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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > interesting insight into the FSU dating game ... Author Post Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2008 4:06:14 AM   Do not pay money to an agency that does not at least display it's address and other contact information on it's website, then run the phone number and address thru google to establish how many other businesses are, or have been, run from that same contact information. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2008 9:45:52 AM   Good investigative advice Martin...also I applies to checking out girls e-mail and home addresses for scam listings/dishonesty/gold digging offences. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2008 7:19:48 PM   Aussie> These websites that allow these agencies to participate have to give a lot of personal details. They do not like being scammed. Because remember, these websites are paying those scam-agencies good money. They take it personally. Because scams are the #1 reason a lot of men don't participate in agencies. Abuse is commonplace, but so are girls getting taken offline as soon as its reported. I've seen this firsthand and the agency is fined. I know this from personal first-hand experience. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2008 7:22:03 PM   Martin> Agreed, usually you can request information about the agency's contact info from Anastasia and Armyofbrides. I do this to make sure I don't write the same girls in the same agency in the past, but its also to make sure I can have someone check on it if I need to, should something be amiss. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2008 8:57:48 PM   Apal and others, this is Irinas actual profile that will make men run away from her, although practical in some aspects it reads like poison! Description: I am a 25 year old woman, never married from Krivoy Rog city in Ukraine. I like to keep healthy and do active rest. I don`t like lazy man who drink too much or do nothing or melancholy life or man who sits on computer too much. I look for healthy and sufficient man 175cm or taller for long relationship and romantic meeting and maybe marriage. He must be from United States or other good West countries. Ideal match description: He must be healthy man and enough money to live. He must not be fat, lazy and have no bad habit. His age from 35 to 55 years. I don`t want poor man who can not give because not enough money cause lots of quarrels and bad relationship There is a bit extra I know..she won't her old man to very active and play football..how many 40 to 50S men do that? It is very practical and straight to the point but too scarry..it will drive men away, found on datemefree.org a Ukraine site based agency. ps: I love the can not give part, its scarry, how much does she want?...seems everything and anytime she desires and if you can't deliver as a man you are out the door and what I know if you want sex you will have to pay deraly for it to earn it.. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2008 4:14:04 AM   Apal, Well it's not actually 'rocket science' :) I recall during my dating days of finding myself looking at different websites with all their price lists and methods of payment, but try to source the contact information, sometimes it would not be there at all except perhaps an email address, if one was considered lucky there might be a mobile phone number, and I could just imagine trying to make a claim with the credit card company afterwards where one needs to complete a form giving all this information that is actually absent! What is the address of the company you paid $$$ to? Uh, I don't know :) beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2008 2:02:51 PM   Aussie...after reading Irinas profile...I have a question, Why did you even bother writing her? You definately are not what she is looking for.....What I like best is the part that she doesn't like men that sits on computer too much!!!!! ))) apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2008 7:25:01 PM   Martin> Yup, being an Internet consultant that knows about Legal Review as it pertains to Privacy Information and Contact Information - it is the very first thing I look for. A street address is much better than any PO BOX by 100 times. Aussie> Got to agree with Beemer, wtf where you thinking? ;p Did you just want to experience excruciating pain? Or did she have a warm and friendly profile when you first contacted her? ;p If she did, I can relate, because I did mention how my very first penpal/meeting girl lied about every single word in her profile (besides liking scuba diving). After forgiving her for lying about me demanding sex during our meeting, I found I couldn't tolerate her after she finally admitted that ever single letter we had ever written was a complete lie too. And she wondered why I wounded her soul when I couldn't accept her... she was only 19 and had a body that would have made you cry... apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2008 7:27:34 PM   PS> Dont ask my why I forgave her for lying to the agency about me, but I did, and I was one week away from ordering the tickets for the second meet. She was that hot... ;p aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2008 2:21:30 AM   Beemer, that was not the profile I read on poor Irina when I did the first intro letter, the one I read was much nicer and more simplistic, this one does write to more than one man, they all do that and its their right to improve their chances, you are never the one and only man she writes too in any of this business so don't deceive yourselves. The more horrid profile I found on her was much latter on and posted much latter on and after that I pulled the plug, that profile was found after the darts, her letters were short and sweet but these girls don't write long letters, a whole page for them is like writing a novel and they don't do it..your lucky if you get a quarter page or a 10 liner out of them, they simply don't open up and reveal themselves in letters and they remain closed up at the personal meetings too, so I have heard and its the culture too...say little so as not to spoil her chances and cause badluck but if they did open up, its often a shock, they come across cold, hard and rude to us buts thats there normal everyday behaviour, they don't even say hello or thankyou to shop attendants when getting served apparently as its not in their culture to do that and I found that quite rude...Irina or another typical Ukraine girl, especailly the younger ones can be really up themselves and come across rude to us, she would have needed extensive re-education to the Australian etiquette of proper social behaviour when out ( I would ahve to teach her to say "please" and "thankyou" and "Hello, how are you today" ) so that she would not come across rude and stuck up if she came to live in Australia as us Aussies don't like or appreciate rude people, when someone says "Hello" to you and you give no remark or remain silent as this is normal Ukr woman behaviour, it is considered very rude and ignorant here..people who behave like that are often called an "ingnoramus"! aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2008 2:45:31 AM   Beemer, that was not the profile I read on poor Irina when I did the first intro letter, the one I read was much nicer and more simplistic, this one does write to more than one man, they all do that and its their right to improve their chances, you are never the one and only man she writes too in any of this business so don't deceive yourselves. The more horrid profile I found on her was much latter on and posted much latter on and after that I pulled the plug, that profile was found after the darts, her letters were short and sweet but these girls don't write long letters, a whole page for them is like writing a novel and they don't do it..your lucky if you get a quarter page or a 10 liner out of them, they simply don't open up and reveal themselves in letters and they remain closed up at the personal meetings too, so I have heard and its the culture too...say little so as not to spoil her chances and cause badluck but if they did open up, its often a shock, they come across cold, hard and rude to us buts thats there normal everyday behaviour, they don't even say hello or thankyou to shop attendants when getting served apparently as its not in their culture to do that and I found that quite rude...Irina or another typical Ukraine girl, especailly the younger ones can be really up themselves and come across rude to us, she would have needed extensive re-education to the Australian etiquette of proper social behaviour when out ( I would ahve to teach her to say "please" and "thankyou" and "Hello, how are you today" ) so that she would not come across rude and stuck up if she came to live in Australia as us Aussies don't like or appreciate rude people, when someone says "Hello" to you and you give no remark or remain silent as this is normal Ukr woman behaviour, it is considered very rude and ignorant here..people who behave like that are often called an "ingnoramus"! Hence, the problems when these girls do go to a Western country, they have to change there ways and what they think is normal behaviour and adapt to a new society with rules because by behaving rude and not having manners alienates them and makes it that much harder to settle in a new country, many return back home when the 3 month fiance visa is up as they don't like and the old country is better for them...according to US INS immigration statistics on K1 visas in 2003, something like 80% of FSU K1 visas brides did not follow through on marriage to there US sponsors/husband wannabes and went back home after 3 months, I mean WTF?...why you waste thousands on this in the first place as most and chances are, you will get dumped or refused before you get to the altar after she arrives in your country and has a holiday on you before she pisses off back home..I mean WTF ? is that about, thank God thats not happenned to me but happens to lots of men who do this..I would be so furious and ropeable about it, utterly pissed off and heartbroken at the same time, there simply is nothing worse when this happens to a man..except divorce! Irina was one of those that if she could she would take a "holiday on you" and then dump you before you got to the altar ( even though things have been arranged ) and go back home..she is a heartbreaker and timewaster, thats why I pulled the plug and said I did not suit her ( very few men will suit her as she is too picky and fussy )..you get all the gut feelings as the evidence slowly shows up and presents itself..rarely do you see it all first off, you find out as you go along in this game, the red flags slowly pop up, telling you in the end to pull up..the writing was on the wall before a personal meeting with her, what a typical Ukraina slut! aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2008 9:10:07 AM   Hey Martin, I can be a "one trip wonder", I could go and meet Irina of Krivoy Rog and get rejected by her, the fussy thing, then I would not go again but I am not going as I have a local girl...I am the zero trip wonder and yoda wannabe. In her latest and horror profile, the headline title is "Irina...nice girl" but what reads underneath needs an entry into the dictionary of fussiness and in your face requirements! Maybe she is a nice girl...her body is very nice, sugar and spice but the personality and attitude is that of a bitter lemon or it could be the past men she has had have been pricks to her and she demands a lot more of potential future suitors...she seemed to be a strange, unrevealing girl, I called her a mystery girl, I questioned her realness early in 07 and got a photocopy e-mail of her Ukraine passport, it appears real and not doctored checked against scam sites and pics of authentic Ukraine passports and pages and the pic in it matches her agency pics..it was a younger pic but the same person. Mystery girls that don't reveal or say much about themselves in letters but latter on you find they have personalities and demands you can't stand or abide by...how long can you suck a lemon before you spit it out? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2008 11:07:36 AM   aussieman, I was a 'one trip wonder' once myself, in circa 2001, and that's perhaps why I laugh at other guy(s) attempting to follow a similar path. Unfortunately I wasn't rejected, I wish I had of been, I was an idiot then and the best thing that could happen would be for others to learn (not that they ever will) before it's too late. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2008 11:12:18 AM   I view my last experience with Irina as a wake up call...she only made brief replies to my letters and I think she did it out of "politeness" in her own way..I e-mailed my photos and said about myself, family and life which she said was "interesting" but I think that was her way of being "polite" again. In her latest profile she also mentions she "drinks often" and in the other one does not drink, "drinks often" is what my step-mother used to do, a piss pot that drank like a fish and the drink made her stupid and turned her into a female version of Dr. Jekyll, the very idea of "drinks often" puts me off because I don't want a woman that drinks like a fish and gets drunk often..it reminds me too much of the drunken twat that is step-mother ( only kidney problems and chronic auto immune disease scaladerma ended her drinking 6 years ago and she is one very sick dog )..I am against excessive drinking and alcoholism, it destroys lives and realtionships and is common in Eastern European families..I should know, I come from one and seen so many others, even my funeral director who does many E.E funeras said people of this ethnic origin who handled my Mums funeral, said alcoholism and dysfunctional relationships is very common in Eastern Europeans, its an old story, he has buried many E.E people from broken and dysfunctional families that have been destroyed or badly damaged by alcoholism. ( alocoholism from my father and a dysfunctional relationship with Mum broke my family up when I was very young )..thats why I don't like woman who "drinks often"..it is the biggest turnoff and I don't like woman who smokes either, can't stand it and a lot of Ukraine/E.E young girls smoke but don't admit it in their agency profiles..thats a turn off too..if I want to marry a chimney I will bond with the smoke stack down at the local Shell Oil Refinery!...I would refuse to spend money and pay for cigarettes to fund a womans disgusting habit! Kirkland Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2008 11:48:56 AM   So what's the problem? Forget her and move on. I'd be interested in the statistics of men who simply can't take a hint. Women are the same everywhere when it comes down to it. If you can't get it on with a hottie in your own country what makes you think a Ukrainian hottie is going to make an effort for you? I agree; these girls are quite closed in personality...they don't give much away....that is unless they like you. From what you decribe Irina is dynamite. What do you do with dynamite? You play with it and throw it away before it blows up and cuases real damage. The statistics you quote of girls returning home when the visa runs out...all I have to say about that is that these guys are lucky. Imagine what it would be like being married to a girl who doesn't want to be married to you. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2008 4:57:08 PM   aussieman, You are reading too much into a profile, OK I'll try not to go there regarding your non-travel, but a profile is like advertising a car in perfect order but when one may go to look at it there may be a problem with the timing and some scratches to the bodywork. Indeed there was a time, when my then girlfriend, now wife, split up and her profile appeared on the internet, when I saw it I just p1ssed myself laughing, I knew that her best friend, rather than her, must have written it and when I telephoned her to laugh about it she was laughing more than I was with what she had supposedly said about herself ..... I still take the p1ss out of her about it :) Let's face it, no guy is ever going to read a profile if the picture(s) accompanying it do not suit, but don't read too much into it, write to the lady, clarify important points for oneself, then perhaps jump on a plane ..... except a Qantas plane with a frigging great hole in the side of it! apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2008 5:21:44 PM   Aussie> I'm curious to see her profile if you get brave one day to post it. ;p Kirkland> Agreed... Aussie? wtf man? You wrote a girl a few times and sent her some $50 darts, wtf? ;p You didn't send ($100-$150) flowers every week for a couple of months, fly across the world to meet a complete psychotic, narcissitic, pathological liar with borderline personality disorder and a vindictive streak that would shock the living hell out of you like I did. Imagine meeting a sweet, innocent looking 18 yr old girl with the purest and cutest smile turning into a glaring, mean-looking girl the moment you tell her your not a multi-millionare with mansions and villas and a dozen exotic sports cars... Let alone have that same girl you flew to meet accuse you of attempted rape to the Central Agency (Armyofbrides.com) the moment you asked the same website to have her correct all the obvious (proven) lies in her original profile. ;p Omfg Aussie. I can only imagine if what actually had happened to me... had happened to you... and it all set you back $15k for what? ;p A second attempt to marry the same girl? because she happened to have the hottest bod and you found out you really thought everything was a misunderstanding because of our undying passions for one another? ;p That stupid event happened to me, but you don't see me (okay - once a year maybe) rap on about it. Lots better and even prettier girls than her out there with awesome hot figures too. ;-p She was extremely hot though. ;p apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2008 5:28:25 PM   And its like I said in another topic, love and mutual attraction can definately get a girl to change her mind on her expectations... but only after time goes by and the reality of their situation sets in. And I don't agree with that 80% k1 visa failure rate on the 3-month visit. Maybe some disgruntled person probably spouted that statistic off, because I can't find anything close to that stat on the Internet. People like to agree with falsified or exaggerated figures if it agrees with their viewpoint. Please find that statistic and lets start a new topic on it for sh*ts and grins. ;p Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > interesting insight into the FSU dating game ...
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