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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Some don't have a clue ..... Author Post vivalasvegas Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2007 9:42:12 AM   More assuptions from a small mind... you really cannot argue the issues so u generalize my words, accuse me of doing the same thing so you can dismiss me. So i say to you all again. THERE ARE GOOD MARRIGE MINDED WOMEN IN THE FSU. You just will not find too many of them on a site like this. The topic of this thread sums things up nicely. There is a GREATER percentage of marrige minded women in other places of the world. Martin, you shoud know better then most. After years of trying, where is your success? Despite your "john wayne" attitude you show on this forum, i bet you probably are not a bad guy. It isnt you Martin... it is the location in which you search. Why encourage others to a search that you yourself have found fruitless?? You have been at this for a long long time now martin. At least I/O has earned his right to weild the "clue bat" by catching his prize. Why shoud any of us give you any credibility?? What has your 6 trips to the FSU gotten you besides a trip to bankruptcy court?? I work with plenty of russians and moldovan girls. They laugh heartily at the thought of sites like this. You will not hear an asain girl speak of the agencies of her country in this fashion. kingarthur Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2007 10:01:22 AM   vivalasvegas, "FSU girls are just not interested in us for any reason other then using us for whatever suits their purposes at the moment." sounds pretty much as a crude generalization. Anyway, you clarified this point. About the quality of the girls with a profile in fiance.com, my experience - not so little experience anymore - suggests to me that, roughly, 50% are serious, and 50% are not that serious or not serious at all. About the women's forum, I think it's a distillation of the worst women of fiance.com, and possibly also of women who have nothing to do with fiance.com vivalasvegas Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2007 10:21:08 AM   kingaurther, perhaps you still see it as a crude generalization because you still see 50% of these girls as real. As your experience grows you will learn the number is much smaller. I still say less then 10%. You do bring up a good point though. If a good marrige minded FSU woman is considering using a site like this and sees what is written in the forum there. What reaction do you think she will have? Will she take a site like this seroiusly? Especially after hearing the comments of her "sisters' on what poor fat slobs we are. i really think you are fooling yourself if you think such comments on the ladies side are the worst the FSU has to offer..... this is more likely way the average FSU girl sees us. kingarthur Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2007 10:35:57 AM   harantis, looks like I've been lucky till now. My estimate is derived from the ratio of good girls I met divided by the overall number of girls I met, or should have met and did not show up. Most fiance.com girls do not use the Internet, they just go to their agency. I totally agree with you on one point. If they saw what the women write in the women's forum, they would probably not take this site seriously. In short, I am still persuaded that the women's forum (as is now) is indecent and can only be detrimental to both serious men and serios women of this site. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2007 10:37:31 AM   Thank you kingarthur :) viva, Perhaps only 10% of the ladies are 'real' but that's twice the percentage of western men that are 'real' thus Eastern ladies, by percentages, are twice as 'real' as western men. kingarthur Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2007 10:40:13 AM   It was a reply to vivalasvegas, of course :-) vivalasvegas Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2007 12:02:17 PM   Thanks for the assist martin!!! (see you are a gentleman!!) if only 5% of the guys are real and 10% of the girls are real, what does that say about this whole system?? I was lucky that i did not have any "no shows" every girl i wrote to, i met. Needless to say, i think of all the girls i met face to face, only one was really interested in finding a life mate. For the most part this is a curiosity thing and a chance for a few free drinks and a good laugh with the girls later. Kingaurthur, perhaps you were lucky too, to meet so many serious minded women. Now i ask you, if you met a half dozen good marrige minded girls, what were the results ? Certainly you were interested in at least one of them ? Was any of them interested in you?? beanstobe Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2007 2:32:07 PM   Vivalasvegas Sure the girl in many countries, like the UK, US etc, are not compatible with finding a life partner. Sure they are using us! Isn't that why we men love them? Why else would you have visited FSU, as you say, if it wasn't to seek for that? Isn't that what we, men, all do? My first day in my new contract today with the Minitry of Public Finance in Romania: All directors are women. It was the same in Jamaica, with the Jamaica Social Investment Fund 18 month ago. All consultants in our team are (like on all other I have been on) 50+ year old, save for me - still in my late 30's. Younger women in power, in developing countries, still govern what older men, in western cultures, do - isn't that similar to what CNN, and BBC World, have been reporting officially the past few days? Think carefully about the statistic that has been shown and what it means to who you are. Martin, yes, in my humble experience of several continents, all women in the world are alike, they all want a good man - meaning good in bed (size & use of it) who is centred on her alone (and not on an image, ex or illusion) and who is faithful to her and they all want to be treated, as they deserve, as the only hot and horny girl for her faithful man - and this is so that he, the man, can give her the chance of a lifetime, to reach something more profound! Indeed, the more we accept women are alike in the world, the better the place will be. Thats why its great that their i a women's side to thi site. ANyway time to go out for a drink. kingarthur Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2007 2:58:37 PM   Viva, I already wrote in this forum that, yes, last month I met a lovely, serious, honest, intelligent, attractive girl in Ukraine. We are going to meet again, for sure. She definitely sounds interested in me. Of course, only time will tell :-) danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/9/2007 5:35:06 PM   Viva, Although you asked the question, regarding marriage minded ladies, of kingarthur perhaps you may allow me to respond also. Over some 5.5 years I travelled to meet I cannot recall how many ladies, I would have to sit down and recall but let us say it was 15. Of these 15 there was only one whereas I would guestimate that she was not looking for a long term relationshp, only the gifts etc, but all the others were looking. But why were they looking? That is the question and that is why a guy is so foolish if he believes he is going to meet 'Miss Perfect' on the first outing, as if he married the first girl he kissed during his schooldays. To be human is to be different, we are all different and that is why it takes time and patience to find the partner that is suited to one. You question kingarthur regarding finding one lady in six but a lifetime partner should not be considered a race, again I say it takes time and patience. Of the 15 (ish) I met with two of them spring immediately to mind whereas any relationship dissolved because I would not propose to them during our first time together, others were obviously writing to multiple guys and were merely window shopping before deciding and some we just didn't hit it off with each other but in 5.5 years I never had a no-show despite once or twice wishing they had no-showed :) I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2007 12:12:38 AM   Vivalasvegas: I see you have sobered up a little this time around and at least you have clarified your 10% target, that is you seem to be saying 10% of the women on this site are real. I wouldn't argue with that, because I don't know. What I do know is that the very vast majority of women, I would say greater than 95% or single women in Russia and to a large extent in other FSU states are seriously marriage minded. Whether or not they are suitable material for a particular man is a very nother question. Where most seem to run into trouble is they can't distinguish between the model photos posted by scammer groups and the real ones. Then they come in sucker for the youth content. Many Russian girls marry young, very young, but be realistic, a 19-22 y/o is only just finding her feet in the real world and is more likely to be on an MOB site as a curiosity exercise. But, if the western guys look at a logical target range, and face it, most of us who have done or are doing this, are or were not 25 when we started, more likely +35 or more. These guys come in for the youth thing and then wonder why they find someone not serious. They're idiots and will never "Get It". Target women in the age groups, or perhaps very slightly younger than you would at home and you'll find a great amount of very serious marriage minded women. I note from your previous posts (Other threads) you seem to want the 20 or thereabouts young hottie. Well in that case if you are any more than early 30's, you'll get toasted in the FSU in about 5 minutes. But just remember the same thing will happen with women from other countries, such as Asia or L/A once they are old enough to have formed their own opinions and learn to think for themselves. Think about it. Beanstobe: Your comment that all women are alike is horseshit. Living with a Russian woman and and a western woman is so different it is as night and day. Likewise, South east Asian women are vastly different from Russian women. The only similarity is that they have roughly the same type of obvious physical attributes, all be it if in very different proportions :-) Nope, you are dead wrong on this one. Russian women and western women are as different as night and day. I/O vivalasvegas Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2007 5:29:37 AM   I/O.... the age of the woman i chase really depends on the area of the world i am looking. During my FSU adventures, i told the agency strictly 28+!!!! This is somewhat realistic in the FSU. I would not even dare to date a 20 year old in the FSU unless it was strictly for a 1 night stand. Now asia is a whole different story. I get mobbed by 20 year olds in the PI and it is totally realistic to get engaged to one of these girls. When i read about the experiences of all you guys in the FSU, i cannot somehow think 2 things... either i totally missed the boat on this one, or the agency had such a tight grip on the group, we were not allowed to see all the FSU has to offer. Could it be i was unlucky to the point that i drew out every scumbag girl in the FSU??? I honestly just fail to see anything special about these girls. Now i do admit i was at the mercy of the agency for this venture, the language barrier is just too great for a beginner like me to jump. It seems to me that you did not use the same methods the rest of us are using to find love.... and perhaps that is the key to your success, cuz for the most part, the rest of us are striking out big time in the FSU. It is a huge contrast to L/A or asia. How do the noobies like me unlock the "inner beauty" of FSU girls?? I was really most unimpressed with girls who possesss the personality of a paperweight. My success with women of other parts of the world is almost legendary. Why the huge "swing an a miss" in the FSU....?? not just for me, but the VAST majority of us guys going over there. Do you personally think there is a certain "hate americans" culture over there??? i have visited over a dozen countries in my lifetime and the ukraine was by far the worst place i ever seen on every level imaginable. The answer is probably as obvious as the noses on our faces, but why the HUGE success in every other place i have been to ?? WHAT IS IT THE MAJORITY OF US GUYS ARE MISSING?? PS... thank you for being polite I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2007 6:50:49 AM   iva: Politeness comes when someone makes a logical statement that has some substance. Again, I refer to the fact that you noted 10% serious ON THIS SITE. Again, no argument, it is an internet MOB site and I don't know the percentages, but logic suggests you could well be right regarding this site. What did you miss and why? Is there anti Americanism? Do the agents keep you from the good ones? Serious questions and I'll attempt to address them with the little bit of knowledge I have. But before I do, accept the pretext that I've spent a considerable amount of time in North America and largely the USA, I like it, I could live there and I generally speaking like the people, in some ways, perhaps even more than my country people. However, first the Asian and L/A thing. Been there done that. Yes you can find young'ns there and good ones at that, but go back to my post above. When they reach the age of really thinking for themselves and forming their own opinions, more times than not it is "Good night nurse". We have been watching the Asians come and go here for 35+ years and frankly most Aussies got over them years back. No they are not all bad. And...BTW not all the Aussie men who went and are still going to some extent are arrogant arseholes like me. Very dear friend of ours is a young and very hot Singaporian. She would make most men jaw drop anywhere in the world. She is, well how do you say, "Just Lovely" which ever way you view her. Some very smart man might just be good enough to jag her in the draft someday and he will be fortunate indeed. Back to the FSU and your questions. No they are not Anti American purse', but they are well used to the big mouthed, small dicked yanks rolling in like they own the show and flashing a bit of cash. The girls over there have all seen this too many times and a common saying in Russia (And the East) is, "Don't worry if you miss this westerner, they are like trains, there will be another along soon". Some Americans, Aussies, Poms, and the worst are the Germans have made it hard for everyone over their by disgraceful behaviour over a long period of time and I suspect the damage will never be undone. If the girls over there are going to notice you, you HAVE to stand out from the Joe Smuck crowd or westerners by being different. IMHO you either "Fit in or phuc up" and there is not much in between. I have no time for agents in any way shape or form, but I begrudgingly admit they have a place, but IMHO it is as a back up and for logistical support. Frankly, I don't think the agents have access to the best of the best. (Generally speaking) Certainly, many guys have met and married some super Ladies through agents, But but but.... Busness is business. I think if you (Anyone) wants someone special, then they have to make a special effort and play THEIR OWN game. Marriage agents IMHO are similar to job agents. They are monkeys and there is no way I'll let one of them guide my career, much less my personal life. Yes I do think they often keep the visitors on a tight leash. Yes I think you'll probably have little chance, if any (Now) of meeting someone really special on one of these organised tours. Yes language is a problem and it still is for me now, but there is ways and means around it. Much to do with preparation. I recently helped a guy get over and back with almost no language. We simply developed and translated a series of credit card sized flash cards with various requests for help and or information. Simple stuff like, I need a train ticket to XYZ, I want a sleeper birth. This type of stuff. He went with probably 25 cards and generally got through without a hitch. Frankly, if you line up ladies who have no English, you are making it hard for yourself. Yeah yeah, I've heard all this shite about maybe I'll miss the good ones if I restrict it to someone who speaks some English. Maybe, but she's gotta learn sooner or later, just like you should learn some of her language also. If you've no common language between you from the get go, it'll be a very long and slow romance. Been there done that and I DON'T recommend it. :-) What did you miss and why? IMHO you have missed the best and some of the reasons I have eluded to above, but the major thing I'd like to get across is that Russians and other easterners to an extent are great "Understaters". You won't get much out of them in a first meeting. Their trust is not easily won. Public displays or even indications of affection are not generally acceptable.(Generally speaking) Example: Even now, if mine is in Russia and I go up to join her or whatever, she always, always comes to the airport to meet me, she always has everything arranged, but she will never never never kiss me when I arrive in the greeting hall. Gotta wait till we are out of public view, BUT then it is well, FULL ON. :-) That is just an example and you can figure where I am going with this. You ain't gunna get kissed in public and almost certainly not in the Taxi when you drop her off at home after a date. It just ain't gunna happen if she is one of the top shelf ones. :-) They can be very "Dead Pan" with expressions until you get to know them a little, but belive me, they have probably the best sense of humour and flair for fun of almost any nationality. You just gotta be a tad patient before you'll see it. Why the huge "Swing and miss"? Sort of no brainer really. Take a huge swing (4k Guided tour) and you are a pretty fair chance of missing in my view. All that's just my opinion and others may see it differently. The FSU is not easy and it is not for everyone, And....I have due respect for those who white flag it and say it ain't for me, BUT I despise people who try to preach other places as above, simply because they have not been successful in the FSU. That says much more about the hunter th I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2007 6:52:52 AM   That says much more about the hunter than the quarry. No I didn't get lucky. I think it was Henry Ford who said something like "Luck is actually when experience readies us for opportunity". I guess I would say, "When knowledge readies us for opportunity". Ever notice how the smart ones always seem to be the lucky bastages. FWIW I/O PS I did try to use your full name, but this stupid formatter cuts bits out if you rave on too much as I have above.:-) nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2007 8:34:50 AM   Gee, I/O you've missed the wonderful and articulate personalities of the likes of aussieman and steeleman. Before you slam the small dicked big mouth yanks, you ought to do a little research on some of your bright and articulate countrymen that have blessed us with their intellect on this forum. Just some FYI LOL! That being said, no matter what country you are from if your an asswipe there, you're going to be an asswipe in the FSU. The good ones, don't jump for the cash and bravado. Viva has issues and if you read their historical past as others, they try to imply demands on these women that they are not willing to put themselves too. As if they are doing them a favor by giving them their time and opportunity to live in the states. Others have misrepresented themselves to women, using pictures of more well to do friends and rubbing it in the faces of the women who won't get on bended knee to them and saying, see what you are missing? These women, have lived this lifestyle all their lives, what we have and where we live is meaningless to them until they are here. My wife has been very objective of her first year here. She dislikes our medical system, but adores the attitudes we have for each other and how we keep our homes, property and cities clean for the most part. She was amazed for the first few months that strangers greeted each other on the street. That doesn't happen in Ukraine. How we stop to help each other. This was not the America she was brainwashed into believing. The hypocricy to all this, is there have been a couple lately that were fervent advocates of women in the FSU, but when the women saw through their facade and drivel now they come in and rip these ladies and tell how shit their flats and lifestyle are. How they are not real. Arrogance killed many of them, and I still have to chuckle about what they had to be so arrogant about. This is not an impossible task, if you are a genuine person. I wasn't doing my wife a favor, her life is all she knew and it was normal to her. One of my favorite stories was of a guy, who has a outstanding occupation, a home that is killer, and he didn't really tell his future wife what he had and what he was worth. The lady loved him for him and she hit the lottery and didn't even know it. There are too many good stories to hear. But it's the one's with an ax to grind that just want to tell how shitty it is in the FSU. All I can say, is I'm the luckiest guy in the world, I wake up each morning to the most incredible and loving woman that most guys only dream about. She is not a pushover, but she gives back twice what she is given. So for you guys out there, don't buy into the 1% or 10% nonsense. With common sense and being yourself the number increases incredibly. Leave your ego at the passport control and be a human being, your reward will be beyond anything you can imagine. If you're morally corrupt, you don't stand a chance in hell in Ukraine. At least with finding a life long partner. Most of the ladies there have had more than their share of that. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2007 9:25:56 AM   What a lot of western guys don't seem to realize is that our advantage in the FSU is only a tmeporary one. We are still at an economic advantage - but withing a generation - Americna guys will have no greater advantage in the FSU than we would in France or the UK. What that means is that in a FAIR social market - terrific, well rounded, charismatic guys will ALWAYS have an advantage and an appeal (in the FSU, current western Europe, or even in the USA). Its the big-time shmucks (and we probably all have a degree of "shmuckdom") who's advantages will dry up when they are on the same economic footing in the FSU as they are in the rest of the world. But women over there are not stupid. They know that guys come over all saucer-eyed staring at the beauties. They also know that many western guys, and his money are soon parted. (Actually the entire proverb goes "A fool and his money are soon parted.") Interpersonally they are a mile ahead in the game and they don't mind occassionally playing a western guy for a fool from time to time in exchange for a few gifts and a litle cash. They do tell stories to each other afterward. They do talk among themselves. What we have to do is to learn to sepearte those who are in to play the game from the REAL women. And generally REAL women look a little plainer - and do not have glamour shots posted on high traffic websites (use a little common sense on that one). AP Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2007 1:41:50 PM   I/O, i take issue with your comparison of marriage agents to job agents. i happen to be a recruitment consultant and, i believe, a very good one! it doesn't take much to sit in an agency and be an administrator for the 100'd of girls who come through the door every year but i can tell you that recruitment is one of the hardest jobs going. very ,very few are good at it and survive and it takes brains, determination, commerciality and a little good humour to succeed. apart from this i think you make a lot of very valid points! I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2007 4:49:29 PM   AP: I speak as I see. I employ 270 odd people and the agents bash my door ceaselessly with all the same old lines. I got over them ages ago. You might be good at your job, but it is a dirty barrell in which you are swimming. As you would well know, there is very very few who really have anything substantial to offer. There is also just a handful of hardworking, articulate and effective marriage agents. However, like job agents they are in the small minority. I gotta admit that I am completely biased against any type of agent period, because the fact is that there is not one agent of any type or industry that can do one single thing you can't do yourself if you put the time, effort and research into the subject. Nevertheless, marriage agents, like other agents do have their place and purpose. Nasfan6: I think you kinda missed my pretext in that post. I am well and truely aware of the phucwits from here who bring this country into disgrace also. But, for the purpose of this thread, there is far more Americans tracking over there than there is Aussies. You might have missed my exchange with Viva a few threads back. I think his strategy has been totally phuct to date and I explained to him fairly plainly why I think that in another thread. However, I've cut him a little slack here because he did come back to this thread with some logic in his post and prepared to listen to reason this time. I've noticed that even the dumbest bastages can just sometimes learn, so whilst there is life there is hope. His guided tour to Ukraine was a classic "Pay the money and fix the vacancy" strategy and I just can't see that working in this day and age. As far as him looking for his young hotties in any part of the world, as soon as they grow up a little he'll get the sharp end of their shaft whether he believes it or not. I/O danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2007 6:37:23 PM   Being a recruitment consultant is a piece of cake, no qualifications required, just a matter of sales pitching with the client(s) and finding the right candidate(s) to fill the position(s) :) vivalasvegas Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/11/2007 10:44:15 AM   I/o... Your last paragraph really says it all. The system that is currently setup to "help" us in the search for love in the FSU doesnt work in this day and age. BUT it does work in latin america and asia. I think my whole point is that you can pound away fruitlessly for years and still come up empty handed or you can sail into bluer waters. As for my "young hotties" i will have my cake and eat it too. I already married an 18 year old and it was the best 8 years of my life. Yeah she walked away, as i knew she would one day. I will never consider myself shafted. She got 20%, i found it quite fair. Now i think i will go for a bigger and better cake. I am at the point in my life where i can spend 9 weeks a year overseas. I will have my fresh young hottie.... or even two if i want, and if the day comes when i decide to bring one here, she will come giftwrapped in marrige contracts, pre-nups and offshore bank accounts. My eyes have really been opened during these last 2 years. There is a big big world out there and a man really can have whatever he wants. Why go to the FSU to find love?? I really do stand by my statement that the FSU shoud be last on the list of the places to visit for love. FSU is a bust not only for practical reasons, (cost, language, agency problems... etc) The ladies also share blame too.... high expectations, golddiggery, aloof attitudes.. etc. Russian scammers pour out of the internet like ants. Sure there are scammers everywhere, but only in russia will a small ad result in HOARDS of russian scam girls of all kinds skill levels. I/O you are a man of the world, like me. We SEE the whole picture. YOU KNOW how hard it is to find a good FSU girl. A man must jump through 1000 hoops and YES THE PRIZE MAY WELL BE WORTH IT......... but why???? why shoud anyone give up so much control in a relationship such as this?? MAKE HER JUMP THROUGH 1000 HOOPS, make sure she knows she has to work for your love every day. Why would any man crawl on bended knee, begging for attention from an FSU primadonna when i can replace her so fast her head will spin? You did not use agencies and websites such as this, it could be the secret of your success. You alone have the years of marrige to talk the talk and walk the walk, but what about the rest of us just starting out in the FSU???? Better to fly to somewhere in asia, where you will find a sweet kind sincere young girl before you get out of the airport. 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