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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Seen this girl that I really like.. Author Post wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2003 4:03:58 PM   It all started when someone asked a legitimate question which was not approved by codered. Codered decided to jump in and say "your sick, you need help, etc.". 50c is a European, I assume a Cypriot. People in that part of the world don't tend to ignore insults, they tend to answer back. He used an extreme way to respond "I'll take your life away", which was not appropriate by any means. It would have all been avoided if a legitimate question had been answered: "Yes we can help you it will cost X dollars" or "no your inquiry is outside the scope of this dating site we cannot help you". The pursuit of happiness is a constitutional right in this country as long as it does not violate the rights of others. Happiness means different things to different people. 50c's inquiry should not have been offensive to anyone, he simply asked a question and as a new member he did not know the etiquette (customer service, etc.). The follow up question "I will give you $1,000 to find me a girl, etc." might have had a tad of arrogance, but this might be his style. Don't judge others if you don't want to be judged. The kind of service that he was asking for is the exact kind of service that sites like dating-ru would love to offer, i.e. personalized services. $1K, $2K (whatever the amount) in a one-shot deal sounds a lot better than $10, $20 every other week. It is amazing how this ended up becoming a big problem. Olga may choose to delete parts of this string of emails, however, the original question should not be deleted because it was a legitimate question and frankly I don't think it has been answered, yet. CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2003 6:34:23 PM   Nope it started when the legit question turned to a proposition. Plus the question turn to a request for services that could have been answered if he just picked up the phone and called the administrators like any normal person would have. Or emailed the request for services like any normal person would have. Or better yet became a member and then picked the woman he liked and started the services like the site is set up for. His question has been answered more than once in this forum. Your right the legitimate question should not be deleted. It turned into a problem when he got arrogant. This site and service would be glad to accommodate his needs. However, I don’t think that they would accommodate his needs as the way he was asking. Even Olga stated that they would not, that they disregard people that contact them looking for an escort or just a good time as he very bluntly implied. Its not that he has to pass my approval. But I have the right to participate on this forum. I don’t subject to name-calling and threaten peoples lives has he has done. I respect your right to post. I have seen you many times post good comments. I think you have the right to disagree with me and I have the right to disagree with you. Now that American since you like to bring that up! The legitimate question was fine. If you can follow the process you will see that when he got arrogant that’s when I responded. Your. I did not see you respond at all till you saw and opportunity to come after me as you normally do. I did not see you attempt to answer the question until after he got out of hand. I am so glad that you are an expert of the people of the world. I am so glad that you know so well the psychology of the Cypriot People. The follow up question had more to it than "I will give you $1,000 to find me a girl" Try " I tell you what. You find me the girl that I like, guaranteed is lots of fun, and partying”. And if you can read Olga answered his original legitimate question with " I think nobody would like to talk to strangers that call them, so you better write her a message first, introduce yourself and see if she is interested." But he decided to get lazy and place on order for a girl on the forum. And it was written as an order "I tell you what" Its funny how you make comments leave out the details. No judgment was passed. Except by yours and Fifty Cent’s name-calling. Oh, remind me what is said about when you assume? You bring up constitutional rights and then on the other side of your face you tell someone they are from Mississippi (classifying The people of Mississippi) then you attack a person because you don’t agree with their thoughts. (And you called that Un-American) You revert to extreme name-calling. I wonder to what degree you have defended the Constitution. I have received 3rd degree burns from fighting for you right to the freedoms you so readily use and subvert here. I have fought in combat and have suffered extreme conditions for you to throw around the word Un-American. I would like to know what you have done to defend the rights you use. "The taste of freedom has a flavor the protected will never know". I respect your rights to speech here and I am man enough to make an apology when I am wrong. I don’t keep an argument to save face like what you are doing here while twisting facts to suit your needs. Again I make an apology to anyone offended by my comments. However I stand by the simple fact that the woman here are not here for "Fun and Games" for you "Pleasure" or for you to "order up" at your whim. I also respect this service that this site offers. And yes wtrav02 I respect you comments. The ones you make without you blain tent insults and name-calling. I was wrong for saying your sick to Fifty Cent. I stand corrected. I should have said "your comment and posting is arrogant and with out etiquette!" Good luck to all. CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2003 9:13:41 PM   "Personalized services. $1K, $2K (whatever the amount) in a one-shot deal sounds a lot better than $10, $20 every other week." Why don’t you express exactly what "personalized services" it is your talking about, Escort? Fun and Games?, Or a legitimate attempt to form a lasting relationship?. What kind of one-shot deal do you want? You pay me $1K, $2K (whatever the amount) and order up the girl. I find the girl and send her to meet you at your designated location. i.e. the Mediterranean islands. Forget the introduction part, the letters part, the getting to know you part. (If she knew you she may not come). Or send her to your house in Cyprus for free holidays, feed her, entertain her, and, if(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) she likes, she can sleep with you. What do you call this scenario? Do you really think this company (Corporate office in America) would be in business very long following scenarios like this? This is not www.Pleasure.order_up.com Plus what’s with the online threats on life? But really, what’s the lewd, lascivious song posted (and you think his intentions were honorable?). He went down hill and you let him take you down with him. You’re defending him with constitutional rights of the United States and he lives in Cyprus? Cyprus has many Russian visitors and he meets some party girls there from Russia over this summer. They left for home and now he is all-alone. So now he comes to this site thinking he can order up a few more. Wow! And you support this? Plus you wont even give it its proper name. You claim to be a man of the world and you did not even see through this simple scenario he was trying to implement. I will end this now. I know Olga will be in soon and will be cleaning all this up. Good luck to all. I hope you all find a Lasting, Honest, Caring, and Woman here that you are willing to work with to build a Relationship here with. It is possible and it does happen. Just takes a little honest effort. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2003 10:09:31 PM   Codered, first of all I respect all you say you have done for our country and take off my hat to you. However, with all due respect, I don't think you understand. It is the right of the customer to request whatever they want and it is the right of the seller to refuse to sell. I don't understand why it bothers you so much that someone is simply looking for some fun instead of marriage. He seems pretty straightforward to me. He said from the beginning what he wants, he didn't pretend he was going for the marriage to get the girl to Cyprus, sleep with her and then kick her out. He seemed upfront to me. Again, it's a matter of style and culture how we say and do things. The song indeed showed immaturity and was completely out of context. The threats were inappropriate, a bad joke, but you should rather laugh. It is almost impossible even for a very skilled hacker to find a person's data from his email address. You've got to understand that RUW is perceived differently in Europe than in America. The glut of hookers, strippers, barwomen from Russia (and other eastern European countries) to Europe is out of control. As a result, many people in Europe who have not been to Russia think that all Russian girls are basically for fun, they're good looking, easy, permissive and they will do anything to have fun and earn some money. Also, don't forget that Europe has borders with Russia and most European cities are 2-3 flight time from Moscow or Kiev. So, for a European it's a lot easier to have a girlfriend or girlfriends in Russia and visit 2-3 times a month. They don't have to enter a relationship for the outright purpose to get married. On the other hand, we have to deal with huge distance barrier (12+ hours flight time) and a government that intentionally makes it difficult to bring a fiancee to this country and once the fiancee is here we are forced to marry her within 3 months. For these reasons, Americans typically are looking for a Russian girl to get married. This may not necessarily be the case for many Europeans for the reasons that I mentioned above. I have come across postings of European men who are simply looking for a travel companion, vacation partner, etc., someone with common interests for some good time. Frankly, if you go to American dating sites, you will find many American women who make it very clear they are not looking for life partner but instead are looking for just a good time, some romance with no commitment, etc. Some women even say "I'm going to the Bahamas next month and am looking for a travel companion for that trip, anyone's interested?". This doesn't mean this woman wants to pay a man to join her to the Bahamas. Are all these people to be condemned?? wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/22/2003 10:18:59 PM   Seems like Cyprus has become the South Florida of Russia ... something like a Russian spring break paradise. CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/23/2003 12:51:41 AM   All I can say is I Disagree with your views on Russian woman. you see one side and group them all into it. I tend to think I see a little bit further that that. But I respect you views. They are just not mine. FiftyCent Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2003 2:34:35 PM   CodeRed, you still insist on your naive thoughts, even though you apologised for your mistake(which I think is correct). I understand your deep feelings about the russian nation, but at the end of the day, they are russians and we are europeans or americans. Yes, I have had two Russian girlfriends, NONE of them were bargirls or anything like that. BUT, at the end of the day they are all women, and my view is, that, if you let them step on you, they will run you over. Stop being a wimp man, grow up. Whats so wrong about wanting to write letters and stuff to the girls? An email or two is not good enough? do I have to write her a letter? What, i have to send it with a peageon as well? Come on ppl, you are supposed to be americans, (i think). whats wrong with dating? Why someone has to jump straight into a marriage situation, that was based on pen-pal letter exchange? Where is the get - to know the person? What if the person who may want to marry you has other motives for doing that? How can you tell if you dont know the person? All i am saying is that a failure marriage is much owrse than a no-marriage situation. And what;s so wrong with having FUN??? norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2003 2:57:32 PM   Wow, amazing what you americans get up to in your spare time. Looking at it from a european point of view, CodeRed has found a russian he loves enough to committ to and doesn't like the idea that 50 cent & co might have f**ked someone a bit like her, and even got a little close mentally. 50 cent & co feel pleased because picking up and dumping woman makes them feel stong. Russian woman are a lot smarter than some american men. They live loose when they want to, and when the oppurtunity comes they go for the real thing. Live with it. F88king is cute but so what, and making and dumping a friend shows nothing about your manhood. Want to be men? Read Kipling's "IF" I realise that 50cent thinks he's european, but he sucks on to american culture FiftyCent Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2003 5:33:37 PM   You know, Norway, sometimes i think some people are so naive that they believe whatever people tell them. And there is another group that takes anything that its said, and analyses it so much, until he reaches to totally unrelated with the subject conclusions. Like you, for example, you think that by reading too much sociology and psychology, you will solve all the so-mysterious really unexplained events in the world. I dont understand the "CO" you glued next my name as well. I really dont want to get into an argument again. I just think that everyone have choices in their lives...choices to do what they want to do, as long as they sincere from the start, they dont affect others peoples lives and well-being, and they dont violate any laws. Marriage is an event in life, something that must not taken so lightly. That is the reason that we see so many divorces, fights violence in the family, and broken homes. Because people tend to take this matter LIGHTLY. And things become worse when a kid comes in the way. Now, if you people, tell me that it is mature to marry a girl from the former USSR, or anywhere else, that I talked to with a letter or two,and we have couple things in commmon, well, I am sorry, but you are the immature ones. And this marriage is destined to end up in disaster, by my view. On the other hand, if you go out for at lest 3 months with a girl, see ehr every day, etc,. I st think that it is not enough time to show her real self. But that is just me. If you have different opinion, well, then just say it, but support it. Last, i dont "Think" i am european, but I am, unlike you Norway, who likes to suck onto the socialist model of thinking, questionning and analysing everything, to the point where it all becomes same. And finally, what's so wrong about the American culture? norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2003 5:05:01 AM   Hi Cyprus, now you are beginning to communicate like a European - do you see what I mean? What is wrong with American culture is not the point. It's not yours. I don't like complicating things. Live loose, live free, find love your way, but don't hang on to this "being stong, being a man" garbage. Nothing manly about making and losing a friend. No big deal about getting f**ked. If you want to be a man, you must be able to develope and grow, be able to critise yourself - can I balance passion and compassion - my desires and those of others. Compassion is a deep passion for others than yourself. FiftyCent Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2003 1:01:24 PM   Yes yes Norway, me speak europe. I asked a few questions though to you, that have not yet been answered... 1. By your view, is the pen pal situation a good way to find a wife and get married? If yes, how long is your ideal time of getting to know the girl, and what does it take to form a strong relationship that will last forever? 2. Do you think that "European" way of thinking is better than the American way of thinking? Can you honestly distinguish between the two? 3. Do you think that strong Socialism/communism finds support in other places of the earth, besides Norway, China, and Russia? Do you think that Europe should be ruled by such a system? Fifty_Cent norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2003 3:22:01 PM   Easy peasy, 1. Can be. Depends. Passion and compassion and the ability to balance them. 2. You are asking me to draw a line between cultural elements that mostly overlap. This really isn't the forum 3. Cuba. ( Norway however is very democratic. Very much like Canada, scored top along with Canada according to a UN human rights and life standard and quality of life study) I'll let the UN answer the last half of that question. 4. If you want to get at me I'm half english half dutch, I just live in Norway. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/30/2003 12:12:47 AM   After all these strings of emails, not only the original queation wasn't answered, but completely wrong information was given to this guy from Cyprus. Olga said: "none likes calls from strangers". WRONG!!! Friday I saw accidentally the most amazingly beautiful girl from all RUW profiles that I have ever seen on the net the last twelve months and I have seen thousands. An absolute 21-yr model of top quality. 50c: you guys are nuts about Adriana Sklenarikova, that SlovaK model who got married to thE French soccer player, I know my French friends have. Wait till you see that girl. Anyway, I am on a short business trip to Europe next week and was planning to continue on from FRA to Ukraine. But, I could not take that girl out of my mind. So, Saturday I emailed to the agency and requested to speak to her on the phone. Within two hours they had her on the phone. Long story short, she gave me her email (to send my pics) cell and home phone numbers. I sent letter and pics same day. She replied today. I have a date next Friday. I know how I am spending my 4th of July weekend. My point to 50c is: pick up the phone and call her, be a man, don't buy her, talk to her with confidence and if she likes your pics she will invite you or maybe you can pay her ticket and she comes to you. Olga: you are wrong!!! What is surprising is that when I first spoke to the translator (from one of the top sites), I was a bit reserved because of your "advice" (cold call, no letters before calling), but I thought what the heck ... I asked the translator if that would be appropriate to tell the girl I was planning to see her in a few days without prior correspondence. She said "of course it's fine, just send her a letter after the call with your pics and see her reaction". Similar advice I got from other sites in the past for similar issues. I don't undestand why you poeple are such prudes on this site. One thing I agree with "norway" is that "Russian girls live loose", they are not pretentious like American girls and cease the opportunity when they see it. Bottom line, answer to 50c question: PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THE GIRL YOU LIKE USING ONE OF THESE TRANSLATION SERVICES. DON'T WAIT FOR LETTERS AND ALL THAT CRAP. YOU WILL SEDN HER LETTERS LATER. IT WILL COST YOU $100-150 (NOT $1000) AND YOU WILL BE A MAN IN THE EYES OF THE GIRL BECAUSE YOU HAD THE NERV TO CALL HER AND YOU WILL LOOK LIKE YOU REALLY WANT THIS WOMAN AND KNOW HOW TO GET HER. LIKE YOU SAID, RUSSIAN WOMEN LIKE REAL MEN. IF YOU HAVE OLGA GET YOU A WOMAN, YOU WILL LOOK LIKE A SISSY. WHEN YOU GO TO THE BAR TO PICK UP CHICKS, DO YOU SAY TO YOUR FRIEND "I'LL GIVE YOU $10 TO GO GET ME THIS GIRL, IF SHE COMES HERE YOU HAVE THE MONEY"? GOOD LUCK (TRULY I MEAN IT!) FiftyCent Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/30/2003 8:36:57 AM   Wow, looks like the macho guys in this forum are becoming more and more...You guys are taking some lessons from me I see.... Yo wtrav02 man, if I wanna get a girl, a knaw how to do it da 50Cent way, knaw what am saying?? this question was just a test for this site, to see how it works, if it is for real or not... Its good to know that you have a date with a model... So, its correct that you have called her... I wouldnt be bothered with emails or letters as well....not my style or way of thinking dude. See tha song I am writing abave, dats my way. 50Cent CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/30/2003 1:31:09 PM   You both should live a happy life. norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/2/2003 5:42:20 AM   I agree that calling a girl right out after one letter is a good idea. I think what Olga was saying that it's only fair that she knows as much about you as you know about her, what you look like, you're age, and something about you're background. I myself would not like to get a call from a RW I didn't know anything about. Could always talk a little but what if she was 80years old with no teeth. It's also cowardly to not give a girl a picture of yourself. But yes, it is definately cowardly to avoid the telephone pretty early on if you have the opportunity. Letter writing doesn't have body-language, and a telephone has some. I have to agree with 50 cent that the best is to meet in person early on. Have dated at home on the net and always make sure I meet the girl a.s.a.p. The problem with RW is that that is impractical. So you have to do a lot more sorting and match-making comparisons remotely, before you meet in person. Question is are you the man to be able to give yourself remotely. You certainly are no man because you make and break friendships witha girl. Nothing wrong with that, it just has nothing for or against manhood. No connection to manhood whatsoever. Girls and children make and break friendships. That charge on manhood from 50-cent is all what I reacted to. norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/2/2003 5:56:03 AM   Just for the record. I said Russian women live loose WHEN THEY WANT TO. That doesn't mean that I believe a majority of them will want to. Rather I think that a majority of them will be looking for the real thing and grab it as soon as they are sure. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/2/2003 9:08:52 AM   Codered, rest assured I will live well. TWINS, it cannot get much better than this. FiftyCent Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/2/2003 12:51:24 PM   TWINS????What...? Yo man, ,you sdomething else....Yo give us details details broooooooo.....what is this..... Norway, you re confused man, go out some more...buy yourself a beer....a porno magazine.....yes, those are... WOMEN! norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/2/2003 1:52:44 PM   Porno magazines: 50c, my policy is not to take work home with me. Russian brides > Main Forum > Seen this girl that I really like..
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