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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Are they Russian women? Author Post Philly Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2006 2:56:40 AM   Martin, I think you may be right about the percentage that want to leave FSU. And I see your point about two Russian economies. As for Ukraine, my sense is that society is divided between the very wealthy that eat at expensive restaurants and drive pricey cars; as opposed to the relatively poor (everybody else). As I mention is another thread, I read in the Kyiv Post that the average monthly salary in Ukraine is $200! These are not the people eating in those fancy restaurants. Having traveled there on five trips and speaking with interpreters and acquaintance from Ukraine, I think Martin might be right that most women do not want to leave. But it is quite possible the most of those who are looking to leave wish to do so mostly for economic reasons. For goodness sakes, it is quite common for college girls there to prostitute themselves for a mere $10/hour ($30 goes to their "bosses"). Like most every underdeveloped nation in the world, the corruption of the wealthy elite leaves nothing for the less fortunate masses. I mean, why are all these great looking FSU ladies looking for love with Americans, when you do not see the same volume of women seeking to leave western Europe (whose women are equally beautiful)? Surely economics plays a major role, and other Ukrainian women have told me so (though not the website women). So, Cycleserg, I am hoping to find the woman you describe who wants to find love, but I do not deceive myself to think that economics and self preservation is not part of her agenda. And I do not think anything is wrong with that, so long as she is sincere that she wishes to make such a marriage work. Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2006 6:33:31 AM   Im not so sure Martin The girl was going out with here in NZ sure wanted to stay. And she wasnt poor. I think it is more the women on these "mailorder bride sites" that dont want to move. They get so much attention and make so much dosh from foreign guys,well they just dont want life to change. They have a great old time playing all the guys. But for the millions of others things are a lot different. There are a lot of pretty girls but only so many rich guys in Russia to go around. olgas Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2006 5:47:33 PM   I hope not to cause too much trouble, but I see some problems here. I am a woman from Ukraine who is Russian. Now that is a lot to say. I do not take offense to being called a RW. For me it is the simplest thing. Most of the women you guys are dealing with who are in Ukraine are RW. You may run into an ethnic Ukrainian woman but it will not be as common as RW in Ukraine. Of course we want to leave for economic reasons. If it was only for love why would we not stay closer to friends and family? No woman wants to work her whole life remodeling apartments. Cycleserg I do not know your lady but I can guess she does this because she HAS to, not because she WANTS to. Every RW just wants a better quality of life where she does not have to work herself to become old hunched over babushka at early age. That's all. And to have a good future for her children with better opportunity so they do not have to live the hard life. We are not afraid to work. RW are just tired of working too hard for too little and never get ahead, never improve. Of course the best formula is love + better economic situation. To have both of these together is ideal. I was lucky to find this. You have to wait and be careful in the choice. I waited through letters from 2,000 men. But too many RW get tired of waiting for love and settle for only one half of formula. They see their chance for a better life slipping away. They see other RW leaving and feel left behind. And too many WM prefer to be blind to this, wishing it is really love. Do not fool your self. She may be too proud to tell you it is economic, but that is a big part of it. And do not fool her. You need to be able to give her not only love but economic security and a better life as well. Olga danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2006 6:11:38 PM   Olgas, I do not, to others, refer to my wife as being Ukrainian or indeed Russian, I refer to her as being 'from Ukraine'. Of course people ask 'where is Ukraine, is it in Russia?' but I take the time to explain to them. When one has a wife who was born in Uzbekistan, of Russian parentage and now holding a Ukrainian passport I find it easier not to start talking about nationalities :) P.S. Even when I lived in Luxembourg and I would be on my travels in western Europe people would question where Luxembourg is, everybody has heard of it (it had a famous radio station once upon a time) but many do not know where it is :) Cycleserg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/6/2006 11:22:16 PM   Olga I agree with you completely. Now I am with a Russian woman from Novosibirsk, Russia so everything is easier for me. Philly Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2006 12:27:52 AM   Olgas: What you say makes perfect sense, and is consistent with my observations. I will say that every prospective agency girl denies the economic part, and the party line is that the Ukrainian men are pretty worthless as husbands. How big a role do you think that plays? olgas Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2006 1:48:01 PM   Philly, Of course the RW deny the economic part. First reason is famous but impractical Russian pride. Second is not to scare away a potential husband. No I do not think the difference between RM/UM and AM/WM plays a role. RM/UM are definitely different as husbands than AM/WM. But "worthless" can be told only when looking from the Western point of view. In our own culture RM/UM are what they are. And that is O.K. until you leave the culture to see something new, a different way of living, different values. I can say that my American husband is very "worth-full" (a word to be opposite of "worthless"?). He takes very good care of me and our daughter. It is easy to see we are his top prioroty. And not just from economics. He gives time and attention more than anything else. When our daughter was born last year, he changed his job and moved our home just so he could be home every night for dinner. (He used to travel a lot.) And I see a lot of American men like this. Most are very good husbands and fathers. But a RW/UW can bnot honestly say this is why she wants to marry abroad. That is because she can not know this yet. She can not understand or appreciate the difference. Not until she has lived in the West and experienced it for her own. Until then, RM looks just fine to her. In fact many RW/UW hear only horror story about AM/WM. This is because the only ones that come back to tell are those that had bad experiences. (We say "bad stories travel longer.") Later, a RW can honestly say this is one reason she is glad she married a Western man and moved to the West. Olga Salem GoEastNow Europeen Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/8/2006 2:20:45 PM   Olga, Peronnaly, I thank you for all what you said and explained ... I know I don't post much, but I do read as much as I can ... Greetings ... Philly Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/9/2006 9:49:24 PM   Olgas: Very interesting opinions. Thank you for them. Perhaps I chose my words indelicately. The Ukrainian women I met never used the term "worthless". Rather, they said their men are not faithful, are not interested in raising children, and expect the woman to do most of the work in the relationship (cooking, cleaning, raising the children, earning a living, and still looking fantastic). The women I spoke with profess to resent this attitude by their men. Comments? olgas Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/11/2006 12:11:28 PM   Hi Philly, No worry about delicate. Again although these things are true about Russian men in general RW are willing to accept this as long as they stay in their own culture. In fact they don't see anything wrong with it. That is the way of life in FSU and has been the way of life for a very long time. I guess you could say it is the cultural and social norm. How can somebody resent a norm? For all they know Western men are worse ;-) They just say this to help you both rationalize why you are thinking about marrying out of your respective cultures/countries. RW say this about RM the same way all the American men say American women are so terrible, so liberated, so fat, etc. I have been living in America for 7 years now and can tell you that is not true. There are a lot of nice good-looking American women. I am lucky Doug did not marry one of them ;-) I think the real truth is that American guys who go to FSU for wives can not dates with (or marry) the kind of American women they wish to have, that's all. Just like the real truth for RW is that they are doing it to leave such a bad economy. When people are about to do something so crazy and different as marry a foreigner - "mail order bride/mail order husband" they have to make reasons to alleve a concious. It is only human. Many RW who come to the U.S. to marry American men but it doesn't work out end up with Russian men but still living in the U.S. (in Russian immigrant communities.) I guess you could say Russian men suddenly not so bad for these women in shade of a different economy? And although Russian culture is very strong Russian men living in U.S. do act differently than those in FSU. Could it be better economy makes everybody behave better? ;-) Olga Philly Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/13/2006 6:43:56 PM   Olga, Much of what you say makes sense. I do believe, however, that American women have it better than most any other women in the world. They are certainly treated better than European women, and way better than most any third world women. Not to say it is perfect for them here, but relatively speaking American men treat them quite well in general. Not that every American man is Prince Charming... :) Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Are they Russian women?
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