I will make an attempt to re-write my original post below. I cannot make public too many details because I am in the beginning of what may be an ugly divorce settlement.
I am married to a Ukrainian woman. She left our home without any warning (or even the slightest hint) while I was at work. She took all her stuff and several valuable items that belong to me (she and those who assisted her must have brought a truck in order to load the items). I believe that she realized that the marriage wasn’t working for her since the very first months. However, she decided to stick with it until she would get the conditions on her green card withdrawn, a decent paying full-time job, and a network of trusted individuals who could help her re-start her life. The timing of her departure fits all of the above requirements.
I am still shocked and in awe by the scheming and the deception and lies that preceded her departure. She made sure what time I would be back the day of her departure, she even called me on the phone to ensure that I would not be coming back early that day.
I trusted this woman. If you’ve heard the Russian saying: “the man is the head, the woman is the neck that turns the head”, it is very true. She was a demanding woman and always managed to get out of me anything she wanted. She would insist, complain and use the “guilt card” until I would give up and do what she wanted - always [underscore].
Currently, my life is a mess. I am depressed as hell while scrambling to prepare for divorce proceedings (it is a nightmare, trust me!). I keep thinking about what she did, which is literally a punch in the face that was entirely uncalled for. I have done enormous good to this woman and I feel that what is happening is very unfair.
As a practical note for all of you Eastern European romance-seekers, understand the enormous risk that you are taking by committing to a woman for whom (and her culture) you know very little and mostly through emails and short visits. If I could go back in time, I would have never married this one or any other woman from the former Soviet Republics. I would go there, date in good faith (meaning I wouldn’t lie to the woman about my intentions), have lots of fun, then come back.
If you decide that the urge to marry is too large to overcome, then understand that you must accept the possibility that she may be scheming behind your back (even if it seems impossible!).
A couple of people from this forum suggested tapping into her phone or something like this. This does not sound a bad idea. In fact, it would have saved me a lot emotional and financial trouble.
In summary, have fun with them, but don’t marry them. If you feel that you have to marry an Eastern European woman, then be always prepared for the worst. If you cannot accept the possibility that it may end at any time in an ugly way and to your disadvantage, then all I can say is “good luck”. I know I will need it!
Jay, be glad that she left you. start new life. Forget about her, she doesn't deserve you. and it doesn't matter what nationality she is. usa girl could do the same thing to you easy, with more damages. get your self new fresh start. Get new girl and enjoy. I know a guy with exactly the same story. but his wife was Russian. he got himself new Russian wife in a year and still doing well. just do prenap next time. may be girl number 4 will be your real soul mate:)
Sorry about your experience, JCrew. I am still planning to marry a Ukrainian. When I first started this thing, I asked myself what I would give in return. A beautiful girl for me? All I have to do is go to Ukraine to get her? It sounds too easy. I need something that would make it difficult for her to leave. That was easy. I would take care of her child as my own. I like children anyway. I found one who loves her child very much and wants help in raising her. She did not tell me that. I just noticed. The more I paid attention to her child, the closer she got to me.
Honestly, one cannot conclude after months of correspondence, a ten day meeting that we are a good match. So far, all indications are. Now, we have another great thing in common, we have a child to raise. This will be my third marriage. I know that even after years of knowing each other, a marriage can turn sour. If my woman decides to do what your woman did to you, it will be her loss. Noone will help her with her child.
jcrew. don't give advice. just tell your story. if a person who is in a successful marriage, should he tell us everything is peaches and cream? all we know is who we are. thats all.
you said yourself that the woman was very demanding and got everything she asked for. do you think that made her love you more or less? you need to fix your self esteem before looking for another women. nobody respects a chump.
also, if you are looking for someone who genuinely respects a 'nice' guy, you might try the phillipines or some other country with some spiritual soul. russian countries are a vultures nest. you really need some charisma or great looks for a russian girl to fall for you.
Guys I’m NOT trying to discourage anyone, but I’m not the only one. My attorney told me of four recent cases of men in my county alone who got divorced right after the woman got her green card (one even before). Are there some successful stories (how long they last?) sure there must be, but what are the chances overall?
In my case, I am hurting very much because I believed in this woman and trusted her to the extent not being able to see what was coming. We had some really fun times and it’s not easy to erase a few years of being together as a married couple. If I had to say what’s the one thing that went really wrong in our marriage is this: she got Americanized. She admitted this herself, that is her dramatic change in attitude and behavior. In fact, she rejects her previous “self” and embraces her “new self”. She wants to experience the life of a single American woman focusing on a career, having a circle of girl buddies, going out late at night.
If I were to do it again (which I won’t), this is the number concern I would have. While she was in Ukraine and during her first year here, I was a king in her eyes (in the good sense meaning she really seemed to care). She was telling me I was her man and that I was her whole world. Now, this is all gone, puff, smokes, vapors. She even laughs in the thought she was saying these things for a man in general. Have you seen the TV commercial where a woman wonders: “what is common between a man and a train? If you miss one, another one will stop in front of you right away”. This would describe her “new self” perfectly.
Once she got involved with American women and started socializing through education and work, she changed, she became bitchy and she seemed to like it since it gave her self-confidence (which she lacked and I believe she still lacks).
At olegnay: “usa girl could do the same thing to you easy, with more damages”
You’re wrong in so many ways. You get a chance to get to know an American girl before getting married (not only through emails). You don’t sign affidavits of responsibility that make you financially liable for the woman even after a divorce. American girl will likely show you who she is and it’s “what you see is what you get”. American woman does not have the incentive to prolong the marriage to get a green card or a job or get education on your wallet. And so on ….
At gecko: You’re right I should not have done so much for her or better I should not have married her (how about this?). I may be going to Eastern Europe this summer for vacation, dating (not any marriage business for sure). I’ve heard Czech Republic is a nice place also.
You must have married a young girl, JCrew. If that is the case, why she did it was not because she was Russian. How she did it and to the extent is another story.
My brother married a young girl, in her teens from the Philippines. They got through this and are still together, but she needed to experience the life of a single American woman, having a circle of girl buddies and going out late at night.
"there are all kinds of girls in russia of course a shit looking guy can find some normal girl in russia that loves him ."
Well this is assuming of course that he did actually find a girl (highly speculative at best). But danny doesn't go far enough for dannys shortcomings are not merely his resemblance to shit, but all of the other aspects of his personality as well.
He ponders on why a westrn guy would have to go to Russia to find such a girl, when he himself (again..assuming) could never have found anything human to be with him in any other country.
Gee danny again you lie, you said you never contacted women by the internet, then why would you have four or five girls and their contact numbers? Your story gets worse and worse by the minute. Why have a backup plan since you're the stud of studs.
Did you get my latest PM liar? No? Well probably because I didn't send you one. Your litany of stupidity is well documented here.
Okay - I stand corrected. I did make an off-hand suggestion, like that which I had completely forgotten about. But notice I wrote that in parenthesis and with a question mark. Why? Because I've never actually done that (or even thought of it before) and it was just something I came up with as I typed that sentence. (And just as quickly forgotten.)
DId you just quickly forget that you didn't REALLY own that plane that you claimed and that it is really owned by a tour service that was good enough to allow you to pose in front of it? That you owned it must ALSO have been a quick off-handed suggestion you came up with while writing a post heh?
danny - notice that I admit it when I am in error. I don't hedge.
Now please do us the same service and admit about the plane, the pilot's license, the pregnancy, the house, the former girlfriend, and so many other things that you have been caught on. And what about the scam, what you said about nasfan's wife, what you claim he said about your partner?
Open a new thread (or several) if you have to (and with all of this stuff you will have to). Start coming clean danny. Start admitting your mistakes.
Jet I'm still waiting for him to provide one word where I insulted his partner. The only clown here to insult women has been danny. Though it's funny to me than an ignorant soul like him can even conjugate a few sentences. It's laughable.
The plane, the plane. The dead giveaway was the goofball wearing sandals and saying he was taking his partner up for a ride. Pretty damn difficult to operate rudder pedals in sandals, though the retard didn't get it, thought I was mocking his sandals, I rolled in laughter. Though in retrospect, maybe he's a barefoot flyer. I think I'll send the words to Stephen Stills so he can change his song Treetop Flyer, to "Barefoot Flyer."
No danny it was you and Mike trying to scam me. Then you pissed him off some way and he sent me pictures. You didn't waste my time, you exposed yourself as a liar. Still the question still stands show me one instance where I insulted your partner liar. One time?
Also you have accused me of using some of the names in this forum. I've only used one. I didn't write your buddy pegleg, if the truth be known you're pegleg and you were fishing to see who was writing, it was forwarded to me want proof liar?
again how's that 11 month pregnancy going? Guiness book of world records is 377 days, I bet you're going to exceed that.
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nasfan6 25.12.2008 10:41:05 im shure you can recognise the writing kgb nup man . my daniel green email i have put on the forum . the pictures i would have sent if you asked ...im not ashamed of my self like you .i put video and pictures on youtube ,the plane is only one third mine but yes i do fly yes i do have my licence .
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no i dont mate but keep it to yourself his real name is micheal i know that for certain iam gradually getting info out of him he lives
southern Indiana mate
iam finding out more each week danny --you see news amertica going into great depression mate = we all fucked now huh
my monies russia gone from 26 rubles the dollar to 17 rubles iam losing very much but what can you do huh
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its going to be fun posting all his emails on forum . i thought he was a decent bloke until i turned down his buisness idea of starting a car wash in russia together .the two of you make a good pair or old time loosers .