''hey it works '' we dont have this great cross straped to backs --we can come and go / as we please -girl is happy everybodies happy .
all depends what you want / are happy with in life --if somebodies happy nomatter what they do ---- well good -------so be it yes -leave em be !.
I leave again for russia 31st july -- spend a month with the darling -ahh for the good life . --------you only live once !
-:) ok Mike, you convinced me!
In fact, I wasn't sure I would get married when started this (but intended to do so if I found the right person). I had some hopes I would find love through letter writing, but did not really believe it until I found it! I'm happy as ever with my sweetheart!
I agree if that fits your lifestyle and you can be happy a few times every year while keeping your assets safe from gold diggers, then go for it!
Have a safe trip to wherever you're going and lots of fun! I bet the farm someone's getting a brand new wardrobe and a new perfume collection soon!
"Almost all of our relationships begin and most of them continue as forms of mutual exploitation, a mental or physical barter, to be terminated when one or both parties run out of goods."
dman ive just returned from another short jaunt to the sweethearts place of abode in mother russia .
Thankyou for the realistic comment - its great weather there mate at the moment i shall head off again before september 12 do a month stay hmm !
My girl has moved to yoshk-ola now after just being there id say thats the most UNSAFE ive felt in years that place - birds all sponging a feed off you some desperate times in that place .
To some other comments i don't really know if my life style you know 3 to 5 months i spend with my girl in russia each year is anything to whinge about --iam happy with her too !
I dont get the drift guys at times - some of you seem to fall foul to many worries there ! ive bypassed all that ( dont get married lol lol lol ).
very sad you know i think i looked deeper into the structure of russian ways this trip iam back 2 days ago ! all the poverty -un called for ! putin spends millions restoring the palaces but on a real cold winters day folk die in the park ------crazy back the front mentality ! ( end result pretty buildings and nobody alive in the street ???)
Cant see the point spending 10 million putting back palaces to the way they were if at days end you end up with nobody left to savour them.
Adman ive done so many trips ive made a decision iam sellin up hear move to over there - all this 10,000 dollars a time trips - taking a little toll on me ! may as will live there hell iam spending more and more time each year there anyway.
Iam in Australia and each time iam on plane heading back to down under i reflect the whole trip on the why factor !! why would anybody in the world want to break thier necks to come to aussie ???????????.
15 / 20 years ago yes i could understand! but now what sit hear pay bills till you die for what ! to live with these wretched underclassed aussie girls ? obese before 30 wrinkled prunes at 40 and want everything on a silver plate and guess what you get all the ABUSE you can handel and all for free .
Yes why not live there ive looked into it all i cant see anything untimely hard about it, my girl has no great want to escape the place so what the hell i spent total $39,000 AUD last 4 trips combined ------ hell buy a place there with a russian for that and have change --why go through all the visa drama taking em to a place (western country ) which by the way only 40% of them adapt to.
Ive a mate hear married to one keeps him broke because she wants 3 trips a year home to mum and at month a time cost him 14k send her back to mummies 3 times in last 12 months , might as well live there save all the fares .
Id say living in russia would / could barely suit 30% of the guys on hear but it would me to the ground. ive got no ties left alive in aussie - so why stay ? after all its become a politicaly correct cesspit of accountability ! great life for robbie the robot and i mean hell no adventure hear no more.
Bore a bloke to tears . but russia ok you do have a bit of danger anybody that cant see that needs glasses ( real big ones )but but but ! the saving graces ! aussie whom has just 300k to his name live smart in russia hey you will be 143 years old before your dollars run out , there great interest rates , cheep as chips to us living costs ! all the lovely dears one could ever hope for ! hm its a great result yes.
First time in years this trip i just did i met a guy ( aussie ) from Carnarvon state of western australia just moved to russia ! he's 46 his girl 27 -- does she look like she just alighted a cat walk ----yes she does so pretty id say she floated off the cat walk . nice bird to go with it.
I asked him are you happy mate ohhh he replied 3 months hear so far mike ive died and gone to heaven !living like a native splashing a whole $10 usd a day it has not even effected his interest --said to him would you ever go home ?
His reply after he near choked at the shock of the question was ( hey call me mad / but dont call me stupid -------go home he screamed --to what! and why! --am i going to have this sort of life for $10 A DAY IN AUSTRALIA !!!
He is not getting wroughted by his lovely in any way or form -sure he keeps his princess well as i do mine hes certainly not suffering for it.
I think now over years all these forums you see have been very 1 sided eg; lets all get the girls to us FROM RUSSIA !!!! if your retired or well off - or just plain have plenty of $$$ and have nothing in the country you live in - well i think its a far better deal to go live there ---i mean what have you got to lose? -you can get run over by a bus anywhere in the world - and everybody has to die of something - hmm two surest things in the world are death and taxes lol lol.
and you will live in style if you take a sack of loot with you !
Ive done my sums and if i never work again after 2007 my interest alone from what i have gives me even at worst case scenario $3400 aud - each month rest of my days income -and thats the worst result --but in russia where joe average is battling to obtain $265usd ON A GOOD MONTH ---PER MONTH well i cant fathom how a westerner could possibly end up behind unless a total retarded dill .
Talk about the prince and the pauper lifestyle! ''everyday living sorry but you cant spend 3400aud a month'' ------ i dont drink/ smoke and not much interest touristy joints once you seen them well ------- who wants to climb the same mountain twice ay !.
what a life lay back with the darling - take off to holiday anytime one deems fit .
Yes guys i think the ones in the idealic situation are wasting there time in western country - no good going through all the hassles bringing the ''class ' to you --easier you venture to it !
when will they create a forum
Mike: Go for it, you are right these trips do get expensive. If you do move, you might think about setting up a service for us unfortunates. I see a real need for a legitimate service to see if these girls are serious. You can spend an awful lot of time and an awful lot of money and get surprised. Of course, that is what these agencies want. I think you would do real well for yourself. You cannot trust the agencies or the interpriters.
barfly you are right mate agencies huh ive never used one - bit like taking a resume to the blind society - its always puzzled me why they have agencies ! hey i met my first bird there in the park !
second one in a cafe - whats hard about it ?? who's in thier 40's hear remember aged 18/ 25 you walked in the boozer went home with a good sort ! hey nothings changed , learn 75 words of russian pull out a 1000 rbl note and all your communications worries just went out the door .
Agencies my god they still sell snake oil ay --roll up roll up - come in spinner ! only if you believe in the snow goose !
like the betting shop and poker machines they'd not be thier if you could win on em !
agencies more rackets than a tennis shop .
Ive seen guys there falling for the free card trick enterpretaurs $15 an hour ! i do my own lingo i know enough to get by .
LOT OF GUYS have fallen foul to agencies the con's------ trick is treat the place as home - if man from the west can go one end of st petersburg to the other on foot any given day and not go home that night with a good sort --- then he's gay !
same deal moscow ------same deal cheboksary ( although its a dump i reackon )
Ukraine i can't really comment on for some reason kiev puts wind up me that ukraine well places in russia you feel a tad unsafe but i reackon ukraine is tad more unsafe .
specialy Lugansk -yuk !agencies there no do NOT play with em you'l lose your shirt .
One thing thats a real wrought about russia all this crap ohh you must book hotel entire stay ive often wondered where they dug up that law -- straight outu prohibition days !
Iam lucky ive got my own place there 1/2 shares with the blond ! but hell all my trips had i been paying hotels each trip well i dont know id be looking pretty ordinary by now .
Funny the ruskies some criteria relaxes some does not but i fail to see what purpose this ''send the westerner broke '' by paying hotel scenario ! can really do for tourism .
I see ive got to jump through a few hoops to stay there a year / more ! stupid laws its like saying look we want you to make a $ out of a bakery but we forbid you to buy the yeast !!!! laws all contradictory ive never been able to work out where they coming from or going to .
Country on the skids should be bending over backwards get the $$$ in not trying to put folks of with red tape . all very queer !
Still if it gives me the shits the red tape of staying there il just do what the guy did from netherlands got pissed off all red tape of staying there ( he is filthy rich ) just moved to a town blended in with folks and his lovely let visa and passporty expire lol lol he did dinkum ! just stayed there big article in news about him around 18 months back a errr catch me if you can scenario .hes still there .
well with 145 million folks and area 3/4 times size of aussie well how would they ever find him if a bloke does not want to be found he wont be ay .
Good on im i could not see ruskies bothering anyway cops all to busy extorting 200 rbls from tourist to go chasing some bearded rich guy from netherlands --why bother ! if TB dont kill him his 31 year old lovely will in the sack lol i like his style !
What to die of TB or knob rot ?? lol lol.
Iam going to add up what my trips have cost me --il need a stiff drink i reackon - id say it would be in the realm of 90/ 105k over long time! still shroud has no pockets ! can't take it with you. I know ive spent over 14k accomadation on the earlier trips - bloke must have been mad !!!!
Be thier enough call for it i know 1 guy there canadian is already starting to do checks / proper checks on girls for westerners he's doing ok he charges $150 usd full check and he goes right to her door to.
$150 usd its a real cheap saviour of your wallet yes id be in that setup like investigatory firm why not the need is there and if a guy is already there well 3/4 of the battle is over ----could always trust an err enterprising russia to check up for you but nar i doubt id trust him ---he will tell you what he thinks you should hear - one think i dont trust there ---russian guys sorry no way .
Should the russian girls ever become as crooked as the russian guys well ----its all over then id say .
cheers
mike 00
Mike: Do you know this Canadian personally? Do you know how to get in touch with him?
I was going to throw in the towel but am considering trying again (my friends aldready think I am nuts so what the heck)
However, If I do try again, I do not want to get surprised. I am not going to invest two years, tens of thousands for visits, more thousands for vacations etc. only to find out she was never serious.
BARFLY yes mate ok i can send you his details its not a worry mate vacinations ive never had any ? god knows ive felt a bit crook after being jammed into those aging white ruskie busses that supposed to hold 60 people but you find 200 sick slobs packed into em ay . i was quiet sick after last trip !
ok send me email at this address il give you all details hes ok this guy he wont lead you astray .
I KNOW what youre going through mate my first trip was january 1999 not until like hmm end of 2002 was i able to you know see through the hedge by that time look id lost i dunno but close to $17,000 scams wroughts all the nasties but look honestly read as i write ok il confess iam a tad the playboy up until like 28 months ago but no way could anybody separate me from my golden blond now - nor she from me.
Meet my girl tell me she aint the perfect angel if she aint il stand starkers in red square in minus 34 dinkum i would i could count on her on a clift edge ! my mates yes same track they all went down - advantage we had ok iam lucky enough to have a dollar -yes and it took me 2 decades trading , work specialised i do to get there no bugger strolled up and gave it to me .
So iam enjoying now the fruits of laboures and il continue to until wallet runs dry that will be a while yet .
You just got to have that never say die approach hey i went out 8 birds from january 1999 until 28 months back it becomes a torture survival of the fittest i spose .
Don't give up mate the golden ones are there is just the crooked ones outnumber em like 10 to 1 .
You want a country girl as mine is not pulluted by big city mentality - il make enquiries with my sweetheart she may just know a good friend whom is straight as she is . whats your preference in age ( you don't want an antique mate ) you cant stay young with a fossil !
With kids / without ?
blond / brunette / kazan beauty ?/ you dont want a bird has had 27 owners high miles , you know more grief than the lone ranger ! you want a bird sees you only -nobody else in the world as unique as yourself ! you dont want one thats going to carry on to her friends in russian in front of you as some do thats real rude --i wont tollerate mine doing that as you never know be they talking about you or not.
YOU dont want one running round $400 mobile thats puts yours to shame as only 1 way she could have got such an item --and she did not work for it !
IF you got a bird on $200 a month wearing a $500 outfit with phone , gold dripping off her well perish the thought how she came by it all !!! but you bet your rollicks she did not get it honestly on $200 a month . no mum from the cold war era did not cark it and leave it all to her .
hey i tried to tell a usa guy in a bar with a lovely my last trip that he was with a crook i could pick her a mile off -but him with glazed eyes and a bone in his pants so hard a dog could not chew it!!!!!!!!you could see that he was about to get taken for his lot --he said ahhh what would you know ---------i seen him 3 days later near same location had hate on the world she had cleaned his plough and he was on is own crying its all thier fault !
But hey nobody could tell him --here he was 53 -16 stone a walking heart attack and a 23 year old brunette with a body to kill for told him darling i loves you !!!!!!!!!!!!!-- yeah sure she does !!!!!! she picked him up in the metro ! my god .
$843usd later here he is screming foul i mean for god sake he had a waist line as big as texas wondered why he got ripped off . WALRUS ON THE WADDLE !
Told me he had done 3 trips that the birds had wroughted him for thousands its all thier fault??? and next trip should be on THEM ! but hey he was splashing $100 notes in the poorest end of town with cigar big noting himself ! wondered why he gets ripped off ??
Thats a real smart thing to do in russia '''NOT '' ---------------I MEAN YOU shove $500 in face of anybody that only ever seen 2400 a year in life --what do you think they are going to do say !! ohh please put your dough away ! we dont want to see it --yeah sure !
guy was just pure DUMB!
here is home email barfly - i wont put the mates details on hear hell he'd end up 150 blokes on blower to him ohh we need a new tart !
its ok mate happy to help
mike here is email .mrmalter@bigpond.com
The only way you are not paying for it is if she works and you dont. Even then you will be paying for it with mental anguish.
I was married. After the divorce I worked out it cost me about $800 per root. That was just the settlement forgetting about the financial burden during the mariage. I have no qualms about paying for a girl for some temporary pleasure it costs a fraction of the amount of love. Even a casual dinner will cost you!
It amazes me how many men, the “miserable”, in this forum are so myopic that they can see no farther than three inches away from their chin, a distance equal to the length of the dollar bill. The “miserable” are convinced that everything in life has a price and can be bought and sold in increments, and is available on demand if one can pay market price. It should be no surprise that the “miserable” are unable to initiate or develop, let alone sustain meaningful relationships with any women at all. As a result, the “miserable” end up buying sex at the going hourly rate and perceive FSU as the land of opportunity because the hourly sex rate in FSU is much lower than it is in western countries. Then the “miserable” try to convince others that we all fall in the same category, i.e. we all somehow buy our woman’s love (sex for them since the nuance of love is foreign to them). This is perhaps the way the “miserable” try to relieve themselves from the painful notion that maybe others in this world have been able to escape the misery in which the “miserable” live every day:) It makes an interesting sociological observation and a pretty funny five minutes spent to read these posts.
Geriatrix, I have found the remedy for that "7 Years Itch."
I have a rather open-minded spouse who is willing to have a menage a trois (participation optional) as long as the third party (male or female) is agreed upon by both of us. Lowers the porospective third parties a little (either because of their scruples or ours), but it also prevents the "7 Year Itch" as it were. Of course, not all couples are so open.
Had to post it again on page 1 since it has awesome value for people looking for a real relationship, not just for a hot chick and or playmate.
Bagira are you a muslim? Cause this is the point of view most of the muslim people have, there is a differance between dating and dating. One you can consider playing in the garden, a new girl/boy each week. The other is considered a relationship were both parties are "single" but generally do not date other people (if they do I would consider it cheating).
I have to agree with Martin, dating a longer time IRL deepens the relation and it gets easier to decide to marry or not. He!! even after seven years of "dating" a Dutch girl which I was get married to, she cheated on me more horible then the simple jumping of beds.
There are 3 simple ways to get hooked up:
1. wtrav02 already mentioned it, go for a lovetour.
2. Buy your personal slave of the illegal market (just remember that most countries forbid it).
3. Do it the hard way, spend huge ammounts of time, emotions and perhaps money if the girl is not from your hometown but halfway around the globe. The biggest timesinks we have in this world are; work, taxes and relationships.
And to what Mike00 does, who cares? If they both are having fun let them. I must say, been, there, done (doing it?) it and no I do not have the T-shirt to prove it.
4. Just write and subsequently travel to FSU, get taken to the cleaners, she says 'I love you' and one, thinking only with his penis, begins the fiance visa process and THEN, the real problems begin :)
bollicks martin and you know it - some folks enjoy FUN ! the stuffed shirts in the OLD BOYS CLUB GET LEFT BEHIND !
Fsu girl will not take you to the cleaners if you are strong enough to control thyne wallet --------as i always say mans in charge of his pocket - the only ones that go broke are the ones whom let it happen .
Example the ones that cry scammers ! oh for god sake - if in sydney or new york some bird selling papers on the street a good sort !!! sobs she needs $10 would you give it to her? no you would ignore ( reality check yes ))
go broke with fsu girls ''balls i say'' ------you want to give it away! any bird in the world il take it all .
Absolutely no comparison as to what a western bird could clean you out for as opposed to fsu girl its like $100 comparing to $10,000 - hell no wonder we head to fsu - its a better deal all round .
you have class / style / lovely girls - sure the odd bad one but thats as easy to see coming down the road as a car load of militia is in moscow .
only a mug if you choose to be yes !
mike00
Hi men , i dont know how many times we all go over old ground in our minds about the woman. a message to the new comers , not got the t- shirt guys, all i can say is be extreamly careful , dont be tight but spend nothing,absolutly nothing on clothes, shoes, cars, jewlery etc... this is so wrong and is not the way to go ,never send money, any talk of money from her treat carefully, money should not even come into the relation if it does its gone right where you dont want to go. she should help pay for visa and plane tickets to show she is interested ,let them spend a bit of money and then your see how true they really are. all you reach guys have spoilt it for every one else , word travels fast that us guys are rich and foolish with our money,and they belive this, and then all suffer for attracting gold diggers :( i think some are true, some not................. spend nothing.................. i the very bad speller but this does not make me a fool :))))
MIKE00,
Exactly, one will not get taken to the cleaners if they are strong enough to control it but that is where 'thinking with penis', as I made mention of, comes in.
If a guy thinks with his brain then he controls it, if he thinks with his penis then he doesn't, so why are we arguing here MIKE00, it seems that we are both agreed namely that a guy needs to think with his brain to control a situation,
It looks as though MIKE00 from oz is trying to impersonate you with his other false "BUTCHER.U.K" name. you can fool yourself mike but you do not fool anyone else here. we can still trace your isp from it.