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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Have serious question regarding bringing Ukranian woman to US. Author Post Kirkland Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/7/2008 3:41:53 PM   Fabio & Oz ...good intelligent posts. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/7/2008 5:41:46 PM   MIKE00 07.11.2008 5:41:54 LAND OF OZZIE ARE YOU AN AUSSIE ???? Obviously not, he can spell! nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/7/2008 6:53:50 PM   Mike00 Oz is from the states mate. Danys Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/7/2008 7:54:13 PM   ndfb i think honesty is a good start, good luck x p.s I agreed with Fabio most be a super interesting guy, maybe my perfect one? lol Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/7/2008 9:52:48 PM   No Mike I am from Kansas where the original wizard of oz movie came from. But you still equate quality of life with money. You put up a little bit of money and she bows to you. So you require a woman who can be bought. The woman you are looking for is different than the one many of these men are looking for. I do not think it would be easy to find a good woman in any country that would like that arrangement. A business woman may trade her favors for your money but a good woman does not want your money, she wants you. Danys Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/7/2008 11:27:41 PM   is anyone here trying to stick to each other brains their own absolutism of truth and totalitarian life style as the pinacle of the human ideal? i belive that everyone is right in their own circunstances, whatever ppl do with their brains and bum is alright too as long as they make clear who they are without fooling the rest of the world with appereances and hipocritical speeches,so is ridiculous to try to change someone else minds when the matter is that we all cannot scape from ourselves and our own experiences/circunstances, we are "all" right because there is no other way we still can conprenhend the amuzing big amount of experiences and matter outside from ourselves... What is real happyness? i don't think it comes from a good marriage, a barbie doll,millionair husband,parties, forever single,ur so untouchable "fake" freedom(to be untouchable is also to be an slave of fear)or placing ur happyness in outsiders and unrealistic ideals,to place it in unconciousness repressed fears...and so on i.e never judge a man by his actions,judge a man by his being, how can you see the being of others?if you have not know even your own being...lets start with that last task... MIKE00 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/8/2008 6:58:07 AM   land of OZ no mate you always seem to read each side of my lines you 50% understand situation but not 100% iam an old fashioned girlfriends bloke at days end - if she cost a quid - hey they all do you know nobodies going to tell me they have a great wife and she cost him zero - if she cleans your plough ( which sadly 7 of 10 will do ) then she has cost you a hell of a lot more than --fred smith with his girlfriend and no ties huh add the maths the girlfriends forever guy is the winner and you only have to view stats on sites in Aussie to see a huge influx = thats exactly in 6 of ten cases what the well off guys are looking for marriage aint the 11th commandment mate = its a choice thing suits some -but not others easy huh the old equation = each to there own hey i can afford to waste 25 or 28k a year just having fun ! and forever so it begs the question ! why would i saddle up with 1 & marry and worry the rest my life ohh shit have i said something wrong ? ohh god hear the magpies i married again ? all on the ''lamb '' no mate in my situation it dosent have to be ! so why make a rod for my back huh ? i agree = good woman dosent want your money you are 10.0000% correct - but a woman as that in FSU countries is like 4 in 500 if your real lucky ! mate id rather have one -look i know they all scam a bit - but i'd rather the devil i got to know ( knowing its going to cost me something ) than get married and know that 1 day ( and it could be anyday - the tart plus family could try take me for the lot ) And my lot is like you know 48 x $25k SO NO SORRY my lots got to do me rest of life after i finish work in 4 years Sorry mate il be 55 then iam not taking that chance as i DONT HAVE THE YEARS LEFT TO BUILD ANOTHER EMPIRE. you get married look i wish you all the best!! -but it dont wash with me my jobs done twice married raised two good kids they gone got better $$ jobs than we have so i have the big window3 of freedom and $$$ to boot why would i risk it ?????? I like a bird perfecto as can be --if she dont fit the bill ! her loss not mine ! find another huh ! In 2008 OZ!!! see it dont matter if a bird lies to me she's out the gate i argue = out the gate i dont need it mate -------why buy yourself a soap opera ! But if yu married something like that ohh fer fugg sake !! the hassles lawyers move in - before you know it ''your just another hard luck story '' slumped in kelsies diner in new york --just another sad tale lol. No mate sorry il treat a girl like gold -------long as she does the right thing ! the moment she don't - its see yu later sam ! thats my laws i live by em --i cant change to suit somebody elses square of life . mike00 Fabio Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/8/2008 9:46:21 AM   Oh yeah I am the perfect guy, Danys. Want to get cofee some time? Danys Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/8/2008 12:44:31 PM   why not? Fabio i like tea also, monopoly sometime? trick or treat? as for tooth brushes,soap.forget everything u been reading here, because everyone is enouch self-absorved just to talk about themselves including also the so funny wannabes and "suficient" ones...ha ha p.s u are part of the crowd infected by bordom too...so welcome whomever you are! Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/8/2008 8:09:28 PM   Danys & Fabio, If all the pair of you are here for is to ridicule others, and whilst some of them may need ridiculing, you can go shove your heads up your backsides and sort out your own ridiculous visa fiasco. Wot, no job, lives with mom, and expects to sponsor a settlement visa ..... how phucking hilarious ..... what a jerk :) Fabio Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/8/2008 9:00:59 PM   Thank you Martin for your comments, we will consider them in our application and wish you all the best. Goodbye beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/8/2008 9:32:47 PM   Thank you Martin for hitting 'send' before I did....... nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/9/2008 11:12:46 AM   Never judge a man by his actions? Wow I missed something. So if a guy breaks in my home I should wait to see what his actions are? Never judge a man by his words, his actions speaks volumes. I don't understand todays generation. I haven't lived under my parents roof since I was 18 years old, now I hear of guys living there until 30, it amazes me. Hell I loved my parents and they gave 18 years of their lives raising me, time for them to get a break. I chose the Navy. It paid for my education, got to see the world and mom and dad didn't have to invest a dime in it. They already gave at the office. Time to grow up and cut the umbilical cord. Danys Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/15/2009 7:37:24 PM   Martin we fallow your advise and we were sucessfull !! I got the visa. thank you so much for advice! and for all the trully nice ppl with good intention that helped us, good luck to all! best wishes ~D~ Dunromin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/16/2009 8:39:43 AM   ndfb: Pretty decent thread, notwithstanding a couple of the usual diversions. For whatever it might be worth, if you are still reading here at all, I think it can work. The BS about the big city girls all being Prima Donnas and so forth doesn't cut it with me. It's usually spewed from the mouths of those without the courage to take on the best, be that women or opposition. Fact is the big city dolls have mostly had far more exposure to foreigners and as such are far better prepared for the changes which await them. Nevertheless, nothing says you won't find a gem in the provincials either. Mrs has spent much of her life in big cities and dresses to the nines for the most part, but she was happy to swing off one end of tree branches last weekend whilst I was at the other end with the chainsaw. For a slip of a girl that she is, she is as strong as most men when she puts her mind to it and doesn’t mind getting deep and dirty to help out. I think you've answered most of your own questions in the original post and most of that comes down to how to find enough time together to really know each other. Mrs and I must have worn nearly every airplane carpet in the world to threads trying to figure this out and we sure wore the bank accounts down a thread or two in the process. My proposal to her in the end probably summed it all up fairly well.............however unromantic it was. We were standing on her apartment balcony about 2 in the morning sipping coffee when we glanced at each other and I said, "are we going to do this thing"? Her answer was along the lines of "I don't see why we shouldn't". There was every good reason why we shouldn't and I immediately challenged her on the point, to which she replied along the lines of, well, you are right, so perhaps it is because I love you, to which I replied with something equally bald. Nevertheless, that was the bottom line, we had gotten to the point where we knew we loved each other seriously, we simply could not cover off on the logical side and were at the point where you do make that decision which is in part, to roll the dice. I guess in essence, what I am saying is, don’t try to over think this thing. It is still a boy meets girl thing at the end of the day. Materialistic or otherwise has nothing to do with geography (Domestic or Global) and everything to do with the heart of the person. You just gotta figure that out as best you can. International relationships are just so hard if you really do care for yourself and the other person. Good luck with your deliberations and for whatever it might be worth, the fact you raised the questions at all suggests you will most likely find the answers and there is a very good chance they will be well considered answers. Very good thread subject. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/17/2009 10:16:07 AM   Dun I agree with you in most of the above, with a couple of exceptions. Compared to the west I wouldn't really classify, with the exception of Kiev and Odesa as large cities and even then I wasn't really that impressed. Though the historical scenery was unique to my country just due to the age of Ukraine. My wife who is from the 10th largest city in Ukraine and depending on which census is accurate is between 500k to 750k and she has commented that the larger cities carry a much higher level of prima donna's as you call them. Maybe that's because they are more westernized or whatever the situation may be. Also I wouldn't say it is less courageous to find a woman in the provinces either. With the exception of the foolhardy idiots and the guys who think their wallets can overcome their personality deficiencies. Magnanimous guys do get taken advantage of in these larger cities and maybe at a higher rate than others and it is more of a social issue. It takes more money to survive in a Kiev or Odesa than other cities. I remember a few years back this site shut down completely a Kiev operation that was totally on the scam. Now was it the girls, the agency or both? With the exception of the independant scammers, I think if it was really looked at you would see the results. I don't know too many guys who have had that much success in Kiev,Odesa or Kharkov. Same as in Moscow or St. Pete. It is of course spending time together, with multiple trips and expense. If you're not willing to do either then this isn't for you. Over a two year period of time I made multiple trips to visit my wife. I would also disagree with the ability of women from the larger cities being able to adjust to a different country and culture. That adjustment has to be assisted by us and it's an obligation I feel many guys aren't ready for. Meeting foreigners in their country in no way prepares them to live in ours. It's still to this day an interesting mix of cultures in our household. Though I will agree and it's the same with my wife who is highly educated, that she isn't afraid of getting her hands dirty. Many come from the former Soviet Education system that combined not only academic standards but also in the schools required them to work a certain part of the school week to pull their share of the load.It was part of their communist indoctrination. So I think most women over the age of thirty have this work ethic to them. They are not lazy by any means. A lot of these girls didn't go home during the school week from the ages of 3 years of age up until the 6th year of school. So their ability to adapt is tremendous. I think that in more ways than one help with their adaptation abroad. You won't find this same attitude in a girl in her twenties there now and the men who search for that are their lawful prey. The real key to bringing a girl to the US is what you are willing to sacrifice in time and understanding more than anything else. No matter how well equipped they are, they're going to be bumps in the road just because of the significant cultural differences and language barrier. That's where the preparation should really begin. Prior to coming. I've written about this many times here. Getting her to the states is the easy part. Making the transition is where the work really begins. Dunromin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/17/2009 9:01:20 PM   Nasfan: Good Post. Many points on which we differ to a more or less extent. Each of those will be largely tainted by our own experience which in and of itself does not make any universal rules, but rather, each provides a perspective from which a few thinking readers might be able to gain something. I didn’t suggest or intend to imply that men going to the provincials are less courageous, my point was that the argument to do so is most often written on forums along the lines of , bypass the big cities and go to the provincials because you are more likely to find a down to earth wife there, the big city girls are all too westernized and Prima Donna style. It is simply a crock of crap for anyone who has dug below the surface. (The surface being the flashy areas which most tourists don’t get past.) BTW, Lugansk has been recognized as one of the scam capitals, it is full of Prima Donnas (I’ve met more than a few) and it is a provincial city, in fact it is less than that, IMO it is a shitehole but heaps of punters keeping flying into Kiev, only to bypass it and go straight to Lugansk. It is a logic all of their own and for mine, they are welcome to it. I agree that fewer immigrants are now coming from the big cities and that is precisely why I think guys should still pursue these women. They are harder to move because the economic advantage is out of the equation. I certainly have always been far more confident in a woman who doesn’t want to move or doesn’t need to move than I have in the ones who are keen to do so. Just because a women isn’t westernized right now, perhaps because she hasn’t had the opportunity, provides no assurance she won’t become so soon enough. Most will and from observations, the most difficult woman to live with and maintain, is the one making that transition. Again, nothing says a country girl can’t make the adjustments needed to move abroad but my comment regarding exposure to foreigners bares from much more experience than perhaps I have indicated. Since marrying me, Mrs has had a succession of visitors, girlfriends from school day, Uni day, modeling days and so on. We see it consistently, the girls who have more exposure to foreigners settle into stride much more quickly. I’ve always thought and I still do, the first few days on the ground are absolutely critical to her forming her opinion and as a default, often her real enthusiasm to make life actually work. I disagree with your remark that exposure to foreigners as a result of living somewhere where she has had the opportunity bares no relationship to living in another country (although I can see your point). Many, if not most of the problems which arise early on are based in fear. The woman who understands, even to a small extent, the people around her she is dealing with, has a better chance of survival or at least a better chance of happiness. Again, I go back to our many visitors. Those with foreigner experience generally have a ball, those without, have a ball for about 3 days and then hide in the house for a while. They have to be dragged out and spoon fed for a while. Both groups survive, but the former does it easier than the latter. Preparedness to get their hands dirty, IMO, is more about the character of the women than the cultural times in which she grew up, although each can have it’s influence. Picture this paradox for a moment. Yesterday, I took Mrs and her visiting friend to the “Basseen” (Sp intended for those who understand). What a sight, two stunners, 26 and 27 respectively, both 5’9” ish, 115 LB ish, both wearing their G-string Bikinis (In a conservative town) and only leaving the essentials to the imagination, both were well aware of the onlookers and being young Russian women, were not exactly half playing it up. Both having their share of fun and it was perhaps something like the Pied Piper as they walked around, they had a tail of boys a ½ mile long. Diving in and out of the various pools, making photos and so forth, Prima Donnas? You betcha for any casual observer. What nobody would believe is what I saw about two hours before. I walked into the house and here are two stunning girls, G-Strings bikini bottoms, Peekaboo tops and, well you get the picture, one on hands and knees cleaning the legs of kitchen chairs and one up on a ladder cleaning high cupboards. The phone rings, one answers and whilst standing there looking like something from a picture book, talking on the phone, she is cleaning the phone cord. Prima Donnas? I think not. Hot as hell? Well let’s say, I thought I had died and gone to heaven. The most amusing part was watching all the teenage boys in the pools who were too embarrassed to get out of the water, go figure. Anyway, all that is a lot of waffle, my overall point is, geography is unimportant if you focus the keys of your search on the really important issue, which IMO is the character of the woman. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/18/2009 12:40:40 AM   Who is buying there woman Mr. Givemorehead? You are. Go fly your Pitts radio controlled plane and leave the intelligent conversation to the men in the forum. bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/18/2009 10:47:23 AM   finally some real insight and opinions on personal experience thanks. bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/18/2009 10:47:56 AM   finally some real insight and opinions on personal experience thanks. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Have serious question regarding bringing Ukranian woman to US.
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