beemer: Some of the girls at the Socials are prostitues. Whether this is acknoweledged, condoned or even promoted by the agencies, I don't know. The agencies CLAIM that they only invite serious women. But I would venture to guess that any agency that registers girls - also has some prostitutes registered. (You could very well be writing to some!)
Some guys are idiots. They bring expensive engagement rings with them or shower the girls with gifts on inevitable "shopping trips". Some of the girls are out to enrich themselves or to turn a profit so some are less than honest. A few knockouts - are only looking for the best male prospect. So they might very well turn down average guys, causing a "sour grape" reaction among some guys who might think that they were hired by promoters.
Socials aren't perfect by a long shot. And if you are looking for an idealistic vehicle that will cause "10's" to fall at your feet effortlessly, that's not going to happen at a Social either. (But I'll tell you you won't spend a long time on a girl only to discover that he's a burly scammer with stubble named Boris either).
Regarding my grammar (and spelling) I joke about it - but this forum is an informal gathering. I'm not writing to impress you with my ability. I AM an MBA - but I don't always intend to write like one. That's your answer.
Honestly - my exfiance (who I met at a Social) told me that in her coversations with other girls as they were preparing to meet the guys, the general consensus was that the guys who attend Socials are basically LOSERS.
Now - I must preface this with the information, that she told me this after we had broken up. And after I told her that I intended to go to another. And after she told me that if I did we would never see each other again. But she still said it.
And truly there were some loser guys. They were doctors, a lawyer and a judge but some of them looked pretty bad. They're were guys who had let themselves go physically LONG AGO. There were short "bushy looking" guys. There was one guy (a pysician)who truly was a sex tourist and didn't care who knew it.
I, on the other hand, was 6'2", 185 pounds and probably in the best shape of my adult life. (I'm not in that shape anymore - but still not short and bushy). And regardless of what you have heard - looks DO COUNT. (Don't fall for the idea that they don't at all.)
What I am saying is that if you are in REASONABLY GOOD SHAPE you will do great at the social. You won't have a lot of competition from the othe guys - even if they are there.
jet/jetmba/or Jim whoever, some people in the old continent are still up. I read in a sunday paper that Teheran has caught up in speed dating - big time, consisting of swapping tel nos between cars while at traffic lights! Not that would be something. And I can say, apart from the religion and stuff, persian/iranian girls are rather cute.
But if you need a travel companion call me. Not only will i be ure companion but, for 460 usd per day I will drive u round in my nice car (all petrol included).
I agree. There are different girls at the Socials than the ones who write letters. However what kind of girls? Some of them may be models invited to embellish the party and just be nice. Some others are there to look for the rich guy who spoil them. The rest go there just to see what's up. This is the same crowd you find in bars and nightclubs. So what's the difference. I do not believe the fairy tale that agencies have `selected' these girls among the ones that are serious and have serious intentions. Beside, I agree, these girls think that men who go to Socials are basically Losers. So that is not a good start for a relationship. I would say also that probably most girls also think that men that need to pay an agency to meet a woman are losers as well.
Jim 63,
I may be over in Ukraine the 2nd week of June, but my plans are not set. I'm not interested in rooming with anybody, but meeting to compare notes and venture out together can make the whole mission more interesting. You can email me at njmo26@yahoo.com.
"This is the same crowd you find in bars and nightclubs. So what's the difference."
??? Do mean - the same as the crowd you find in bars and nightclubs HERE? Absolutely not. The girls in the FSU aren't even from the same PLANET that the girls in the US are from.
??? Or do you mean the bars and the nightclubs there? The difference is that these girls are absolutely looking for you. Not just to hang out with there friends. And they are not drunk. There is a big difference. But those who choose not to see, won't. And you are welcome to be in that group.
Jetmba, I meant bars and nightclubs THERE. There is nothing wrong with going to a Social. After all it is just one evening of your time. However I became opposed to the idea of meeting a woman where there is a third party (seeking money) involved. It could make things look very easy at the beginning but could eventually backfire.
No doubt meeting girls in casual settings is more difficult and you might go to the FSU and end up watching cable TV in your hotel room. If you really want a plan to begin with one idea is to contact some independent girls on various sites and ask for a meeting. In general I think having a one-to-one experience from the very beginning could be a much more satisfying experience and a much better start. She will respect you as somebody that has courage and take a chance and has something more to offer than money and a passport (of course I am talking about the type of girls I would be interested in). In general I found the FSU women interested. They are curious, friendly and talk to you no problem. This is a good start. The rest is our job.