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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Met Ukrainian Gal, So far, So Good! Author Post Badpenny Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/2/2007 8:04:04 PM   Hi Truth, Glad you are here to participate. I am wondering, if looking deep in your heart can you or anyone (Man or woman) REALLY make a life changing decision based on only 3 meetings? It will be an emotional, not logical decision. Wouldn't you prefer to date or live together for several months or visits instead? 25 years ago I married someone I met through correspondence (She was well versed in English, College educated, Cute, sweet, we discussed everything for a year in letters.), did all the visa stuff, etc. and unfortunately only spent a couple weeks together, chaperoned (yes a different country), we had exchanged (40) multipage letters through normal mail over a year period of time before meeting in person. I thought I knew everything about her and her family. Within 2 years I realized I made the wrong decision as we did not get along well, our conversations became superficial (unlike deep ones in correspondence), in 4 years I was stuck with the unplanned pregnancy. The person I thought I married was NOT the person I married, and it was not in bad faith on her part at all, she did not need a green card, etc. She threatened to take our child back "home" and never return, the laws to stop this were not in place at the time, so I stayed in an tried and tried, couples counseling, I mean everything. We just never got along well as friends after the "honeymoon" period. I kept optimistic, but further problems with the in-laws moving in, etc. I was unable to leave or divorce her and was miserable within 9 years, I finally had another woman convince me to leave and I left after 19 years and now 25 years later 5 years of the divorce proceedings continue and $120,000 in attorneys fees to end this mess. We accumulated alot, saved our money, etc. but since she is the scorned woman- she has campaigned to ruin me financially. I screwed up the best years of my life by being too impulsive at age 24. Sure I made the best of it- but corresponding without dating in person and living together was a major mistake. The only reason I mention all this is that I attribute this major life mistake to NOT SPENDING enough time up front. In hindsight, I should have moved to her country, lived there (but living together was not an option). I am optimistic to try this again, but will invest alot of my time and effort in person and at the "gate" before proceeding seriously. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/2/2007 10:08:55 PM   Penny, did you know the divorce rate is much higher for couples who lived together before marriage as opposed to those that never lived together? Closer to 60%. Doesn't make sense but can't doubt the numbers. Sorry about your divorce problems, I got lucky and amicable divorce. Badpenny Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/3/2007 12:10:56 AM   Beemer, I have not read that stat before- that seems ironic. Yes, thank god you settled early. Be thankful, I am badly beaten up but not dead yet. Her BF is a lawyer so you get the picture. My exit strategy from her was impulsive too, hence my problems. Ideally, if I could find someone that would not mind living together and not immigrating that would be the best. Done that for 4 years... But that is asking alot of a younger woman in addition to age bracket and "no kids" issue. Truth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/3/2007 7:00:57 AM   Hello Badpenny Of course u are right that 3 meetings cannot give 100 per cent of success….as when we are in love or communicate through internet we create “ an image” , unfortunately reality and imagination coincide very seldom…. Is there a way out? I do not think so….;) Now I communicate with a guy from USA for about 2 months, almost every day, 3 -4 hours a day ;), but I do realize that I see what I want to see, and I realize that in real life when we meet it can be not what we both imagine… so that is a question to take a risk or not…. What kind of logical decision people can take when they are in love? ;-) Maybe men ;-) as for women afraid it is not possible ;-) As for dating and living with your partner….good idea ;-) But….I was dating with a local guy for 2 months, than 2 years we lived together, than we married ….in 2 months we separated… So lottery… ;-) Anyway I hope that we will find what we search for no matter how difficult it will be, who told us that it would be easy? ;-) Have a nice day ;-) Badpenny Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/3/2007 5:14:46 PM   Hi Truth, If I can ask this forum is anonymous... What happened after 2 years that you lived together? I assume one fo the following: Indifference, infidelity, lack of common interests, no intimacy or inadequate/boring intimacy, money, outside influences (in-laws), not enough balance or time spent together? That one live-in experience should not dampen your spirit, smile, count it as a learning experience and stay positive! All humans have problems caused by emotions from arguments to wars. Most decisions and actions are based upon satisfying ones ego and and emotions... NOT logic. Being too emotional is why both men and women get manipulated too. Everyday above ground is a good day! kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/3/2007 7:55:49 PM   truth, lottery not so much, I'm yet to be married. sometimes people don't think straight and use the idea of marriage to fix a problem, try i guess to bring back the past. how it makes it worse, yes. i have noticed with women its not love that drives bad decisions here in new zealand, they use it as a excuse, its been alone again. but once married some think (men) its an ownership of some sort. or some think its just what you do. my thinking, marriage is a compliment to one or the other, that is all, when you need something bigger to say then i love you. two years is a good length of time to understand a person, its my point of time when i sit down and think is this for me. not marriage or is this tipical how a man thinks, dont no! Truth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/4/2007 2:45:49 PM   Kiwinorth, To say “ I love you” not very difficult, to show your love with actions is more difficult ….but to save Love during the whole life….--- that requires a lot of patience, wisdom, and desire… All the best ;-) kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 2:50:45 AM   Truth, yes but if i said to someone "go away", thats also not differcult but you better go away:)) a man is only as good as his word so how good is the man "or women"! of couse words are the least important, but also the most important:)) all the best to you to:) anothermug Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 4:30:32 AM   It is clear to me that posting the unvarnished truth on this board is a waste of effort. The cheerleaders loudly drown out the naysayers. Yet it used to be the other way around here. Beware - some cheerleaders may be agency owners and stooges making up fake posts about their wonderful FSU fiancé/wife. Guys, go ahead and have delivered your $60 flowers where the monthly wage is $200. Take your “lady” 5 star to the Caribbean to be in “neutral territory”. Boast how your FSU lady girlfriend/fiancé cooks meals therefore all FSU women are good ladies. My Ukrainian ex also cooked meals. Sheesh. I now have found a good Ukrainian lady and already said so here. That does not make all Ukrainian women good ladies. Especially those hot young ones met on pay per meeting marriage agencies, with staff translators in on all the dodgy practices. BTW, if you spend a lot of money on a Ukrainian woman, she will think you are a fool. So the gift of flowers is just the first step down an expensive path to misery. Beware of the “sunk costs fallacy”. I made that mistake and it cost me a bundle. Think about it guys. The marriage agency business is one of the most dubious anywhere. It is all about peddling you ”happiness” with a permanent relationship. Yet the agency knows that most of their women have no such intention with a Western guy. Many do want to get the hell out and will marry a gorilla (for 2 years maximum) to get away. Many do not want to leave the FSU. Some hot women do not even know they are listed on the sites. The risks are very high, the costs astronomical. Don’t forget that your hot lady who got your $60 flowers may have received the exact same bunch from ten other guys. Quite likely she got some cash as a commission and never even kept the flowers, in many cases. Just posed for the photo - maybe just once for the ten different guys. Use a flower delivery company, not a marriage agency. Same for apartment rentals. If you use a marriage agency, or a lady you have never met, you will pay an inflated price. Do not believe the propaganda myths and fantasy. Be patient. It took me six months full time living in Ukraine to find my good lady who is attracted to me and also does not need my money. Also she is not desperate to leave Ukraine and go West. I met dozens of gold diggers, pro daters, no shows. Elena’s Models was a big waste of time and money for me - pro dater central. Probably three months wasted using that company. Ukraine Wife Now cheated and defrauded me. Thus I decided go it alone on free sites only, or meet ladies in the street, shops etc. The first snow is falling today. Maybe happiness can be found not in neutral territory, but in her territory. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 9:09:45 AM   another mug, You're still talking shite: Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, get a life, Ukraine is one tiny part of the FSU, whilst recent times on this forum may indicate that men are only heading for Ukraine it's a very big FSU so stop just talking about Ukraine and Ukrainians. You say to beware of 'stooges' talking of their fiance/wife but then you continue on to talk of your 'ggod lady', are you a stooge anothermug? Is it a crime that a man has an international relationship? Yes, flower delivery is expensive by Ukrainian wages but you're not on Ukrainian wages so that is an irrelevent comparison to make. $60 for flowers once in a blue moon is bugger all to pay and if you're complaining about $60 then I would question if you've actually managed to find a lady, if a lady wants a pauper then there are plently in her own back yard. If you might be referring to me as an agency stooge then yes I have a friend who owns an agency, I make no secret of it and indeed I talk about it, but I am no stooge, I do not try to vend that agency's services and indeed bearing in mind that so many guys are 'all talk' and never bother to travel I'd probably become unpopular with my agency friend for referring time-wasters when she has more work that she can deal with at the moment. ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 9:14:12 AM   anothermug, $60 what I'd expect. A marriage agency isn't really in the flower bussiness, its an added extra. Your paying extra as its made easy. Its like paying to extra for overseas calls from a hotel. If you want to save a few dollars don't buy from an agency, shop around, nobody is stopping you. But saying it a scam is stupid, its just business. Nobody says its easy. ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 9:31:43 AM   anothermug, how about you post info on how someone can send flowers to someone in the FSU for under $60. Truth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 9:50:12 AM   Hi ;-) To anothermug Average salary in Ukraine is more than 200 $ , in Odessa from 300 – 500 per month, depends on the position u take, and I know a lot of women that earn 1000 – 1500 $ …. Have a nice day Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 9:55:19 AM   I recall sending flowers to a lady in Uzbekistan once, it was her birthday, I cannot recall how much it cost but I didn't consider it expensive and I ordered a miniature rose plant. What p1ssed me off was that they delivered something totally different, just a plant off the shelf, of course it was written in the small print that they could do such a thing but had they told me a rose plant was not available then I would have sent cut roses. I decided then never to rely upon FSU flower delivery again and with my now wife there was a time when something had happened, I had never sent how flowers previously, and I wanted/needed to cheer her up so I just phoned her best friend, told her to organise 25 red roses, and I Western Union'd best friend just short of $100 which is what the roses cost. $60 just ain't worth complaining about except to a pauper. How much is it going to cost to send flowers to your next door neighbour, probably more than $60! ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 10:31:20 AM   ..and even if the flowers cost $3 over there, you need to know someone to buy them and have them delivered. If you send them $3 via western union or by bank transfer it would cost you $15 to send anything under $100. So at a mimimum your looking at $20 (for very basic flowers), thats asumming you can get someone to do it for free and when you want. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 10:58:08 AM   And if you live in a currency that ain't a USD or euro then you have to pay Western Union's extortionate exchange rates to send USD's or euros! Billo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 6:06:00 PM   I think many of you are to cheap to even contemplate doing this. Billo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 6:13:40 PM   You have to be able to support and visit her mom. and you can not count on her being able to make any significant money in the US. Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 8:01:38 PM   When I read of the cost of sending flowers I would like to ask this. What is more expensive. Spending 25 to 60 dollars on flowers and finding out your lady does not exist or buying a $4000 trip to find out. Not to mention getting a photo of her now. Granted dependable delivery services are sometimes difficult to find in all locations. Cindy agency does a good job in their locations and is the most reasonable priced I have found. The Angelika network does a good job but they make the lady come to their office to pick up the delivery. roses ru does a good job in cities not serviced by the first two agencies. I always ask if photo is capable prior and if they say it is I have always received a photo. I stay away from russianflora they will tell you you will get a photo but seldom deliver one. Excuse is always their man does not have a camera. I have ordered 8 deliveries with photos from them and received one photo out of the eight. I have heard the excuse that you cannot send flowers because you do not have her address. I should not even address this. If you are writing to a lady and do not have her address I would venture to say you are probably not writing to a lady at all. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 8:51:30 PM   'If you are writing to a lady and do not have her address I would venture to say you are probably not writing to a lady' Well Oz....I am 26 for 26 in not having an address and actually talking to a lady. If I had to be getting address and actually checking them out( why get an adddress if you don't, it would just be numbers and name)I would spend all my time doing that. I try to figure out if girl is real through letters, phone and meeting. Flowers is one way to find out if lady is real. I get my addresses if I am actually going to visit her or maybe visit. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Met Ukrainian Gal, So far, So Good!
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