AP + Globus + Apal = We all had similiar experiences with these girls.
You see, we are younger guys than these older guys in here. These other guys hang out with the older women (Age 25+). On the other hand, they don't understand there are decent looking younger guys in here who don't have problems meeting decent looking local girls, but are on the look out for the 'young hot dream girl'. I was. I probably still am, and maybe there is a diamond in the rough, but maybe there isn't.
I too had encounters with the unsavory types. Young Ukrainain guys spitting on the side walk as they strut around, cussing and yelling to each other. Fortunately I didn't get a chance to hang out with them at the bars while my translator is speaking English to everyone within shouting distance to draw more unwanted stares from the local guys.
I am not slamming each Ukrainian girl. I have met wholesome cute girls who really want a nice guy.
*** But if all three of us have had a run in with more than one extremely narcicistic young gorgeous girl who is rude, arrogant, self-interested, money-digging and as cold and uncaring of anyone but herself -- then I think you others should shut up and listen instead of holding on to your delusion that these girls don't exist and trying to insult us with your own bullshit rhetoric to the contrary. ***
Good luck in your own relationships.
On a footnote: It was wierd but when I called off all the meetings with the girl that pulled this exact same BS on me? I later found out it was one of the saddest moments in her life, because she said to others that she really was interested in me and that she really did find me attractive, but she couldn't change what she was, it was how her mother had brought her up - her words exactly. Strange but true... AP I thought you had met the exact same girl I had when I went on my first visit to Ukraine.
Ukraine is a strange place with people from all walks of life -- some very good -- some very bad.
I agree with someone who wrote that looks are sometimes all these girls had -- especially when they are only a student, and in such a poor country it can be the only thing they define as their own self worth.
So in the equation = better looking == better monetary value needed? Who knows... Money for love is just spiritual prostitution to me -- nothing worse or more disgusting to me in this big lonely world...
I hope to marry someone who likes me and not my money. I did find more than a noticeable lure of material possessions equating to social status there, but its like that most everywhere in the world... just not as blatant as it was in Ukraine.
Andy -- Before you go, write a few of the other girls in Nikolaev that have a much better personality fit, in case you run into the more common (cold, self-interested, rude) girls who will be flowerly with their letters, and callous and vindictive in person.
Check your AC Power adaptors if your from the US. You'll have to get some for all your electronic gear. And make a list of other agency telephone #'s just in case. Other than that, be prepared for anything... it's a crapshoot.
hi guys.
i'm from nikolaev. (male, 21. 182 sm, 81 kg, blue eyes, black hair. would some one marry me?))))
it's very funny to read your posts )))
...all women are identical, but some make her price raise... ))) (modern folk)
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If the girl has dissolved you on money, a problem only in you!!! You was like ...kid...fool... Where ever you will go, situation will be the same.
TIP: never (NEVER!!!!) give the initiative to the girl. :)
PS: i think, you are lying, that you had sex with her ;)
I have a question for the open minded gentlemen who have been to the Ukraine more than once, and can speak about positive and negatives of the country and the people. I'm travelling to the Ukraine in about two weeks, Nikolaev specifically. I speak Russia near fluently, and am very knowledgable about the country and the people. My question... What do I wear? I have a girl I have been chatting with for a while, extremely pleasant girl. She isn't a 10, but I wasn't searching for a 10, I was looking for a woman I could connect with on MORE than a physical basis. Turns out I found a 9 1/2 that is extremely intelligent, funny and seems truly caring (sends texts occasionally to tell me she misses me etc., sent me flowers when I was ill). I really don't know what to wear though. I of course want to look good for her, but I know that modesty among men is the cultural norm. I don't want to show up wearing a simple (by our standards) pair of designer jeans and shirt, and end up looking arrogant. I am equally concerned with looking shabby while trying to be modest.
Oh, and any info on how to arrange travel details from Kiev or Odessa to Nikolaev would be nice also.
Thanks for any help you may provide.
Honestly Duc I dont think it matters what you were. Theyve all seen enough foreign TV to know about trends. Saying that I wouldnt turn up wearing walk shorts with knee high socks and Roman sandels.
What they dont like is anything with even a speck of dirt or a T shirt with even a pinhole in it. Slightly dressy is good.
Ukrainian women want you to look smartly dressed. They take a lot of pride dressing for their man and looking nice and expect him to do the same especially on first meeting, unless you are planning on the meeting at the beach!
Be warned a long and tedious evening is in front of you if you dont meet her expectations.
Honesty is the best policy, dress as you would do for a similar occasion back home else you risk dressing uncomfortably for as long as the relationship may last.
If she's going to dump you on the fist date for what you wear then she obviously wasn't that interested in you anyway.
Nikolaev and Odessa are the worst places to meet girls.The whole south Ukraine is a trap.Guys,listen to Monada,she knows about this stuff,the local girls mentality all over Ukraine,she has precious advice to give.
As a person who has worked in odessa for a number of years, and now I visit as many times as I can. it is true that lots of women are after one thing, and the western men are the same. The women have great family values and the real women looking for love are not a easy push over, I have been seeing a women from odeesa for 3 years and we have a great relationship, it takes time to build. men who chase women 30 years younger then themself hoping to find love, ( are dreaming) the women see a bank account, the men see sex only.
Odessa is a great place lots of good night life and cheap (take dallors not pounds or euro) kept to the main areas do not drift to the side roads, they will take your money, the pick pockets are quick, never carry a wallet, cash front pocket. dont show off ( iam have money etc) you will be a target for a pretty girl, how will leave you brocken. if get laid make sure you wear a condom, aids and hiv is very high here.use your big head not your little head. the women are street wise and if they are getting you an apartment, it is cheaper then the tourism ones, taxis as for the price first and can then get the price down, if you are happy with it see another taxi, from odeesa to beach about 80 local money, but you can ask anyone in odessa, they will give you good prices, they are not taxi. the women like men how take care of thenself, dress well, but dont wear to much with designer labels on, be a gentlemen the women love it, ukriane men would never do this. have a good time, odessa is a diamond in the making
of couse it matters what you wear, for me its a matter of personal pride, i take just as long as a women to dress,if you have pride in yourself the women will see that, ukriane my be a poor county but the women that pride in them selfs, and you must do the same.
All I got from AP's post is that he is a typical British idiot. I hate all things British as they are stupid self absorbed morons who wouldnt even exist this day had it not been for Americans saving their sorry asses. You cant understand a damn thing they say, they are easily fooled and scammed and wouldnt know a decent days work if it slapped them in the face as it is a Muslim infested welfare rathole of a place with medical care not much better than what exists in Ukraine.
I love Ukraine. Ukrainian drivers are far more experienced and talented drivers that idiot British f**kers who cant even drive on the right side of the damn road.
The girl only screwed him because she was an agency girl and felt like he had spent enough to justify giving him 2 minutes of sex. why wouldnt she? It takes her longer to smoke a cigarette than screw him.
Nikolaev and Odesa are far more attractive cities than London, which is dirty, polluted and has a crime rate 3 times higher than either Ukrainian city.
Ukrainian girls are also far more beautiful than the fat toothless girls in UK who sit around on their fat asses and eat bon bons all day and arent smart enough to wax off the mustache that makes them look like an ugly man.
Really Lonely? bet you need to learn how to spell in Ukrainian as thats where the city is located.
it is Odesa in Ukrainian. I suggest you look it up while you are showing the forum how ignorant you are!
Thats the problem with some Americans, they want to change things for THEIR convenience. Thats why you have problems in Ukraine
As the city is in UKRAINE, it is properly Одеса although in Russian you can spell it Одесса. neither is incorrect.
But as most people know,,,, even the locals in Ukraine speak Russian!!!
An extra tidbit of info,,,, I met Oksana Baiul, a Odessa native and Olympic champion in figure skating in person in Cable, Wis. An Olympic training camp for beginners.