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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > webcam girl Author Post craigsutton Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/28/2009 4:46:01 AM   If a woman is a stripper, how does this make her a bad Mother? I see many of todays mothers who cannot cope with 2-3 small kids and yet, women from an earlier generation have been known to have 10 or more kids, that have been brought up on bread and Jam and going without a lot of household items, we can now afford to buy from the supermarket selves. Does this make her a bad role model for others to judge her? craigsutton Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/28/2009 4:52:05 AM   Muzzy, you forgot to add the American business man who needs to make a buck out it too. Somebody has to pay and it won't be him. I'm not attacking anyone either about this, It's just another way of looking at it, considering this is where most of the problem starts from. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/28/2009 10:42:15 AM   Muzzy, you made me think. Hmmmmmmmm, a few years back I met a very nice lady. She was definitely put together very well. We dated for a while. She had a son and was shafted in a divorce. I do not know all of the details. But she had to supplement her income as a 'stripper'. She was not proud of it. She said it was the worst time of her life. She also works in social services and is a very good Mother. Some may act out of necessity and others may act out of greed. It's a tough call to make that determination until you actually really know the person. If I had known this lady was a stripper before we met, I would not have discovered what a kind and loving person she really was. RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/28/2009 6:02:02 PM   In the words of June Cleaver in the movie "Airplane" ,,, "Chump don't want the help,,,, chump don't get the help.". Been there and done that.. My point was only,,, you can't save her,, she has to find out for herself. If a man lives on the blessings of a woman,, he's not much of a man. Now Muzzy, you know it's a better place to choose a wife from the congregation than a "Titty Bar". There is still redemption, but it is sought,, not given. Jesus did give comfort and counsel to the thieves and prostitutes,,, but he moved on in his journey as a "Fisher of Men". They were welcome to chose to come along, but he didn't wait for their change of heart. God's word, but personal choice.. Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/29/2009 3:41:40 AM   Point taken mate, and I'm not suggesting our man here drops everything and does a 'Hosea'. Sure, everyone has to make their own choice (which everyone in ministry finds out after the odd broken heart), but no-one is beyond the point where they can decide to turn it around. I'm pretty sure we're actually agreeing on this, just from different angles nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/29/2009 4:35:29 AM   That's the problem with most modern societys today, and the fall of them. Moral judgements. let's not make them and keep our head in the sand. Let's not get involved, it's not my problem. It's like what has happened to modern religion by the egalitarians and radical individualists. If a church changes it's doctrine to follow it's members views it's difficult to see the value in that church or religion in itself. When we say we cannot judge that's where we lose our direction as a society, thus the meltdown we are seeing in the west today. Our values are all askew. The nihilist will come up with any story to justify a situation.I'll admire and honor a woman who waits tables or works in McDonalds before I will justify a stripper. Just like modern churches now they talk about love, kindness and eternal life. Not about salvation and damnation, or sin or virtue. No don't talk about the difficult concepts. For us in the States, I'm 51 I grew up in a society as a child that didn't have the killing, especially of our youth like we do today. We didn't have the social breakdown we have now. What changed? Many ponder, but we devauled life down to a choice. We glorified the criminal element in our lives. We defended pornography as a first amendment right. Instead of a helping hand we created generations of lifestyles. Instead of punishing criminals we rehabilitate them. The spoiled 60's generation destroyed the values that my fathers generation and the greatest generation of my life stood for. We reap what we sow. It happened to all great societys, the Greeks the Romans, when decadence came in, the great societys disappeared. Webcam girl or stripper, what value does on put on their dignity? I guess I could justify a thief if I wanted to. You know it's hard times out there. Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/29/2009 6:28:56 AM   Nasfan, I agree with much of what you say - especially the social degradation which does indeed go had in hand with the 'me first' culture. No arguments there. Still... "The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they alone knew everything and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for girls, they are forward, immodest and unwomanly in speech, behaviour and dress." - Peter the Hermit, eleventh century AD (also attributed by some to Plato) "Our young men have grown slothful. There is not a single honourable occupation for which they will toil night and day. They sing and dance and grow effeminate and curl their hair and learn womanish tricks of speech; They are as languid as women and deck themselves out with unbecoming ornaments. Without strength, without energy, they add nothing during life to the gifts with which they were born - then they complain of their lot" - Seneca, first century AD "The children now love luxury; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in places of exercise. Children are tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties [food] at the table, cross their legs and tyrannise their teachers" - Socrates, fourth century BC and my absolute favourite: "We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self control." - a 6,000 year old inscription on an Egyptian tomb. It is the habbit of every generation to blame the decay of society on the succeeding generation, with the adage "it was better in my day" a never ending mantra. Unfortunately, the data just doesn't support this, and every preceding generation held the same view about those who are now complaining. The world doesn't change much, the blame just gets shifted around. The 1950's were a significantly more dangerous time both for young people and older people in danger of being attacked by young people, than today (again, going from scientific data). In the end, what is said today is the same thing that was said hundreds, if not thousands of years ago. The last time I made a point about this was when I was doing a study comparing the comments parents make about modern pop music, to the comments made about the music those same parents listened to when they were teenagers. This all comes from someone who last Friday had to forcibly eject 7 knife wielding teenage thugs from a youth club. I talk to my 62 year old dad who saw the same thing going on when he was a teenager. None of this means that I'm suggesting that morality is relative - far from it. I don't in any way suggest that the meta-narrative is pliable. Still, our society is OUR society, The problems in behaviour of any generation is a failure of the generation that raised them. It is simply not enough to with a stroke of a key dismiss swathes of society as 'beyond hope', or to in some way elevate ourselves as 'better people'. As the saying goes "there but for the grace of God". Relativism is the biggest curse on todays society, right alongside indifference. There are those who fall further into negative lifestyles, and there are those who tut and shake their heads from a distance. Both are culpable. Nobody is suggesting that stripping is a good thing, I'm simply warning against short shrift glib write-offs. Oh, and speaking of God and all things church-related. You're right, there are SOME churches that only focus on the nice images, but certainly not all. Those following Jesus would remember that he talked more about hell than heaven. Still, a literary type such as you will of course already know that Gospel means 'good news', which is what Jesus specifically sent his followers out to give, so I don't assume you're saying that all preaching about love is a bad thing. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" - which is why I guess Jesus neither justified a thief, nor judged him, but simply forgave him (Luke 23:43). Of course, the guy on the other side of Jesus falls into Durak's "chump don't get the help" category, but surely the point here is that Jesus knew which was which because he was right in the middle of them. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/29/2009 9:34:30 AM   This is very interesting. I am not myself a literary giant. But I can deduce from the past few posts that many of us think basically the same. Although 'from different angles', there is a common thread in the thinking of how society, to be specific, the USA is falling apart. But it is also the entire world. Freedom of choice. Or as some may understand, "Free Will." It is interesting that because of the lack of morals and indifference by people who care that it basically snowballs. Yet, I hate to bring politics into this again, think of what is happening? The same 'free love, peace and don't trust the grown ups' crowd is now running this country. Makes me wonder. It turns into the liberal agenda once again. And to protest or to show any outward sign of disgust with what is happening you are labelled. And basically attacked and shut down. I'll stop here. Before once again I need to calm down. But the point I wanted to make was that I was hoping to find a woman who was not already ruined by the ways of the western society. There are those who are still shielded from many of the ills going on in the world. My hope was to find one before they are all corrupted. And that is the lure of FSU women to me. RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/29/2009 1:15:28 PM   Thank you Julian. It is'nt necessary to search the world for something on the downtown corner, but grace it seems is hard to find these days in America. In an economy that is depressed, it is where you will find a woman that is tested. If she can keep her dignity under such hardship..... figgis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/30/2009 5:29:42 AM   I will say this about todays world and in particular here in the Uk. When my mother died at the funeral we all said the Lords prayer. After the funeral my brothers kids commented they was really impressed at how you and dad knew the words to this prayer without reading it from the prayer book. It said it all to me, at school in my day we said prayers every day before class, now the kids at our school do not say prayers and this in my opinion is where our modern society goes wrong. Ok it is not all about religion but it says that we are willing to wash away all that made our country and society great for the sake of 24 hour shopping, freedom to migrants human rights and total respect to a persons rights regardless of age. Any british person here will tell you that most town centers are pretty lawless alchohol fueled violent places. They will tell you that a lot of kids today are virtualy free to do and say what they like and the police are powerless. We created this world, I have found that generaly Ukrainian people are happy people who do what is required to get by. My mother i use as a comparison, she was 23 had 4 kids all under the age of 8 no man would be interested in her because of us kids. She did what she had to do to feed us and put clothes on our back. This is pretty much the same for Ukrainian women, a mother will do what is required. Religion and right and wrong does not come into it. I am sure if the wage structure in Ukraine was similar to the western world there would be hardly any agencies of women looking for western men. It is a lifestyle choice for these women many of them have kids and are doing what they need to do for them. The only bad thing about this is a lot of men get hurt and that is largely down to the world that we created. I would never say a woman was wrong but ultimately she will be judged in her own concience and that is the only comfort we can take from some scammers they know that what they are doing is wrong and inside somwhere they hate themselves. Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/30/2009 4:35:58 PM   It gets worse, Figgis. All of us in the UK ministry now know that if we tell people that 'Jesus loves them' (for instance), and they complain, we can actually be arrested AND JAILED for incitement to religious hatred. It's the same thinking that has had Christmas 'iconography' banned from town centres. A similar thing has already happened in Australia, and I know of people in the UK who have been jailed for voicing a historical opinion about Mohammed (and not an offensive one). Then there's the man who successfully sued the Royal Navy a few years back because they didn't make provisions for him to practice his chosen religion - satanism (no, I'm really not kidding). Not witchcraft, not paganism - satanism. He's now free to practice openly on RN vessels - with their support! In addition to a state which enforces uniformity of nothingness (i.e, tolerate everything, believe in nothing), a large part of the problem with UK kids is actually UK parents. I'm not having a go at all parents here, most do a good job. However, in my borough (the 4th most deprived in Europe), most of the trouble kids are born to kids, many of whom were born to kids. When you meet a 40 year old grandparent, it's time to worry. This is when I consider the kids - what role model do they have? When they're raised by alcoholic, multiple-partner, borderline-criminal parents, on an estate where most families are the same, what chance do they seriously have? This glut of problems has been generations in the making, and it certainly wont be quick to fix - assuming anyone's interested in fixing it, or is legally allowed to. Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/30/2009 5:13:49 PM   You sure you are in the UK and not USA? figgis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/30/2009 5:36:04 PM   There are some good points there, my brother for example is a grandparent to 4 kids and he is only 44. His ex wife left him for his best friend and later turned herself into an alchoholic. The kids were allowed to run riot and the end result is 3 teenage pregnancies. As for Ukraine i am not sure about the teenage pregnancy levels. I have heard about there being a lot of orphans there. My only critisism of Ukraine is that it seems socialy aceptable for agencies and women to lie and scam men for money. It does to a degree seem pretty lawless there and the agencies are alowed to get away with it, this is the only sad thing about it for me. A lot of girls that are daters and gold diggers could be significantly better off if they actualy married a guy rather than rip him and countless other men off. Personly i get more satisfaction from from doing something good. A vast majority of the daters and gold diggers hurt and destroy men and think nothing of it. This is not as a result of a man getting duped by her this is as a result of a society that allowes this attitude and behaviour to be socialy acceptable. The only people who can stop the scammers are the people of Ukraine and Russia by saying this is wrong and we will not support it. Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/30/2009 5:37:01 PM   No no, definately a limey :) I think the problems are pretty global though. Sometimes I'm tempted by the wisdom of Marge Simpson "shoot em all and let God sort em out" (I kid, I kid) :P durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/30/2009 7:49:13 PM   figgis -- About 3 years ago, a bill was introduced in the Russian Duma (legislature) to deprive any Russian woman of her citizenship, if she marries a foreign man. Thank goodness, this stupidity didn't go through. But it shows how much they care about guys like us. devilmaycare Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/1/2009 6:56:36 AM   Seems like is a lot of moral posturing going on here, and as for this idea that sexual liberalism is responsible for the moral breakdown of society - give me a break please. Societies are breaking down exactly because people are becoming less tolerant, more judgemental, and abdicating personal responsibility for their own moral code. I have a very good female friend who is studying at college and wants to be a doctor and she funds her studies partly by doing web cam sessions. Does this stop her from being a normal caring well balanced person ? no not at all. Sure she's a bright girl who could easily money by other means but this just happens to be the most convenient way she has found. Any man who would turn down the opportunity to have such a great all round woman as a partner because she did this is a close minded fool. figgis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/1/2009 8:08:35 AM   That is a fair comment, we can all say words to the affect of it would never have happened in my day. It seems that any method any way of getting by is ok now. Maybe in 20 years time it will be socialy acceptable for a son to maybe finance his college fees by being a part time assasin or drug dealer and a daughter to be a prostitute or part time mugger. Who knows where we are going, just makes you think what next. Where do we draw the line and say lets not accept this anymore. alexander Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/1/2009 9:57:55 AM   I am an open person, but I think there is too much liberalism in Ukraine now... Yes, grown up people have brains.. but how can you control what your kids watch on TV when you are away? And we have a lot of crap coming from Hollywood, violence and sex... that's sad... kids are kids, they don't see much difference between good and bad, you must teach them and they get a lot this bad stuff getting in their brains and they start to accept that as a normal thing. devilmaycare Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/1/2009 10:38:19 AM   Well we live in the information age. People have to learn how to self-filter what they are exposed to at an early age, that s just the way it is. colin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/2/2009 12:12:41 PM   Your very right Devilmaycare ,violence has been blamed on such things as video games and such but the violence dosnt come from them it must be in the person to begin with. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > webcam girl
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