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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > a foreign affair Author Post jamie1964 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/27/2009 11:27:53 PM   hen i was in Ukraine, their way of life was a big shock.. The conditions of the roads, the traffic, the streets and buildings, but, I'm sure if these people came to Australia, they would probably think the same...But there was one thing that stood out in every city that i visited.....People had a 'blank' look on their faces..No one seemed happy, i put that down to a hard lifestyle and low wages and no government support to it's people..Especially the elderly,or disabled people, for not even the local younger people cared or worried about them..And i thought about these younger, healthy people, don't get sick or end up with a disability because what goes around- comes around... I also found that in Nikolaev, when i spoke English, some of the locals had a surprised look on their faces, as if they have never met a English speaking person in their lives...Some of the local young men saw me as a 'threat', because they knew i was a foreign man and ( i guess) foreign men only visit places like Nikolaev for one reason only....Especially after if anyone had visited Odessa and Sevastopol.... Some of the local men had 'little digs' at me behind my back...At one clothes store called 'Madonna's', one sales guy said 'good luck'..So they knew what i was over there for...I didn't travel over there to be having lunch at a restaurant ( outside dining) and to have a cat or a dog walk under the tables..I'm like, WTF!!!!...Your never got a gun when you need one!!....And the locals don't know why you have a strange look on your face when this happens...Another thing is, in Australia, you cannot smoke at a restaurant, you have to go to a designated smoking area, set up by the establishment... One other small thing i NEVER got used to was the men spitting all the time onto the footpaths..Dirty, arrogant bastards..Anyone who does this in any country is disrespectful to other people who use the footpaths..Does this sort of thing happen in other countries all the time?????????? As far as the 'agencies' are concerned, local knowledge in the cities is that, more and more women are turning away from the 'dating agencies' because it is well known that they are called ( amongst the locals) , ' letter writing agencies'....More letters, more money...Sure there is honest and genuine women on all dating sites, but i have noticed that the women who are out to make a dollar are more prolific in numbers then genuine women...And the agencies would know these tendencies of behavior and turn a blind eye to them..... So who's to blame for allowing this to happen???.... The local agency people OR the American owners of these 'dating' agencies that live in America and visit occasionally.. I've said American, because the majority are owned or controlled by american based companies... When a 'customer' of these dating agencies travels and attends these socials, he needs more then LUCK..He needs local knowledge, INDEPENDANT from the agencies people... Dieter, everything you said in your thread about the woman you are interested in, I DID JUST THAT, but it still didn't stop the agency people and the woman from treating me like a number...The woman was only 10 years younger then me..I'm 6'1" and 195 pounds.. The ONLY people who didn't tell me lies was, the people who had NOTHING to do with 'dating' agencies.. Independant English speaking guides that live in the cities that i visited.. Most were women, because they earn more money being a guide then working at the department store... One of the women was early 30's and attractive...She told me about how the dating agencies conduct A LOT of their business... She also told me about the local newspaper advertisements by the agencies for women to join and also how she was approached to join the agency to write 'love letters' to men and even have a profile of HERSELF on there as well... Does anyone think that these agencies and some of the women should NOT BE talked about on forums so as to warn men out there,that the chances of being 'used' is very highly probable...????????????...Or do we say nothing and let everyone work things out for themselves??????? On a dating site called 'ualadys.com', i made up a false profile on this site when i noticed my 'girlfriend' had updated ( changed) her profile # 9889, 4-6 weeks after i arrived home......If anyone is talking to her now, you are wasting your money.......This one is clever and knows how to work the system and just what to say to keep the 'punters' online......She is also has 1st. international marriage profile # 1000022338 I was using AFA ( a foreign affair) site for our correspondence and i think she didn't know i had found her on all her other sites... She wrote " Mathew", a VERY nice letter and she even invites him to visit her in her city in the very FIRST LETTER... But in her letters to me via AFA, she gives me her bank account details to put some money in there for her, so she could buy a computer ( like we spoke about on our last date) so as to sent photos and keep in touch.... Hmm, talk about luck or being attentive...... Getting back to the English speaking guides, once i was with these people, i didn't get 'ripped off' by taxi drivers or ANYONE and as you say in your thread, your girlfriend was with you... The ONLY way for a foreign man to be attentive is to learn what is being SAID AROUND HIM...I wish i had more Russian words when i went over to Ukraine because i would have know what was being said when the woman and her agency people were speaking in front of me, knowing i didn't understand what they were saying...And they said quite a few words and i knew they didn't want me to know what they were talking about... I picked a great CD on Odessa called 'Russian in one hour' by Living Language...I would recommend t ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/27/2009 11:46:03 PM   You have a similar story with JCrew, rjfot. Question: What was the age difference between you two, and do you think this played a role? jamie1964 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/28/2009 6:45:28 PM   ragingbul hi, I think your last thread is for me.. 10 years difference between her and myself..I was 44 and she was 34... Do i think it played a role???? No, not really, Why do i say this???? No, i don't think it was my age that mattered too much, i think it was one of two things.. 1: I think she has a local boyfriend, because when i finally meet her in person, I'm like a total stranger that she has never had any form of contact with or seen before in her life and this taxi driver young guy, gave me the quickest 'look up and down', i've EVER had in my life by someone..Also Ragingbull, I'm like feeling as if i just turned up in Nikolaev and picked her out of a catalogue....And another thing, i've caught her out 3 times now on how she writes her letters to men and these men are all the same to her..In other words, my false profiles have been varied as well as distinguished (laugh,) you can be tall, athletic, well dressed, educated OR you can be short, fat, smoke and drink beer very often and even have no photo on your profile, but it doesn't stop Evgeniya Tuz from Nikolaev from being so interested in writing to you...To give you a better understanding of this woman, because her and i were meant to be in a relationship after my trip, she sends me her bank account details to put some money in there to pay for a computer, for us to communicate with and AT THE SAME TIME, she is talking to other guys on the other sites, as if she is single and free!!!!!.... Man, this chick is SO GOOD at her letter writing, that since she scammed me, i can see how she operates(because of her letters to my false profiles) and it is also obvious that she has the FULL support of ALL the agencies that have her listed with..These 'dating agencies', without their women, they are out of business.... It makes me wonder, how many other guys are being ripped off by this agency?????????? I've just found out that www.aslavgirl.com are an affiliate agency to 1st. International Marriage Network.. The interesting parts here is; i asked John Adams ( the CEO of AFA) if these 2 companies are inked. He wasn't quite sure(maybe he's right), but i think it's strange that one company can have a 'gold' rating with jim's agency scams and the other can have a 'black' listing ...Looks like martin-coleman could be correct from his perusal's of jims agency scams.. I have asked the security manager at 1st. International, if any letters that go to this woman( #1000022338) via he's sites are interpreted at www.aslavgirl.com and he said, " Yes, they are"...So that means the people at the agency have known ALL ALONG what this woman has been up to.....What a huge joke played, not only on me, but i wonder how many other paying customers of AFA have been cheated like this????.. Is this FSU dating all worth it????????? 2: This chick is looking for a Doctor, a lawyer, a big important business man or someone who has a professional job of some important description... I found rjfot thread, but were can i find JCrew thread? ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/28/2009 11:58:28 PM   Jamie, I don't think age differences matter. But from what I have read and listened to, and my observations, it is too young to get married below the age of 26. My gf is 34, and I will be 52 in May. jamie1964 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/29/2009 2:30:55 AM   Ragingbull, hi again. I think you are correct about the age for women to young to get married in FSU countries..I have been warned by several people now ( and not just on this forum) that to stay away from women 25 and under..Apparently, all this searching for a 'soul mate' is all bullsh#t...Most of these women in FSU are happy with their lives....And from what i did noticed about the women in Ukraine was, a lot of attention goes into what they look like, their hair, their clothes, their nails, shoe's, who could forget to mention shoe's and OF COURSE, their thin figures..Because being thin, is a BIG draw card...I also noticed the local men NOT paying them much attention..Couldn't work that one at the time, but i think i can see the answer now... What all this FSU dating is all about, is a game of 'catch me if you can'..And after setting up false profiles on online dating ukraine, MAN, did this open my eyes up...I would put my real age on the profile (44) and also the age of the women i was interested in corresponding too ( 10-12 years difference - TOPS), but all this, does not stop the 18, 19, 20 y/o princess's from sending you the same pre-written introduction letter that they send to all the 'punters'.. And on top of all this, they have not even looked at my profile correctly..For Example: On my first profile, i placed photos of Nikolaev, Odessa, Sevastopol and Uman, i would receive letters from 'honest' and 'genuine' little princess's who would tell me about what the name of the city that they live in and how beautiful it is and other blah, blah, blah..And then say, " Do you know where it is?".....And i would mention this to the security manager for the site and he would tell me that your profile match's the woman's search requirements...I would then have to send 'Sputnik' ( security manager for the site) another letter saying, "But they haven't looked at my profile".. This FSU dating is a mine field and is a expensive game to play when you have to travel so far.. Placing false profiles on these sites and noticing what crap you receive from the 'honest' women makes me laugh now..But the security manager tells that all the women's backgrounds are checked out...And then i mentioned to 'sputnik', that there is a woman who has 3 different profiles on his 'honest' site and is logging into all 3 of them..'Sputnik's' new answer was they check only 30% of the women's back grounds..So you know what that means................70% of them are scammers..Because a scammer will ALWAYS choose the easiest site to play her games.... If i could find where this guy is located, i would like to welcome him to 'disney fist'....Man, this guy has made up some stories, i think he should be working for Walt Disney studio's...And i think if telling lies becomes an Olympic sport, this guy is THE clear favorite for the gold medal... ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/29/2009 11:43:22 AM   Jamie, I wasn't talking about just FSU women, but all men and women. Statistics show that divorce rates go down at age 26 and above. I bumped up JCrew's story for you, but that just served to continue the arguing. AzulReyJM Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2009 5:23:14 PM   Hello to everyone, Maybe I had so much luck with AFA... That was my first tour, my first social, and I met my girlfriend and now we are planning our wedding for 2010. Very different from the nightmare I lived with the Russian girl I met through Internet. For the ones who are interested on my past story, you can check this blog: http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&forumid=1&topic id=4124 Best of luck to everyone!!!! jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2009 1:25:18 PM   ANOTHER ROMANCE SOCIAL SUCCESS STORY! It is by the far the best way to meet ladies from the FSU. But your link telling us of your previous nightmare doesn't actually work. austin martin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2009 9:06:15 PM   It is by the far the best way to meet ladies from the FSU. your kidding right .....can i ask ....who is cooking your dinner jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2009 5:07:59 AM   OH I get it. I had no idea that this site was meant for the culinarily challenged. What were really looking for here is a Personal Chef, heh? Then we should all forget the websites we are using and go to - http://www.hireachef.com/ they can help you find a personal chef in your area. As far as who is keeping my bed warm at night? Again that could be accomplished through professional service if I so desired and through an entirely different website than that mentioned above. But surprisingly, most are here for a different reason than either of those entioned above - and for that there are TWO ladies who would be more than willing to fullfil the desired roll, if I would simple do the required paperwork. So the fact that I am actually cooking my own dinner tonight (since you asked) is entire MY choice and not anyone else's. mojo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/14/2009 3:56:52 AM   ey Guys, Just wanted to give you my input. I do believe that AFA is a great agency and the best around. I have used them and presently are using them. BUT, I do notice that many of the profiles are now with many other agencys and that things might have changed since the IMBRA regs.Also notice that many Ukrainian Girls seem not to have an email address. Not so before and other girls from much poorer countries don't have this issue. I will state my adventure: I first used this service in 2000. Found a lovely girl after sorting out 300 of them. Went to visit her on my own and meet with her in Kiev. We had sex the very first night and I was blown away. We did spend a year of writing to each other and fell "what I thought" deeply in love. Understood each other. She learned English for me and showed how smart she was. Kept writing and went on a second trip to meet her in her own town of Cherkassy. Meet with her parents, great people and with her sister. (Sister really was flurting with me much) Amazed by home many beautiful woman were availble in this country. 10 to 1 easily. Went on a trip with her to Yalta. Little problem started. Little negative remarks, spoiled attitude. I ignored it. Finally was just head over heals and did the paper work to have her come. Now being two years of writing and visiting twice. She wanted me to meet her in Paris she was scared of traveling or just not knowing. OK. Once back home in Los Angeles I was thrilled to have someone in my life as all friends and family noticed. Again, a few problems adjusting she would freak out with simple things like washing cloths in a washing machine to fighting about placing the orange juice we just bought in a cabinet and not in the frig. No problem, I have much experience dealing with this since I have lived in different cultures in Europe. I wanted to help her as much as I could. Envoled her in ESL classes. Big mistake, Started to talk to other immigrants and stated getting a little to close with the males. Strange. I even introduced her to other russian speakers that I knew of. Another huge mistake. After making plans to get married we had a fight. Told her to stay put and I will get back and we can discuss it calmy. Came back she was gone. Found out with my own contacts that her russian friends had shipped her of to San Fran and tried to marry her off to some other high paying customer. She finnaly broke down and contacted me to rescue her. Told me she was almost rape and how sorry whe was that she dissapeared as she did. Told me how much she loved me and missed me. And I forgave her. Spent several uneventful months togheter and fianlly got married. Helped her with getting a job tought her all I knew. But was not enough of an idiot to buy her a new car, gems or anything like that. We had nice apartment near the beach and we traveled, ate out, and showed everything cool in LA. I a few months of her working I wanted to ask if she would help with the bills. Like her cell phone, Basically her things. Just to see what would happen. Wow, huge, huge mistake. She would not let one cent out of her hand. I never even got christmas gifts or birthday gifts from her. Just a card. Huge red flag. She didn't want to change her last name, starting keeping secrets. Visited friends of knew nothing about. We would have this lame fights and again she would disappear. Was only married for 13 months and out of hat time she dissapeared 8 times. I tried every thing and anything to savage this marriage. But she really didn't care. Maintained she loved me and the sex was still out of this world. During this time and the fights we had she got more and more violant. Just slugging the hell out of me. Found out this was norm in her country and it would be out of stupid things like me tugging on her and giving her kiss on the cheek. Her response: "You don't own me". By the end of our 13 month marriage she was out of control. Had one last fight. Again slugging away. I think she has hopes of me hitting her back. I'm a big guy and x marine. Wouldn't do it. Next day the police arrested me for domistic violance. Spent the first time in jail for the evening with the cops being comple assholes. Guilty all the way. My bail was 50,000 and went up tp 150,000 by the next day. I said to the detective: provide me with proof. Photo of bruse, witnesses, Doctor report, something anything than just her word. Nothing. So they released me. That and they could not find her. I think my mom might have put the scare of God in her. Anyway, again disappeared and everything was gone. Then the legal stuff came. What a nightmare. Non-profit DV Agency got involed to defend her and her Russian friend all behind her. Me still an idiot willing to help her. Finally she broke down crying saying she was sorry and had a heart to heart talk. But in my mind file divorce right away. She was shocked at first and you wouldn't believe the lies that were documented by her. All in all still wanted to have a sexual realtionship with me. Finally a year latter divorce final. She didn't get a cent from me. I was smart to hide everything and act unemployed and broke. Still wanted to be with me. What a mind screw that was. I had to finally just dissapear from her view. And I did. Thank God. It was not easy because I was still much in love with her. Thinking she was just a person who had bad problems and I could help and fix. Wrong, it take two. hard lesson to learn. Now I am a good looking guy, Tall, well built and have no problems with the ladies. Just American girls are really just a bunch of screw ups. I found out she has dated old guys who are loaded and goes one to another. Embracing her independence and her must important thing her friends. Never ever concerned about creating meaningful realationship or family. So I warn you guys, All woman want the best. If you are old, fat and loa jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/14/2009 12:08:46 PM   (Let me start out by mentioning how much I HATE having to agree with anything danny/angus/bear55 says.) Sleeping with a woman the first night is not a good thing. My theory has always been that if she is willing to sleep with YOU on the first night - she is willing to sleep with anybody else too. And she probably has many times and often. Of the two women I have been seriously with, NEITHER slept with me on the first night - nor even on the first TRIP (recall please that I met both women at Romance Socials - so I met them and knew them for a week or more during the actual week of the Romance Social.) And I didn't push for it (well much anyway) either. Now if I had walked into the bedroom and they had actually THROWN themselves at me - would I have been cooperative? Admittedly I would have. They were/are both gorgeous and I am only human - but then I wouldn't have been serious about them either and probably wouldn't have seen them again. I went looking for a WIFE in the FSU - not a hooker or a party girl. And in Ukraine, Moldova or the US, a good wife prospect isn't the woman who jumps into bed with anybody she meets. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/14/2009 12:22:11 PM   In the same regard, by the way, both women have told me that they had pretty much the same theory. If the guy expected sex right away he was simply after an adventure and not a serious husband prospect. Now remember - I ONLY met these girls at the Romance Socials. I had had no previous relationship with them through telephone calls or writing to them - so my circumstances MIGHT be different than for some of you who have been writing for quite a while and have already got something going between you. But both of the women I was seriously involved with were not about to jump into bed for just some foreigner. gecko Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/14/2009 6:02:05 PM   good point Martin. after all that happened to this guy, he still thinks, 'Just American girls are really just a bunch of screw ups.' 'and the sex was still out of this world' i imagine this is the root of all his problems. you conquer your desire for this and a woman cannot have control over you. there is nothing scarier than a beautiful woman who uses sex to get what she wants. she knows she has complete control. the ironic thing is, she will only fall in love with someone she has no control over. this is the guy she respects. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/14/2009 6:20:00 PM   gecko, Currently there are so many 'bl00dy' Martin's around this forum (what a popular name I have, I'm thinking of starting a fan club :) might you be more precise which Martin you think may have a good point :) Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/14/2009 6:29:18 PM   P.S. Whenevever dis Austin Motors manufacture a car named a 'Martin'? Answers on a postcard please. Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/14/2009 6:41:44 PM   danny/angus/bear555 wrote: all women want the best . what a stupid comment . im living proof its not the case . I can't beleive I'm agreeing with him either but not for reasons he can comprehend. gecko Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/15/2009 7:17:36 PM   sorry, i meant good point Jetmba. Although I can't be sure, I think I screwed up a relationship in the past with a nice girl by trying for sex too soon. An expense lesson when you have to fly 2000 miles for each date! Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/19/2009 3:41:17 PM   BarelyRetarded555, What is was saying was that you must be right; not all women want the best since you are clearly such a loser that some woman would indeed settle for you. That is if she ever really existed at all. It's time for you to be banned again. 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