mate you should not have any grief visitor visa i brought girl hear to aussie in 2001 it was drawn out id never do it again -she hated the joint - cant say i blame her !
political correct cesspit
after 4 days she wanted to go home after 9 days i think she was contemplating suicide they either love it ( why _) or hate it!!!! quiet a few hear all up i put money on Her bank $3k
( yes nasfan you poverty stricken bum - we hear have 3k but you will to give your last 2 cents to george bush to bale out depression america lol )
so mate the guy trying to get his girl hear if you have any grief mail to my home address il give you all the dope on it .
my whole episode bringing a girl to hear air fares visa embassy fees $$ to her bank cost me all up in 2001 just on $7200.
but 3k was banking money so you know $4200 all up and that was the worst thing i ever did in my life .
i wish you luck but it is still ----bringing a poverty girl to a place where they may go crazy on the $$$ front.
personally i would never do it again bring anybody from eastern europe to shit pit australia ( i cant even think of a scammer i hate bad enough to do that too ) - it really opens up a can of worms .
my mate hear is a JP 57 HOOKED UP WITH AND OLD BOILER FROM KAZAN MARRIED HER HEAR -HE WAS A RICH MAN ----NOW THERE ARE RITCHER MEN QUED UP AT THE SALVOS VAN FOR A PIE IN THE PARK.
SHE BROKE HIM -ITS NOT BRINGING THEM HEAR THAT BREAKS YOU
BUT THEY WANT 5 TRIPS A YEAR HOME TO MUMA AND THE RELLIES THEY BLEED YOU TO DEATH !
5 TRIPS X 4K A TIME ------------LOOK UNLESS YOU ROBBING BANKS FOR A CAREER = FORGET IT AY .
THEY LOSE THE RUBLE MENTALITY REAL QUICK
YOU MAKE A ROD FOR YOUR BACK -------ITS BAD ENOUGH ENOUGH GETTING BLED THERE BUT HELL TAKE ABOUT BRINGING CORRUPT TO YOUR BED IN AUSSIE -THEY CHANGE LIKE LIGHTNING - HEY I WAS 200K A YEAR JOB IN 2001 -=
BUT 60 DAYS WITH PRETTY ASS HEAR --AFTER THAT 60 DAYS I WAS HEADING INTO REAL FINANCIAL TROUBLE -THEY GO BESERK CAN'T HELP EMSELVES .
MINE WAS RACKING UP BILLS ALL ROUND TOWN AND MY MATES ONE DID THE SAME
THEY FORGET YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR IT !!!! ---------IT DOES NOT REGISTER WITH EM???
MY MATE GUY AGED 57 SENDING HIS BACK NEXT MONTH --WITH A RETURN TO SENDER STICKER ATTACHED TO IT ITS COST HIM OVER 350K ( IN 25 MONTHS ) ---------54 YEAR OLD BOILER AND YOU WOULD PARK THE ENTIRETY OF THE RUSSIAN FLEET IN ITS TWAT --HE SAID I MUST BE MAD !
THEY GO ALL TEARY PLAY GAMES ''AGE SHALT NOT WEARY THEM'' ! BLED HIM TO DEATH OVER 50 EXCUSES THE FIRST 9 MONTHS AS TO WHY HE SHOULD FLOG HIS HOUSE AND GIVE ALL TO THE 59 RELATIVES HE'D NEVER MET ---( THIS ENDS THE MYTH THAT SCAM ONLY COMES WITH THE UNDER 30'S )
BEST OF LUCK MATE BE CAREFULL !
SIBERIAN THOUGH --------YOU COULD NOT HAVE PICKED A BETTER WOMAN --SIBERIANS MORE EARTHY ( THEY STILL THINK THE WARS ON ( AND A MOBILE?? IS A BLOKE DELIVERING LEAF LETS ) --SHE MAY COST YOU VERY LITTLE IN LIFE )
GOOD WOMEN SIBERIANS GOOD SORTS TOO -- I THINK MUCH MORE LOYAL THAT OTHER AREAS OF RUSSIA .
KEEP EM AS ''WC FIELDS SPOKE'' ----WOMANS LIKE A MUSHROOM!!! SIT IT IN THE CORNER FEED IN BULLSHIT --TELL EM NOTHING !
JUST KEEP HER ON THE SEWING MACHINE & TELL HER YOUR A BEGGAR FOR GOD SAKE !( IF YOU DONT -------SHE WILL TURN INTO ONE !)
DONT MAKE MY MISTAKE BMW AND A $20 CIGAR ---IT DONT WORK
TO THEM THATS A ''COME IN SPINNER TICKET ''
MIKE00
PS I WAS SOCHI 3 TIMES 1--STAR JOINT AY NO SAND JUST ROCKS hotel was a dive! didnt matter how much money i had i could not buy style / comfort there !!
peeva reeva - fish and beer ohh boy it was ok i spoke but i'd not send home postcards !!
more crumpoet there though that ever came out of tip top bakeries but all broke on the hunt ! be nice to find a bird one day in russia
says darling me want take you out ! buy you meal beer everyting !!!! the day i hear that il drop dead ay !
ive never heard it that or seen it ! be a first if it ever happens in our lives iam sure .
mike 00
Mike the sheep a little more nervous now that you are back in town for an extended period of time???
Sorry Pal not poverty stricken here.Doing just fine. Maybe you and Danny can get together and start a school on how to treat women. You're both a pair. Hell you might be relatives. I know spelling is out of your league.
Mike00 has been long enough in FSU's countries, (he speak and write fluent Russian) so his personal experiences are reality, also (I hope he does not mind me say that) he write books (in English) for a living, his "misspelling" are fun and quite readable and obviously you (nasfan) understand what he say perfectly, I am not quite sure why the spelling is such an issue around here... and let's not touch the issue of how to treat a woman... judging from some of savagery I see written from some of the "members" in this forum it will be a wast of time talking about
Quasi i will finish my book on russian deciet i started it 15 months back but i had other book projects along with jaunting off to russia each few months iam actually 86 pages into it its my story how i lived with my girls from september 10th 2005 to april 2008 ( they were the bad years )
its a real eye opener !
pics ! colour the girls myself , the tours around russia and out of russia , the deciet my god - for a basicaly uneductated race they really did have it all worked out
there is a section in there where my aussie mate took justice into his own hands he got robbed ohh of course .
so he jumped a plane tracked her down to cheboksary -dragged her from flat like a rag doll bang bang bang down the steps
gave her the pasting of her life -he got all his $$$ back - if not she would be dead .
mind you this man is 188 cm no fear at all .
i think if a few more of us done this --the word would eventually get around it can only help us.
vigilanti is the only method left when words are spent - to coin a phrase i got square with mine i sent crooked militia i paid em to her door 1 in the morning all occupants were beaten senceless .
sorry committ the crime - do the time in 1` way or another.
interesting book mine tried kill me with poison in july 2007 but i seen it coming ( they trust these birds??? = you have to be joking !)
Mike, you can make a series of books about this subject.. )) , living here is an eye opener, but it is getting better.... maybe because there are not many foreigner coming anymore...... I always wonder how to get some real statistic about relations and marriages in the FSU countries with western men, but also there are so many honest a great women around, but you don't see them in a dating site too much. Despite all, no matter what, it is worth the try and men get a good experience, I suppose speaking of my personal experience and also like other married men with FSU women in this forum there is a good chance to get the right one........
what a load of drivel. Second most cowardly thing a man can do is beat a woman, First is to pay someone to do it. Monada you are the ultimate airhead and so full of shit. I can't believe what a bunch of guys would sit around and read this trash. You all must run with some low lifes. Or lack character yourselfs.
Quasi, you're a joke along with your wife. To sit in support of such a cowardly bastard. To hire someone to knock around some broad. Yeah, I can understand why she tried to poison you Mike. Yeah great books I bet. There right there next Lew Wallace and Tolstoy. The moderators ought to blot out this whole thread, or they might be legally implicated. You people need to really take a look at yourselfs.
No nasfan your speaking out of school mate - your not dealing with a rational race hear ! your dealing with soviet.
life is worth about $11 around about ! if you view stats this year until july 39 westerners had been attacked in ukraine and iam told 4 have died .
equals = gee thanks for the memories huh !
no sorry you fight - fire with fire mate --this aint no hard done by ! race of folks !
this is a race that made the bed of deciet ( chose to lay in it ) .
everybody is in charge of own destiny - so lets not paint all pink ay !
My books sell hundreds each month = why? - because i tell it as it is -whats seen is whats spoken !( the truth sells !)
Nasfan as much as we dont get on ! i do agree with about 20% of your diatribe ( at least i give you some credit ) - where as you appear to get a ''set ;; on a person and go down a total 1000% damnation trail on them - showing no mercy !
Give a little bit of room hear mate --have a look around you in this country ''Russia '' do you see the perfect world !!!!
Be a liar if you claimed you did !
In reference to getting a tart served up if you had been robbed decierved over 15 months lost lets say example 35k to it USD do you mean to tell me you would just say ohh well poor dear - i deserve to be robbed for my good intentions - the poor misguided bitch . i shall just move on. send her a chrissy card !
Bullshit you would ---if a russian woman robbed a russian man / or russian family for 35k usd = to what 8 years wages for a basic russian man !
Mate she would be dead / killed / nada / finito ! don't tell me she would not !
So getting off with a pasting --she got off light believe me .
I could have authorised a lot worse - it was offered to me on a plate !
Would you like her ''put to sea '' as they call it ! thats what the resident mafia offered me and hey change out of $600 usd .
They do a family on special for $1000 -would you like there phone number Nasfan ( happily send it to you via my home email if you like ! please confirm what i speak !
Its called justice ''russian style '' i dont like violence i grew up with too much of it i try sidestep it at every opportunity and i used it as a desperate last resort only .
I tried to give it a chance in every other way == i was left no options !
So whats the alternative !! let it go unpunished this particular one 35k usd????
Mate there is no man fool enough on this forum to kiss 35k usd goodbye and just say ohh well live and learn .
Anything / anybody robs my good nature --gets punished same as if i robbed a person i deserve the worst ----these people Nasfan know the score and this bird said to me iam in russia you not can touch --me do as please !
( LIVE BY THE SWORD ---YOU DIE BY THE SWORD )
I replied really is that so ---we shall see and 48 hours later they were nursing bodies that looked like they had been 10 rounds with cassius clay .
Hey Mike.....at what point did the girl put a gun to your head and robbed you of your money?
Or maybe she asked for things, you gave them to her and now you are not happy things didn't go as planned....just curious...you seemed to be fast and furious with your $$$$ from your posts over the years.....tough reading I tell you.. ;))))))
At what point ---------thats an easy question to answer
number 1 -- me my life my earnings they come very hard !
if i put my $ to any woman then iam putting from that moment on 1000% trust to somebody i wont care iF ive known it 2 minutes or two years - if i give from heart to me mate - thats the most i can give .
i expect from others the same level of sincerity from anybody i choose to befriend or help in my life
i expect a lot --but i give a lot = even stevens hah --
iam robotic in the non deciet form in my life -i wont tollerate it in any way or form .
its called principles .
i rob nobody in my life so nobody can rob me -sorry i just wont allow it , and i have no forgiveness for deciet of any kind ,
as the bird found out ( in a savage way ) i dont care if its 35k 2k or two dollars ! if somebody decieves me il hunt em AROUND THE WORLD ! evem to the point of me having zero left in life .
principles are more important to me than money or women or anything , il help anybody but god help any basterd wants to cross me
for that crime ive got an unlimited cheque book .
i dont have to help folks!!! but il test there trust if i think they are worthwhile il give them the hand of charity ----but if they bite it = god help em
and believe me we are helping them a LOT IN FSU - BECAUSE WE DONT HAVE TO BE THERE
THIS POINT THEY SHOULD NEVER FORGET !
nasfan, my wife hardly read this forum, last time I was reading to her some comment, she has not participate to this exchange of insult for a long time, and no wishes to do so. But it looks obvious that more that a "Pack mentality" is more a case of "mentally "p"acked" for you..... Keep your misjudgement to your self and listen to different people having different experience in the FSU's, the place and people where Mike was in living and sharing was not Disneyland...
Beemer is correct, you flashed cash like a fool. Can't deny that. You were warned but you were smarter than everyone else. You even went back for more like a fool. Sorry Mate, no sympathy from me. You set a bad example for new guys traveling to the FSU. Hey it's easy to flash cash there and get attention. Hell you can stand on a corner in Cabrini Green and flash cash they'll just take if from you faster.
See you saw this coming all the way Mate. Thought your bucks would pull you out. You were an idiot to put 35k in this bird. You asked for it. I mean hell you're such a man of character you should have done the dirty deed yourself. That's called frontier justice. So sleep with your 26 or 29 year olds and sell you fiction to someone else. While you told us all we were full of shit. Look who's writing about shit now.
You played the game and paid the price. You're still out the 35k and I hope that's a lesson to some new guys that read your nonsensical diatride.
Oh by the way, still no bustops in my neighborhood.
I've been to places in this world that makes the FSU look like disney land. I remember seeing a Marine with his throat cut for 50p, that time that was $3.50. I've been to about every shithole in Africa and south east Asia. FSU does not have the market cornered on lying and deceit.
As for difference experiences, you need to wise up. Everytime a guy gets burned here, it's the same old story. They don't list that included Mike00. I hate to say it, dropping 25k on the family is a bit foolish. You don't marry the family!! Charity begins at home. The immediate family, wife, children, not inlaws or cousins or uncles or brothers of nephews or whatever. I've never seen the outright stupidity that has gone on lately. If before you would have mentioned this in the forum 5 years ago about sending money, you would have been verbally drawn and quartered, that was because the golden rule the oldtimers put down to me. We didn't have the guys coming in here crying because they got ripped off. Most of us listened to the guys that were doing it.
Leave the bleeding hearts at home. The real women in Ukraine are not looking for handouts.
Listen to other People? Okay a short list for you Quasi.
Listened to jetmba on not using an attorney. Saved myself over 2000 dollars. Almost got caught up in the hype of this high priced attorney everyone was using. In my research found one that would do the same thing as Roth in Maryland for 350 dollars. Have now done everything including adjustment of status and permanent green card myself. No lawyer needed.
Listened to Martin on air travel tips an places to search. Found a way to beat US taxes on air travel. Found a rountrip ticket from JFK to CDG for 180 bucks.
Listened to TimH on reading this forum for 2 weeks straight. It gave me information on the the in's and outs of finding a woman in the FSU. The scams, the etiquette etc. Put me in touch with an incredible Ukrainian woman (Ptichka) who didn't talk shit and set us guys straight on our search for a lady. Had many email conversations with her, so the ball cap and Nikes stayed at home. Still to this day, no woman has posted the quality information that she did.
Found an excellent woman to tour Kiev with from a former member. She did an outstanding tour that my wife and I both enjoyed.
Found the quickest way in an out of Mariupol from a former Aussie who spent a lot of time in Donetsk. Mariupol has many flights in but only one departing daily at the time.
Wtrav02 said go to the Interview there will be no problems and can get visa immediately. Her interview lasted about 2 minutes, because her interviewer and I had a previous conversation and he told me we could pick up visa in Four hours at the Fedex terminal.
Some of these guys I have had vehement disagreements with. Still I used some of their advice.
So when you start mouthing off that I don't listen, oh I listen and I also don't forget.
There were many others that contributed great information that I could list and it would be a long list. Maybe that's why I didn't get popped for 30k, maybe because of the discipline they taught me, I weeded out the scammers. I had many make the attempt. I had a list of things that I would not do. If they asked the wrong questions, they were history. This was compromised from advice of many members here. The problem is many guys won't discipline themselves to follow it. Honest and decent girls won't ask those certain questions. Most where a setup to the enevitable scam.
My favorite of all time was one bimbo trying to use Rebecca Stamo's picture as her own. There's got to be a lot of dumb guys out there.
It is difficult to believe you gave any money from your heart Mike. If it was given to her from your heart then it would be hers after you gave it. There would be no need to send the mafia to take blood for money that was given as a gift. No you thought you bought and paid for something with your money. Then you felt you did not get the value you expected. Love and heart do not even fit in that equation. Do you feel you need to go back and collect the money you spent on every date the woman did not work out on, guess that would be every one of your dates or at least the ones that cost you more than 2 dollars.
Oz I tip my hat to you, that was a classic post. Very eloquent way of telling someone to go to hell and look forward to the trip. Wow PRICELESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nasfan, I never said that there are not useful info by forum member, I do too read with attention all information no matter were it come from, if useful, even from people that have other issues in mind, exchange opinions and information¡¦s is why we are here. I suppose a little spirited discussion is ok, and is inevitable we have different point of views, but lets keep some boundary, no one will be forced to a certain behavior and there is actually no law (apart from Olga ƒº ) so lets keep it informative, after all we have some kind of common experience.
In regard Mike00, the bottom line is that he did the right think with what he believed was in a way his new wife, when you see someone blatantly using your feeling to con money than the rule of the game change. I have see my self how vicious some people can be, and how everything can be pre-planned and pre organized to extract money from genuine foreigner, you cannot possible use our western standard when you deal with certain situations. And if a reasonable person like Mike00 did take those steps, he for sure knew was the right thinks to do at the time. This is not an issue to think ¡§what I would have done¡¨ if you where there, you HAVE to be in the middle to fully appreciate the issues. The words ¡§love¡¨, ¡§dating¡¨, ¡§relation¡¨ has NOT the same meaning as the west; this is the rule for most women but not all.
The true is we use our standards on seeking a relation but than we cannot use their ¡§standards¡¨ to seek justice, sorry guys in this one I am with Mike00.
P.S. Love cannot be bought, it is true, but it is also true that if do care for the person that you are sharing your life you¡¦ll try to provide a normal life for her and try to give, within your limit, what is possible to give, that is not buying love, but simply fulfilling our duty, some women may describe above concept in different terms, but the meaning is the same.
You know, way back when thei forum WAS different. It seemed that 99% of the guys writing here were actually single guys looking to go to the FSU to find a wonderful FSU lady.
Truth be told, I can't think of a single married guy who was on on the forum back then.
It was just a bunch of singe guys talking about culural differences, airlines, what she said or didn't say in a letter, best places to stay, etc. etc. Oh its true that other subject matter cropped up from time to time to keep it entertaining - but it was just single guys assisting each other.
NOW it seems that this forum is dominated by MARRIED GUYS (and whatever it is that danny is) who do nothing but try and put other guys down.
I mean, you and Martin are alumni - you were writing here when you were single. But where did all these other characters (and I do mean characters) come from - who hang out here?
It used to be that the forum was a natural extension of fiance.com. Guys would look at the profiles etc., and check out the other resources on this website, discover the forum and a bunch of like minded souls. Back then if a married guy stumbeld in here there would certainly be questions about what they are doing here. I mean this IS a forum for single guys who are searching.
It was sort of like some area at a singles bar - a place where single men typically go to find single ladies. If a married guy showed up there and became a regular - it could pretty much show that he was out scouting something fresh. So how did so many married guys stumble in here?
We have danny and Dung - who basically show up to pat themselves on the back for supposedly finding an FSU lady. They seem to have little function except to try to make themselves sound superior to the rest of us. BOTH have got ridiculously inflated egos. Quasi showed up because his wife ws here making a pest of herself - she eventually left but he stayed.
Like I said, Martin and nasfan are alumni. They made themselves fixtures here when they were searching. But some of the other married guys - these guys prevent the forum from being the helpful tool it once was