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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Deficit of men in Ukraine makes 3.6 millions Author Post devilmaycare Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/23/2009 1:36:06 PM   Well of course we all knew this didn't we ?. I meant there are plenty of available "nice" men in Ukraine but they all earn $200 a month ... that's the reality. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/23/2009 3:16:02 PM   Really, it's more than that. I know a woman in Kyiv who is not very concerned about money... she is setting up house with an FSU guy who probably will only earn a typical wage, as does she. At one time, she posted on one of the big websites (some guys here have no doubt seen her picture), telling me that she had given up hope of finding a good husband in Ukraine. I don't think it's about money. I think it's about finding a man who (in addition to having the basic human qualities an individual woman finds attractive) will care for his family, isn't a liar, isn't mean-spirited, has and keeps a job, and doesn't abuse alcohol and narcotics. The perception in Ukraine (and I've heard Ukrainians talk about the big population imbalance that is the subject of this thread) is that there are lots of good men, but not enough for the women who want a good mate. Whether there is an objective gender imbalance, lots of people believe it, and that's the thing. The belief is that a man who makes good husband material - because there are not enough - can take his pick, and is likely to marry the prettiest young woman without children. If you believe this, a woman in her 30s (especially with children) has very dim prospects. And I think that their experience trying to meet men "at home" is discouraging - sure, you can date, but finding a man to make a family (apparently) is tough. We all know that there are plenty of crooks, sponges and other assorted bad girls on the websites, but thousands of these women are seriously searching for a husband. It's not because they don't like men from their own country (they do), or prefer to leave their country (most of them would much rather stay near family, friends, and familiar places). They simply want a good husband, and are discouraged about finding the right man in their own town. Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/23/2009 11:33:51 PM   200 a month is what is printed and compares to our minimum wage. Many women and men there make a grand a month but if you want to live like you do in your country you better be a good juggler to live on 200 or 1000 either one. Just try it next time you go. Even try that above your apartment rent. If you are staying 2 weeks, half a month take a 500 dollar bill and see if you can be as thrifty as they are. Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/23/2009 11:45:31 PM   I looked but I can't find a 500 dollar bill! < smiling> Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/23/2009 11:59:15 PM   It has been a while since I have had a 500 dollar bill too. Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2009 3:48:04 AM   I am glad durak mentioned the thread headline again - most of you are heading off on a track about WHY women look outside their own country and male pool. There is a major imbalance of the sex's. But back to the "off track" subject (catchy isn't it) A lot of young married couples over there start their first years together living with one of their parents in cramped non private environments. That alone destroys a lot of sound and possibly potential long termers . bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2009 5:42:42 AM   I wonder how many just want a better life, A place where you can have a family and some security. I am sure as women age things like having a home and stable income become more important. we here in America seem to expect a lot more out of life. we have jobs if we want them we have fancy cars homes and can make a few bucks on the side if we want. I could not blame a woman for looking for a foreign man for a better life. I have a friend who works at a local restaurant she lives here with her mom and step dad. the thing she liked best is you get paid for all the hours you work. from what I have seen in my travels is people have the same basic desires to have some one who they are happy with. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/26/2009 3:32:37 AM   What's wrong with wanting a better life. My wife and I were having this discussion tonight outside eating our meal. Funny how guys work and strive for a better life then go meet some woman from a foreign country then they get shot down and it's the women only looking for a better life.Weren't you looking for a better life meeting a woman overseas, or was it a slave you were looking for? Like it's some evil thing. Way too funny to me. We all want a better life, few are willing to work for it or admit it. When a man can't rationalize his stupidity enough he'll blame the girl in the FSU for wanting a better life. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/26/2009 4:50:41 AM   Why do many continue in education after finishing school? ..... Because they want a better life! Texasdude Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/27/2009 1:05:00 AM   Wanting a better life, self preservation is not wrong. It is what it is, that's all. devilmaycare Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/27/2009 9:30:16 AM   "I don't think it's about money." Most women will say the "I'm just looking for a good man" because they don't want to spook a good prospect. Many even believe it themselves probably even under torture or polygraph, but the thing is that women relate to wealth and comfort on a deep sub-concious level because they have millions of years of genetic heritage that drives them to seek a safe and secure environment for themselves and their children. Its the same force that drives us to seek young attractive healthy fit fertile women. Its all perfectly healthy and understandable. Lets all be honest about what's happening here - we are offering these women a life for themselves and their child with prospects that they simply don't have at home. In turn they are lowering their sites a little in terms of the level of attractiveness and youth of the man they are willing to settle for. Anyone who thinks that anything different is going on is deluding themselves. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/27/2009 11:04:50 AM   I can agree with nasfan (when he's not feuding with people) - there's nothing wrong with wanting a better life! That's what brought my country (USA) into being, and has kept it vital for more than 2 centuries - people who want a better life come here to improve their opportunities. Most FSU women are very fond of their country, home town, and all of their family living there. They don't pursue the possibility of a foreign husband because it's their dream to go to another country, they do so because they want to have a happy family life. It's a sad circumstance that some miserable conditions in most of the FSU have led many fine, well-educated and responsible women to lose hope of finding that happy family life at home. International dating can provide them with the possibility for their dream to come true, and I hope, a possibility for my dream to come true also. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/27/2009 11:50:46 AM   Another personal story about a different young woman in Kyiv (the daughter of one my Ukrainian friends here in America) ... She is (I believe) at the end of her 20s, an absolutely model-pretty blonde (I haven't met her, but have seen several photos), and the mother of a small boy. She also had become very discouraged about meeting a man at home, and went on to a Russian-language dating website (NOT one catering to western men). Through this site, she met a man from one of the former Soviet republics that is not traditionally Russian speaking, though he has excellent Russian and speaks many languages. They fell in love and are practically engaged. His work might take him to many parts of the world, so they may end up living outside of Ukraine. I add this story only to underscore the point: in the eyes of many FSU women, especially if they are 30+ and/or are single moms, finding a good husband seems almost impossible, and they become willing to look far from home. For them, there IS a deficit of SUITABLE men. jp149 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/6/2011 4:56:18 PM   "A Russian man always open the doors for the woman, always help her with her coat, helps her out of the bus or automobile and always sits her first. These and other things I probably don't know about western men do not do for the FSU women which account for some of their antagonistic attitude." I believe this is due to a difference in culture that "western" women and "paternal" cultured women have. I've found that FSU women are more open to being a housewife and open to take the demure role in a relationship; men who are from "western" society who are taught not to be sexist do not in general behave like this(opening doors, pulling out chairs, standing when women leave the table) I am not saying that I do not do this it really all depends on the type of "woman" you are in the company of; For those who don't agree with me should ponder the saying "Feminism killed chivalry" And before you say it... yes I am somewhat jaded by "western" women IN GENERAL, not all women. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2011 1:37:40 AM   jp149,,,, I think you have the first part of your story backwards!!! I have heard nothing but;,, How a "Western" man opens doors, helps with her coat, pulls out the chair for the woman, sees to her every need!! I have watched Russian men do nothing,,, letting a door slam in a woman's face,,, it happens every few minutes at KBP!! I have always been told how nice I am!! I do agree with what you said about "Feminism Killed Chivalry" !!! Why be courtious to someone who never says; thank you??? lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2011 7:27:49 PM   danny,,, if we ever meet,,, I'll help you with your chair!!! jp149 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/9/2011 4:17:52 AM   please let me elucidate my previous post, I was not promulgating that the quote "A Russian man always open the doors for the woman" was accurate. I was merely stating why this may be, but if this is true then I guess you/we would score some points for not being ill mannered... although I think Armin would think we are denigrating the whole Ukrainian male gender.... again ;) Which I am not because I don't have extensive experience with them. giss Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/11/2011 11:28:30 AM   I asked a married Ukrainian woman last week about her marriage. She said she was married to "a good man". Her friend instantly disagreed. She said she works while her husband hangs around the house drinking. When she gets home she cleans, cooks, and does the dishes. She continued about men in general saying "this is the life of a Ukrainian woman. We just hope they don't embarrass us too much with their affairs". Hmm now how could any woman prefer an honest devoted man from another country to that? Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Deficit of men in Ukraine makes 3.6 millions
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