Olga, very good post, I thank you for being so polite yet bringing a very good point to the table, I agree with your point of view and i thinking there is so much truth in what you said, i cannot stand to argue a single word you said...
Although I agree with what you said, I dont understand one part though... I am not a older man (no offense to men older than me - In fact I respect older men for their age and wisdom) I am 27, and oh she is no a young girl either in fact she is 30 so here is the first contradiction to the Norms, yes I the male is younger than the Russian female and we didnt meet with the intent of a relationship - meaning " I wasnt looking for a Bride - I was 25 and a student when i first met her" so marraige was probably the last thing on my mind, so technically i dont fall into the normal category of a where a RW is meeting a WM with Marraige in their minds, and it was a very typical relationship - met, talk, fall in love and go crazy with love and then the craziness settles down and reality sets in.... so technically my case is a little different, and oh I am not a Western Man either, I am Indian :) I work on a Visa so she is going to get nothing - No green card :) the basis for this relationship is much simpler that what you explained ... and I was a student with a $30K loan on my shoulders when i met her, so when we fell in love - I had no money either .. that goes out the window too.... so the basis for my relationship as I beleive is simple attraction and affection... Having said all this, I am not sure why my relationship and the day to day experiences are similar to other here who may have a different angle to their relationship ....
Once again you had a amazing point, very true point, but the decision that the Russian woman made is not good, she has every right to make decisions about her life, but while making decisions that also involve another persons life (a Western Man) she should be more careful , cause she could end up hurting someone innocent and sincere. But I guess we all make mistakes :)
I make mistakes too, so i am not going to justify my point above, all in all very good point Olga,
Tell me Olga, Why do you think some of these women ( I dont want to use the word Russian Woman - maybe thats too much Generalization) feel angry when someone corrects their english, or even better, why do you think my Lady feels this way .. cause I dont think she loves me for money or green cards or citizenships ... , If what she said was true - she loves me more than anything, which is just a common line between partners , but the point is there is regular normal day to day male / female attaction between me and her ...
what are your thoughts ... Is it coincidental that i face the same behavior as other here or is it otherwise ....
I am so glad we have a woman in this forums...
Thank Yo Olga, you help us understand better, so we owe you as a friend ...
- Sashi
Hard to do aussieman, when the woman may play along until she has her foot firmly in the door. THEN when you throw her out, she'll be taking the house, the car, the kids and your mother's ashes from the mantlepiece, with her.
Taking one's time and getting to know someone, warts and all, reduces the risks.
I can't agree MIKE00 with spoiling your girl at the initial stages of a relationship. You set the bar high, then have to maintain it and you will never know whether she loves you for the thick wad around your waist or the thick wad in you wallet.
If the relationship is CLEARLY one of 'I will love you' for a mere $200 per month, then at least you know the ground rules. Where it gets messy is when she leaves for economic reasons, hoping she may fall in love with you but realising that she can't tolerate your farting in bed any longer and is no longer satisfied with your job as a rat catcher and runs off with a younger guy with more money. Let's face it, if you find her irresistable, then every jock in the neighbourhood is going to be the same. Only strategy is to get her pregnant fast. However, she may have the same idea but for alterior motives. Unlike many of the men who seek brides, these ladies are not stupid.
Met many women when I was in Russia and felt, just as I do now, in Thailand, that I would feel far more secure, living in the same country as the lady. Unless you are absolutely sure about your feelings for each other I would tread with extreme caution and not fall into the trap of confusing love with infatuation.
There are 2 possible reasons why your girl gets upset when you correct her english. It maybe that she knows that english is not your first language so who are you to critize her. Second one is she is just the type of person that can not take constructive critism.
The good thing about your relationship with this lady is that you have not committed to get married yet. So you have all the time in the world to get to know her better. Take you time.
JC,
yeah I didnt think about the first one, Yup I am Indian, English is not my first Langauage so thats a good point, But the constructive Criticism part is what i think it is, She is Pretty Darn Intellegent - no doubt, We had many fights and I know a lot of it has to do with the fact that its 3 years and nothing has happened (I mean we are still not married), I have never met her in her own home town, its always been in Hungary or Bulgaria and so forth.... This will be my first visit to Moldova, I will be doing the "Meet the Parents Drill" :) Her mom likes me a lot considering the flowers that i have flooded to her door step in these 3 years :)
But the point is what is an FSU Woman's point of view on simple things in life, what does she think about contructive Criticism ? how does she feel about say for example - In buying a house, Finance ... I wish Olga came back and enlightened me , maybe just talked about stuff ... it would be beneficial to all of us guys here ....
Helps build a much better relationship with an FSU woman , even better helps make the right decisions....
sashi mate tread carefull critisism is to them whats not to us - russian girls think laterally what you say to them can be easily construed as insult .
you dont mean it mate -but they see things different -
to them if they have mastered 45% of english they pretty proud about it !
if we come along sit there correcting 6 of every ten words they speak in english well you just burst her bubble ! any achievment by them of our ways is seen by them as ''you beauty look what ive done ''
Tell you another thing i learnt very much the hard way ------i can't joke with em they sit an analyse it ---really gets up my nose mines blond like golden blonde tell her all the dumb blonde jokes jeses after 20 minutes shes foaming at the mouth .
i gave that idea away real quick .
still in my time in russia / going thier / living thier at times hell 9 months 1 time i still even though i dont think iam dumb --at times i cant workout where they coming from in expectations / where they heading to as well .
ive learnt one major thing -----------you never promise to them what you cant deliver and iam a firm believer that that entails everything from putting the garbage out to any promise goods / travel / anything in life -------i dont tell my girl ohh maybe this and that ------its all yes / or no ----you cant get in trouble that way .
A guy asked me last night said hey what do you think is the worst trait of russian girl ----well i didnt have to think for two long -worst trait --is in my view they still seem to have ole school friends whom are male --funnilly enough single i think they are certainly over friendly in this respect .( thats got to go )
To an aussie for his girl to have hmm ok maybe harmless single men in the old phonebook maybe she only rings them on chritmas day but still to my race this is totally unexeptable
i wont tollerate it i made her exit any old contact of single male , nomatter how far back in time or how harmless .
to me a girl whom is with a man full time is with her man full stop no compromises !! ( ok i said id never marry but iam engaged ) to have any contact of any single man is total deciet if you are in relations i find that they find this hard to fathom.( why i dont know )
I live by western culture my ole school mates like most aussies we all lost contact 20 years ago.
who needs em !!!!
My girl wants to be with westerner ok --iam paying the frieght doing all the holidays for us planes etc $10000000"S $$$
so our reward must be absolute loyalty absolute to the point of absolutely sincere .
nothing less will do .
fair enough yes i think so !
I told mine 2 years back the ole numbers in the bin --old contacts sorry my love your with me you are brand new from this day onwards -------she seen the situation she adheared to it at once . good that shows me total loyalty and ive not had any real worries with her.
Make sure mate you have a girl like mine lives and dies for you --ive seen lot of good matches -ive seen lotu blokes go down the drain to with em --reasons are many but not understanding them is a major one .
Give em space - give em time --dont go all suspitious as i did years ago -i trust mine with my life but i think iam very very fortunate in the respect that i have a girl whom will not let a day pass thats she does not ring me / me to her -i doubt too many have such relations with thier sweethearts .
maybe 5 in 100 if that and iam think iam being generous in those figures .
Dont try to hard to work em out you'l end up in nut house -just go with the flow sure be times you hit your head agaist wall and say f------k sake she dont understand !! mate its a whole different culture great girls get sick mate over there and they virtually build a hospital around you at home --mine did would not even go to work until i was ok again .
Hey Mike,
I have read some of you posts in other threads, I respect your opinion. I agree with you in that, I will end up in a Nut House if i bother trying to dig deep into the minds of FSU women! I guess the choice is tough and I got to make one soon and its got to be well thought... I will keep in mind all things said here in these forums... But in the end I have to wakt the line myself :)
yes the ''ga ga'' farm is only 6 inches from a russian girls brain tread oh so carefully forget trying to understand em mate just smile and buy an ice cream tell her its a lovely day
mike00
Iam still trying to find sashi a guy for my girls girlfriend jese iam having grief finding a bloke with a dollar just ready to go jump on a plane and be with a heart felt georgous woman of 21 - can't seem to find anybody locally in aussie.
ALL seem to be morgage slaves with no bux ! not ready to jet set it on a plane 4/5 times a year and spoil thier lovely ( iam surrounded by bums !)
Its a lonely life at the top nobody to play with !!!!
I dont know what to do - ive got one going begging ! for a guy and garrantee she is 1000% correct in all ways yet i can't find her a dapper guy to appear at the door -who's not impoverished !!or a tactless dill ! thinking with 'dick !!!
Am i missing something hear ?? IVE made her a promise of don't worry kate il fetch you a dapper don after tea time ! so to speak .
He has to be 30 odd - quiet-- not meathead hmm that eliminates 70% of my locals hear !
he has to have a ''quid '' for the candel light dinners hmm that eliminates another 15% of the population -------help me hear --- iam down to dirty old men in thier 60's
can anybody help ? iam all out of stock !!!
lol
mike 00
Actually I have the same contradiction between wanting to love and loving which explains my argumentativeness that I started with my girlfriend last night.
I thought it was because my girlfriend and I are having a secret office relationship which (if found out) would be detrimental to both of us. I realsised today though that it seems to be a plague with me at the moment: Plenty girls love me but I find it difficult to love them (especially if they love me). 15 women tis year (and I have been faitful to my girlfriend for a few months now). So I guess it means I need to continue working on my inner child. Anyhow it shows that not only women from FSU have same dilmena
Generally, women don't to be told that they were wrong ...
silly example : if a woman says that the color is black and in reality it is dark navy blue.
Dont say "No it's not black but dark navy blue" ... but say fomething like "It seems to me that it is more like dark navy blue" ... she won't to be pointed as if she had done a horrible mistake
So if se does some grammar mistakes ... don't say it immediately ... she will thig that you are observing her in everything she does and she won't be comfortable ... women can usually be dependent on men, but they still want to feel that they are free in their acts (ofcourse without exceeding the limits)
I just realized that I amde some horrible mistakes and even some words not understandable
So I'll write it again (unless tha admiistrator judge that it is not necessary to post this text ...
I think I'll have to give my point of view ...
Generally, women don't like to be told that they were wrong ...
silly example : if a woman says that the color is black and in reality it is dark navy blue.
Dont say "No it's not black but dark navy blue" ... but say something like "It seems to me that it is more like dark navy blue" ... she won't feel being pointed as if she had done a horrible mistake
So if se does some grammar mistakes ... don't say it immediately ... she will think that you are observing her in everything she does and she won't be comfortable ... women can usually be dependent on men, but they still want to feel that they are free in their acts (ofcourse without exceeding the limits)
HEy Europeen,
I dont think anyone cares about typos and mistakes.. Including Philly, i guess we just like pulling each other legs... :) But I think I got the point pretty clear...Well I do understand what you said, and trust me I would have to be driven to madness before I start to complaint directly to my Lady. So I am careful in picking my words... But beleive me when i say this... sometimes it makes no sense at all :)
The only problem with such situations is while dealing with FSU women, if we start argueing about something and both are in the middle of a heated arguement and then I say something in English and she misunderstands it to be something completely opposite... yup thats when the real problem starts... cause first i try to explain calmly that what i meant was different... and after a certain point I look like a Jack Ass who has no knowledge of English and in her Eyes i will be like "Uh Um Me no understand Englishe ??!! " Umm Me No Speak Englishe..Englishe" Nyet Nyet ..:) hehee Well thats when I tend to silently sit down and tell myself .. Holy Crap - Ive got a FSU women trying to teach me English :) I have at many times laughed like crazy cause she tells me " Oye .. I know what you say, and You say for to me specially.. My English Good and You try make bad out of me !" when I hear something like that when she is yelling it really cracks me up .. its funny when someone tells you that they are good in English and make 10 mistakes while telling you that they are Good :)))
Its like saying "Me English Gooood.., Me Russian Baaad" I actually have to say this - In way its very funny ... I love how Russians speak English ... Its actually Cute :) .. I think the way they speak can be very cute, but can get me to break my head sometimes too...:)
Quote -"All the time I hear guys say "RW are so temperamental" "One minute she is telling me how much she loves me, acting affectionate, etc. Next minute she is very rude and mean. "
Olgas Certainly you are correct here about fsu woman temperement but then i do seem to remember from some one else here that it is some sort of test to provoke an arguement with the man and if the man does not stand up to her-ie argue back - she will look elsewhere
I look back and I wish my ex-wife was temperamental, Unfortunately, she was just mental.
I believe that is why I'm searching for the next misses in the FSU. I can deal with temperamental, hell, maybe she's saying she cares enough to be pissed, it's when they get all quiet on you that scares the hell out of me. Like the quiet before the storm, Except with a women you can't look up to the sky and see which way it's coming.. Scary stuff.