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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Russian brides women - Now i know why russian men drink lots of alcohol. Author Post nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/15/2007 2:26:47 PM   Globus it wasn't so much of an attack as a comparison. How long did you write most ladies before you went to visit them? I'm just curious. My stance all along is don't waste time with girls from agencies, especially if you are depending on them for the arrangements. Why would I fly to Ukraine just to open a book of good looking women and think I'm going to accomplish anything. It seems that the guys that have been successful have established relationships long before the trip and have severed the influence of the agency with the lady. Bored, only you know about the blue oyster bar. Seems to be your inclination since you made reference to SanFransicko. So knowing your persuasion, I'm sure you're the receiver in both orifices. Since your the cheapstake moron that flew ryanair and got sick from drinking the water in Ukraine. With you it is easy to see why the women kicked your sorry ass to the curb. They don't tolerate stupidity too much there. Globus Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/15/2007 4:29:59 PM   Nasfan the first girl I met I wrote to for a year, the second girl 5 months, and the third girl 8 months before I met them. I didn't just jump on a plane to go and meet them because I thought "they're hot and I might get lucky" or something like that, like I'm sure some men do (sex tourist guys) I really got to know them well first, or so I thought. I also met another girl that I talked to for 7 or 8 months too but because of circumstances with her family I never did get to spend much time with her and never really got to see what she was really like. Actually she was the only one of the 4 who seemed like she was not out for money at all and I wish I could have spent more time with her and got to know her better, but unfortunetly we kind of drifted apart before that could ever be realized. I could go into the whole elaborate story of how these girls turned out be liars who said they we're looking for love and relationships but mainly we're out for expensive shopping trips, fancy dinners and free holidays but I've talked about it on here in the past and really don't feel like getting into it again. I guess my point is you can burned by these girls even if you spend a long time talking to them and you have the best intentions in the world like me (just a guy looking for love that's all) They can be very good at lieing and hiding their real evil intentions from you. I'm sorry but it happens. But I will not say they are all bad because I still think there has to be some good ladies there, at least I hope there is. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/15/2007 5:36:03 PM   My feeling is to meet a girl I have been writing to within 3 to 4 months. In the beginning of my search I waited 6-9 months of letter writing to 'really' get to know girls. Doesn't work that way, letters are more an introduction to girl, I don't think now, that you really get to know her. Only, I mean only by meeting do you really know the girl. That is reason I try to meet sooner. It seemed to be a waste of time to me to wait such a long time to meet a girl. After such long letter writings...I find out she is not what I thought. I think what type of girl you are looking for can change your difficulty in search. Since I am looking for girl in 20's, I already know that I'll run into lots of girls that are not sincere but I will not settle, it has to be real.......love has no eyes. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/15/2007 11:29:30 PM   But the similar situation - between both Globus and beemer is that both THOUGHT that they were doing the sensible thing in their past experiences. They THOUGHT that by dedicating themselves to months of letter witing (in numerous situations for both of them) they could find sincerity. Globus rationalizes that to go meet them sooner, would indicate that he was a sex tourist type - so he was being careful to really get to know them. beemer has shortened the waiting period, feeling that he had been waiting TOO long. So now he STILL writes for 3 or 4 months on end before going. While I am sure that BOTH are sincere, thoughtful and intelligent guys - both, no matter how careful they have been with the weeding-out process, both have spent A LOT of money on trips (ALL travel to the FSU is expensive) and turned up with less than they hoped for. While letter writing SEEMS to be the careful approach is so often fails. Because the personal chemistry isn't there. Or because girls who might be able to lie through letters, suddenly are revealed in person. THAT is why I advocate Romance Tours (sorry guys, but I gotta get another plug in here). You spend just a littl emore than just a trip alone - but you avoid all of the months of hopeful (but ulimately fruitless) letter writing. Like I said - I went on just two Tours - and found two women. One I spent three years with. The other I hope to marry. I'm certainly happy. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/16/2007 12:47:37 AM   Jet...I think there is a lot of luck involved. You were blessed to meet your girls at socials and to have it proceed. It is mostly hit and miss. It could just as easily went the other way and you met a couple girls that you were not interested in or them not interested in you. I am constantly reviewing this process and am shorting up meeting periods. Next one is with girl I have only written to for only 2 months. Both of our techniques have their pluses and minuses and are not for everybody. I don't know if I would ever go to a tour social, it would be too uncomfortable for me but who knows what the future holds. As for trips being costly, I go to meet minimum of 2 girls and usually end up meeting more. Last trip I met up with 7. Each trip I do learn more about the FSU girls and about myself. Focusing on what I really want. So they are not only looking at a dollar amount. This trip coming up will probably the most telling. a couple may be second meetings. As for your tours...you have done great but what about the rest of guys...from your descriptions..they seem to be losers with the wrong attitude. I have not read very many posts other than yours of guys that had successes in socials. And I do not mean success as just meeting girls. By the way...do you get an e-mail I sent you.? nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/16/2007 12:49:03 AM   Jet I will have to disagree on a point you're making. Though letter writing isn't the be all to end all, you can get to know a person well and see what motivates them. Then you have to spend time communicating other than by email. Personal conversations, albeit with a translator does help, because, if you learn how they speak you can learn about inflection in their voice. Just recently someone posted about a woman who was talking to a waiter and she was pretty harsh with them, well that's their culture and method of speaking, not being spoiled and raising hell or having a tantrum. Many times I listened to my wife negotiate many things, room, flights, etc and it sounded, until you learn their speech patterns as if it's a knockdown drag out fight. What seems to have overtaken, the sick family member, visa, and plane ticket scams are, now getting the guys there first to attempt to fleece them. To much education out now about the other methodology of scams, now agency women, with I'm sure the support of the agency, the agenda has changed, get them here in the strange land then lure the bucks out of them. I'm almost of the complete thought now, if a girl doesn't want to give up on the agency, and work only the way you want to, it's time to give up on her. Maybe the timmys and the other guys there are more adroit and beneficial to guys now. Yeah, they may be in it for themselves and they should be, but I think they may provide a better trip than the agencys will. I'm still not sold on Romance tours, just for the fact that's not my personality, but there are many failures there also. Though there are not any guarantees in this search, I think men now have to rethink how they want to pursue ladies in the FSU. Remove the agency influence and I think you raise your chances significantly. If she doesn't want to do that, well look for one that will. anothermug Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/16/2007 3:59:58 AM   JC Gregory, Globus and others are on the money. Nasfan as usual is the voice in the wilderness crying out (and hoping) that these ladies are good, moral and honest. I still live in Ukraine and have found one lady that seems to be nuts about me. My total expense on her is still $3. She said she just wants to be friends, I said no I want more, so she readily agreed to my proposal. She catches a taxi to my place late at night, then another one home even later. She insists on paying for the cabs. She works long hours in a respectable customer based business in the centre. (I know the type of business but do not want to provide too much detail here). I asked where. She told me it is a “secret”. So even the good ones are mysterious and secretive. One has to take them as they are, or not bother at all. I have several fillies in my stable in terms of potential dates, I.e. I have had one or two dates with each one. Some are asleep till after noon - even the ones with jobs or university to attend. Usually, they do not bother to answer the phone or answer my SMS messages. In mid afternoon one or two still seem groggy and disorientated on the phone. If I call after 6 P.M,. too late they have made some other plan. This cooling weather seems to make them depressed and more nutty than usual. Fair enough, the summer lasted four hot months then it suddenly seems like winter a week later. Many young Ukrainian women are just plain crazy by Western measures. But they are young, attractive and unmarried without children. The older ones with children who should be realistic are equally odd and fussy. And older ones can be judging and critical. The older ones are waiting for Brad Pitt to knock on their door, then knock them up. The haughtiness is astounding. They prance about in expensive outfits with high heels competing with each other - but getting a man and babies is not what it is for, it is just to show off to other women. So in Darwinian terms the competition makes no sense at all. Most go home at night to a tiny rat hole by themselves and many will never have babies. A shame since they are so attractive. The Ukrainian woman who I took West and married is less nutty than most of the others here. But she was sneaky, conniving and insulting. Temper tantrums were rare because I will not abide that behavior. She said she would smash her mobile phone ($300 which I pad paid for like everything else she owned) - I said go ahead, I will not replace it. That seemed to calm her down. But insults - “don’t touch me’ etc were a daily routine. She was sadistic as far as using words go, and proud of it. I once said to her “If I spoke to you like you speak to me, how long would our relationship have lasted”. Her silence spoke volumes. She was a real hottie and I still wonder if I should have kept her a year or so longer - or until she dumped me for a trade up. Now, I will not tolerate direct insults or haughty behaviour from anybody even Ukrainian women. I prefer to be alone to living in an abusive relationship. There are many beautiful women (who speak good English) of good character here and I have met them. They all have boyfriends and tell me so. Girls of bad character see no reason to mention their boyfriend or husband when they accept a date with me. Nor do I care about their small oversight. Older Ukrainian women, say over 50, are usually very charming and of good character. They love to cook, spoil their man etc. I am considering making a pass at one or two such divorced women I know and success is almost certain. Their big fault is that they spoiled their own daughters rotten. God knows why they did this. I know several mother daughter combinations such as my own former wife, and the mother is invariably a good and moral person and the young one is somewhat selfish, spoiled, immoral, heartless and without empathy or compassion. After six months of chasing the wrong women such as Elena’s Princesses, now all the women I date I have met myself in the street, in shops or free sites over the internet. Not one has come from a paid marriage agency service. Yes I now drink more too, partly because the booze is so cheap. But I never drink vodka, and females of all ages here prefer guys that don’t touch the hard stuff. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/16/2007 5:03:22 AM   Agree with letter writing for aprox 2-3 months before meeting. There is no way you can really get to know the real person anymore than you would have - until you meet. After that, honesty comes in to play. Everything leading up to that point is a game. I wish I had written some of my real life girlfriends who I had tons of chemistry with, yet little in common otherwise. That's why I decided to go for Internet matching, instead of just wasting time with some local hot girl. ;0 jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/16/2007 10:07:47 AM   "....instead of just wasting time with some local hot girl. " apal - I doubt you've ever even MET a local hot girl - unless you rode your skateboard into one. And I have no doubt that if you ever HAD a girlfriend - she would have dumped you once she discovered the little personality you DO have. Your only chance (and even that isn't real) is to meet a "hotgirl" from a distance and hope to hell you can go as long as possible without her speaking the same language as you do - or meeting you. apal - all your bragging spells "loser". Nobody who is REAL has to talk about themselves like you do. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/16/2007 10:08:07 AM   "....instead of just wasting time with some local hot girl. " apal - I doubt you've ever even MET a local hot girl - unless you rode your skateboard into one. And I have no doubt that if you ever HAD a girlfriend - she would have dumped you once she discovered the little personality you DO have. Your only chance (and even that isn't real) is to meet a "hotgirl" from a distance and hope to hell you can go as long as possible without her speaking the same language as you do - or meeting you. apal - all your bragging spells "loser". Nobody who is REAL has to talk about themselves like you do. boredffukka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/16/2007 10:19:52 AM   Jetbum Writing the same article twice does not mean it makes more sense the second time around. Your above article was rubbish and your second repeat article was absolute rubbish. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/16/2007 10:29:04 AM   stupidfucka: So then you actually read it through twice? Good for you! dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/17/2007 7:37:55 AM   In answer to Jgregory on this matter i think from my own experience there some years ago with the ladies from that latitude that the temperament of Ukraine slavic ladies is generally accurate. Yes many of them have this tendency to explode over nothing but then i have met ladies from greece and sicily with this fault line in their personality.I guess it must be a mediterannean latitude thing. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/17/2007 9:07:37 AM   When they explode over nothing, you tell them to shut up and stop being stupid and don't put up with the nonsense and draw the line firmly on what you will and will not tolerate..this applies to all women! Exploding over nothing..temperamental silly women will not be tolerated by most Aussie guys as well as rudeness and abuse...especially in public places...its just not on! aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/17/2007 9:14:27 AM   When they explode over nothing, you tell them to shut up and stop being stupid and don't put up with the nonsense and draw the line firmly on what you will and will not tolerate..this applies to all women! Exploding over nothing..temperamental silly women will not be tolerated by most Aussie guys as well as rudeness and abuse...especially in public places...its just not on! PS: I have made no comments, negative or otherwise about fsu women because some of my so called "learned comrades" here think I am an idiot and don't know nothing and I will not lower myself into an insult hurling contest here! zeeco Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/17/2007 11:49:54 AM   The key, is to treat your woman the same way from day one, too many blokes let there woman get her own way all the time at the beggining of the relationship, then try to put a stop to it, far better to nip it in the bud early on, that way it avoids arguments. My girl was the same with me from day one, when it came to going down the pub, she said don't be longer than 1.5 hours and don't come home drunk......Oh well,you can't win em all nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/17/2007 7:30:52 PM   Gee it's good to see the Mike00 can write in plain english. boredffukka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/17/2007 7:31:21 PM   I agree with the first poster Jgregory on this subject ,also aussieman is correct with his good solid advice on this matter. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/18/2007 6:24:38 AM   BoredMultiplefukka, How many personalities are you using to communicate with yourself on this forum now? I did like the Stevenb, Gregx and Boredfukka conversation you had with yourself some time back. Pretty entertaining. Aussieman, some of us just don't think we have documented proof. Now I see why you have difficulty with women. Telling them to shut up? Wow, my Ukrainian wife never has had a temper tantrum, maybe that has to do with me treating her with respect from the beginning. I'm still waiting for her to bury me financially. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/18/2007 8:53:54 PM   It sounds like your ukraine woman is in total control over you, nasfan and that your tip toeing around her like gently treading on egg shells...heavan forbid if you make her mad or upset her because you won't do what she wants! Ukraine woman are known to be very argumentative and control freaks! My ex was a control freak too.You can't live in a relationship like that, long term as most men will become sick of it and resent the control she tries to ursurp over you! Let a woman control me!...no way...its a two way street and sometimes you have to correct her..they are not right all the time but don't tip toe through the tulips with them all the time like it seems your doing, Nasfan! Nassy, your woman probably tells you when to mow the lawn and cancel your golf game! Have some back bone, she is not gonna crumble or suffer a pyschological break down if you tell her to "shut up" when she does something or carries on to the point where it is absolutely irritating, behaving stupid, talking nonsense ( and most women do experience what I call "a stupid phase" every month just before and during the time they bleed as all the hormones become "unbalanced" and they can become absolutely annoying ). Your piss weak, Nasfan..stand up too her..don't let her walk all over you as it will be your downfall in the end and you will become miserable in the longer term! Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Russian brides women - Now i know why russian men drink lots of alcohol.
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