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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > For the married w/ FSU women: how much annual salary seem reasonable? Author Post baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2009 5:40:51 AM   This is an expansive and time consuming exercise - Yes, Yes, Yes and Baron was extremely lucky that the women he met was the one for him. Good luck Baron. Actually based on our extensive correspondence prior to our physical meeting, we both determined that we were the ones for each other. Many of you seem to think that you can not learn about a person without physically touching them. I say that is not true. Yes, if you can not write about yourself and be honest with each other, then you must go make the trip early on. I didn't have to do that, so I corresponded for a couple of months with a bunch of real women and the right one just fell through the cracks in each other's laps. EG Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2009 8:21:21 AM   I do not regret the trips, only my own naivety. But you live and learn. I pointed out the wasted trips scenario so the younger guys will realise that this is an expensive undertaking - NOT just in money (that is a small part IMHO) - but in time and patience and never losing hope. I made my first 2 trips in 2004, 1 in 2005 and then gave the whole thing a rest during 2006 (attending to "real life") and then started back in late 2006 making trip number 4 in 2007 and my last trip was in mid 2008. Saw some fantastic sights - far, far off the beaten path, I've met many interesting people and made some life long friends. Like Baron, I tend to write very long personal letters, probing to find motives and personality in the ladies. Unlike some of the other posters, I do not believe that money can buy you anything worthwhile, and certainly not true love. It takes time. And a boat load of patience. EG baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2009 9:15:00 AM   I agree with you EG. I think that it also takes a clear understanding of your own person and how desirable you may or may not be. It also requires a lot of honesty of both parties. Finally it requires that one be reasonable in their search and not chase after windmills. Personally, I only began correspondence with women who expressed an interest in me, with women that my age fell within their stated range requirements, and only those whose profiles clearly stated that they were only interested in marriage, a serious relationship, and for forever with one person. Maybe I was naive but I assumed that since both of us (all of us stated that we were seriously looking for a partner) that I did not question their intent. I did find some gold diggers and one scammer, as I have stated, but I also found, immediately a bunch of very real women who were very serious. I find it hard to believe that some of you must travel many trips and take years and years. I would suggest you reflect on yourself and the possible whys this takes so long, unless you enjoy this type of hunt. I went into the correspondence with serious and immediate intentions and after two months, one woman just was always there, serious and everything. Now we are engaged. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2009 9:44:36 AM   It takes time. And a boat load of patience. Boy I will second that. For the most part, I wrote private letters to each of the women I was corresponding to. That in and of itself took tons of time, every day, at least once or twice. Then when the phone calls started and then further the Skype calls, I was fully occupied in the corresondence. It was with relief when Alla and I decided we were attracted to each other and wanted to make our correspondence exclusive. Some heartbreaking moments when the other ladies were told the bad new; none were angry, most were supportive (further showed me their classiness). Once we became exclusive, our relationship ratcheted up a big way. Then when we finally met in Kiev, we knew all about each other and the trip was to just allow our hearts to confirm what our heads were telling us about the other. There were no negative surprises when we met; actually we ended up being better than each other expected! Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2009 6:52:18 PM   Raging bull that is just the application fee for the I 485. It breaks down as follows $930 for her $80 dollars for her biometric (fingerprints and photo) and $600 for her child. That price is current Baron but it does not include travel to and from homeland security 2 times for biometric and interview. I see 3 $2000 figures in your estimate; clothes, airfare, and an ESL course. Which of these pays the I-485 fee. Sorry I did not pay close enough attention to the sex of her child but you can bring them in for the same price. Is the $130 for the k1 visa after the Interview also included there. Why can't you attend the Interview? None of my business but just curious what you have done that they will not let you in. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2009 11:56:36 PM   The US Embassy in Russia will only let the beneficiary and any K-2 children into the interview. It's all on their website. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2009 2:56:56 AM   "Actually based on our extensive correspondence prior to our physical meeting, we both determined that we were the ones for each other." Barron.....I totally disagree, most important is when you meet, I don't care how 'extensive' communications are, you don't know much until a meeting and some time together. I do have a 80/20 rule....20% of relationship is based on communication BEFORE meeting and 80% is after meeting. I think luck played big part in your choice along with some good techniques from you. I don't know the correct figures but I would think the percent is very low for a guy to find their partner on first trip let alone first girl. Everyone has their way of finding a partner, I have met with multiple girls on trips and I can say that it was a good experience to get to know their likes and dislikes are and for me to hone in on what I am looking for. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2009 3:26:14 AM   I agree, pretty much, with beemer. There was a time when I believed that letters were great, two people could talk very openly without one trying to get the other in to bed at the end of the evening ..... but then I started meeting with these ladies that had been writing so sincerely in their letters, it's so often a load of nonsense that they write, they know what the man wants to hear and that's what they write in their letters regardless if is true or not. Some would even keep up the pretence during that one, and only, week or so we would be together, I fell for such a pretence once, but only once and I am still not convinced that baron555, who had only been writing for a relatively short 2 month period, has not fallen for such a pretence and he will NOT convince me that he knows, and is in love with, this lady well enough to commit to a serious marriage etc. But no offence intended baron, just speaking from my 'been there, done that' expreience. Texasdude Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2009 3:48:12 AM   beemer18dude, I have read about your many trips and encounters. What is your endgame? Are you looking for a wife or ? No judgement here but what takes you back to FSU again and again? Is FSU preferable to SoCal? On another note is beemer18 for BMW318? I am fixing up a '83 733i myself. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2009 6:20:13 AM   Oz, I was wrong. I did not include the AOS costs in my original listing. (Too many posts before morning coffees, sri.) Beemer, tnx for your comments. Yes I know I got lucky in meeting a nice woman who was real and sincere. I know I am not in the majority. We can agree to disagree about correspondence and 80/20 but the physical meeting is the most important. I will agree. What I can say though, to use an old saying I live by: Luck increases with hard work. bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2009 9:24:44 AM   since I have seen the so called internet romance here in the states I do think it might work with women overseas also. I have seen some succes with this, I have friends who have met online and married. of course they spent time flying or driving to meet each other whenever they had the chance. as for me writing and calling is good but there is nothing better than seeing her happy to see me when I am there. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2009 10:29:46 AM   I'll just keep harping on one aspect of internet correspondence that some of you may not understand and that is Skype or internet video conferencing. Besides being a free program, as long as each other has the internet and a webcam and headset (makings is easier to hear and talk clearly) you can see each other and hear each other, Live. I use is all the time; we'll spend hours a day talking about everything. Yes, we can not touch each other but we can see each other. A lot better than just emails and phone calls. DeepColor Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2009 6:29:28 PM   Phil makes a repeated good emphasis about visual communication. Touch and smell contribute to the experience as well, but don’t send a sweaty t-shirt to a girl, even if you think it will not be a match… It was rude of me and she didn’t satisfy my curiosity! =S Like he notes, you get a feel of how attracted you are to someone by a face to face talk. In general, the closer she is to you in terms of facial appearance, the better the attraction will be. The gap of her being more beautiful than most women means she likes your personality and status more, and in general, women will have an advantage in physical attraction. There are a few phrases that apply. The phrase, “it takes one to know one” for example. If you groom yourself well, and pay attention to your clothes, you’ll notice this in a girl and find out if she’s similar enough or complementary to your tastes. So if you two can relate to each other in such an area, it’s one way to get closer. If you want kids and the young hot girl doesn’t for now, she may show it through a look of haughtiness, among other mannerisms. Something along those lines is “intuition” for women, but they are more blind in other ways. If you are into smells, heavy girls will smell a certain way, and so , if you see a depressed girl, she probably smells different from other girls as well. A lot of details add up to initial attraction, which you need to get to a stable relationship. (For example, someone posted that a lady who had a twenty year old son went back to take care of him after he got into trouble, because her maternal instincts took over after the puppy love wore off.) Also, what websites or business phone numbers do you recommend for plane tickets, and for transportation within Ukraine? And best websites or business phone number for lodging? Thanks all. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2009 10:06:27 PM   Hey DC, tnx for your concurrence concerning visual communication. Skype came in and does now come in very handy in maintaining a very long distance relationship. For plane tickets, I use SkyScanner (Google it.) For transportation and lodging in Ukraine (I only stayed in Kiev and once there my Alla knows Russian so we didn't have a problem negotiating taxi fares, etc.) I used Brett and Alla's connections via Kiev Connections. I rented my apartment from them and had their driver pick me up (with my Alla along) at the airport with their pickup taxi service. Phil Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2009 1:04:17 AM   Deepcoler Depends on where you live, cost of travel varies immensely, cost 2500NZ$ at least to travel to and from NZ, but London - Kiev for 3-400NZ$$ I have never totalled up what my cost has been. I would have spent close to 20K before I met my now wife of 4 years. That was over a 2 year period of visiting parts of Ukraine and Russia. I got 20k's worth of enjoyment from sights etc What its cost since meeting Lena - don't want to know. She priceless and if one has to put a $$ value on it, then I am probably 100K on the right side of the ledger - as she owns an apartment in Kiev that will far out value any costs incurred thus far. Also an inherited apartment to come one day – if we outlive the M-Inlaw !!!!!!!!! beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2009 12:38:05 PM   Hey Texas-dude!!!! lol What is endgame????? Like many, to find their partner/love/other half to share life with. Going to FSU is just part of the process along with looking at home or even other countries( some friends live in areas such as central america). I don't know how long I will be looking into FSU for a girl before I move on and try/look into something else, I just wanted to give it a chance. It is quite an experience seeing another culture, meeting many girls and seeing historical sites. I am not one to talk about wasted trips because I make trip more than just to meet a girl, got to take in what is around you, meet people and start friendships, you just never know who you might meet from this. Is FSU preferable to So Cal....not really but to generalize the girls I have met in FSU I would put up against any girl in So Cal....it is the attitude that is different. No, mine is a 323 convertable..........comes in handy in LA driving up the coast. Did you see the movie 'Sideways"? Did that trip, really great, only I didn't get knocked on my can by an asian girl!!! ;-)) Dunromin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/13/2009 8:37:17 AM   I admit to reading some posts in this thread with utter shock and horror. No personal offence meant to the poster, but the post laying out the schedule of costs was the real low point for me. I never kept count and I wouldn’t care to, in fact I would be ashamed to admit if I had. 30-60K or maybe much more for us to be together on a permanent basis. Care factor? Zip minus several. If you need to ask the price, you can’t afford the merchandise. As to the OP asking about salary levels. Buddy, there is no formula. Some tits need expensive bra’s and some don’t. If you’ve been married before, reckon on a foreign partner costing 2 ½ times to keep for the first couple of years and then it might even out somewhat but don’t count on it. I notice a crap load of nonsense in a few threads about lurv being enough and money is not important if you find the right girl. Whilst it contains an element of truth, it is very misleading and flippant. Money matters and it matters big time in an international marriage. If you are living on the bones, you are on a hiding to nothing. You might pull it off but there is a better than even chance you won’t. Good FSU girls are excellent with money but they are not cheap to keep. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > For the married w/ FSU women: how much annual salary seem reasonable?
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