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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > From Socialism to Selling Themselves Online: Out of the fire and into the frying pan for Russian women? Author Post chipscher Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/22/2003 3:27:33 PM   Jet, everyone is looking for the easy way out, go to Russia, meet, take some pictures, come back, wait another year to get her here. Personally, I do not see the benefit of the expense of going there, for what, a week? I do not know of anyone who can make a decision in a week of meeting someone. Plus you run the risk of her not likeing it here, or with you on a permanant basis. That is why I choose not to go there until we are married. There are several options to bring her here, and also cheafper ways to meet. I do not know where you live, but the fiance visa only states that you must meet, it does not say where. Take advantage of the sluggish travel economy, for half the cost of a full trip to Russia, you can meet your lady in Jamaica, or Aruba, or Mexico (just don't let her drink the water!) To me, that is a better way of doing it because you are both on neutral territory, and in winter, she may appreciate the tropical weather. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/22/2003 3:44:45 PM   ... and she may be coming to you for the nice, free vacation, and you won't have the chance to see her in her real environment, and you won't have a chance to meet her family (what a demonstration of disrespect from someone who claims to respect women and their culture), and you'll her send the message that she's a tropical vacation companion, da-da-da-da-da QUESTION: ARE YOU SERIOUS?? read what you write it makes no sense, I mean logically ... and what a committed guy, he can't wait for a year, he needs a gal, he needs her bad and he wants her right now. chipscher Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/22/2003 10:59:25 PM   Maybe I should be committed! ha! We have differeing opinions, but there is no right or wrong way to do this, right? I do not see the difference, weather visiting her place or somewhere else. I am personally very afraid of travelling so far to a different country where I don't know the lauguage. Check that dudes post about his trip awhile ago. The way I see it there is nothing that can be determined by going there that cannot be determined by meeting neutral. In fact, it was some of the ladies that suggested this. Plus you know nothing of my personality, and what I need. I do not need anyone, but I would prefer not to wait many years. The concencus I get is that neither would my lady. deanis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 12:27:22 AM   If I'm not mistaken Russia and Ukraine are not eligible for the DV lottery Visa. Only countries that have immigration or 50,000 or less per year to the US are eligible. Other countries excluded would be Canada, UK, and Mexico. All due to the high amount of Immigrants from those countries. Bottom line is eventually you gotta go there! Myself, I no longer buy addresses or other contact information to correspond and eventually meet Russian or Ukrainian women. Now I just print out ladies profiles, go to their city, find her agency and pay the introduction fee to meet her. The money I saved on not buying addresses and memberships paid for all the cost of the introduction date. I was amazed on how many profiles I would have paid for the address or contact information and later found it no longer valid. Either the girl had moved or was no longer available. All would have been wasted time and money. Also, I had an interpreter/ guide who knew some of the girls from previous clients and she could tell me if the girl was a gold digger or something worse. To get through all the scams and BS that I went through early on I now just go right to the source! jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 10:48:46 AM   Chipster: I'm with wtrav, on this point, what you've written makes no sense at all. You're going to marry her on neutral territory, before bringing her here - because you are afraid she may not like it here or with you on a permanent basis???? So you intend to trap her before she can find out what its like where you live or what you are really like???? You're afraid to go to a foreign country where you don't know the language - but you have no problem expecting a lady to do the same for you??? All I can say is wow. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 11:06:05 AM   Chipster: Just curious - how much of this fantasy and how much is real? You seem to have done some research though I question the validity of much of it. (For instance the J-6 visa, which if it exists at all, isn't mentioned in any of the 3,307,998,700 web pages that Google searches, not even once, except your own mention of it.) Have you made any real plans? Have you got any real women involved? Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 12:55:26 PM   Haven’t been following this, read only this page whilst quickly browsing, and cannot believe the utter stupidity of you Chip! Come on man, catch a farging wakeup! Wtrav & Jetmba are right, they make normal common sense, and by the sounds of it they also have working testosterone. How on earth can you NOT go to her, and FIRST? If you cannot make up your mind, in a full WEEK (what’s wrong with longer?), about the fact if she is worth continuing with then I pity you pal, but maybe you are in general a bit inexperienced with women? If you’ve got a Learners License only then I advice to take lessons, but don’t think you can jump the gun by taking shortcuts. A week being together gives you loadsa info regarding her real person, in fact a day can do this. Some call it gutfeel, quite different than a hard-on. Nobody asks you to pop the question then, but the logical next step would be for her to come to you, a reversal of the situation. Your fist visit to her gives you the info you need, not only regarding herself but also of the environment she lives in, her friends, her work, her bleddy lot mate! If you like what you see, or feel, dunno how forward you might get, then you invite her to come to you. For a VISIT only, and mark my words, she might not like it at all, and this whilst she maybe is madly in love with you! Your prerogative to marry her first in some obscure halfway-house, because it saves some money, and then importing her and dump her in at the deep end. Why corresponding then eh? Specify your prerequisites to a reputable agency and they do the searching for you, and next marry by the Glove – then let her come over! You might even save more! You want to save money, never mind your (plural) emotional burden? Then play by normal common-sense rules mate, you’re looking at life here. “Dating” is part of any courtship, and because of the distance this requires traveling - bloody do it! If you cannot afford it start looking next door, but don’t play high-stake poker if you cannot afford to loose. But in my opinion you’re looking at a future failure, a darn lot more expensive in many ways, born out of the need to save some bucks. I wish you well, but by Jove start thinking for a change. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 1:25:15 PM   Chip, Just an example: She is a slutty teller in a supermarket but can act a bit, however tells you she’s a lawyer. You meet in Aruba, have a bonk of a time, and marry your prize thinking you’ve struck gold. At home, during her acclimatizing period, she does not want to look for work ‘because the laws are different’. But she likes to shop and to go for drinks in the eve, in fact a lot more often than you wish. And when she does she gets tipsy, and starts flirting with the bar-flies, dances too close for comfort with them inviting grubby paws, and she visibly enjoys this. Tell me what’s too far fetched. If you’d went to her place you could have seen all of this. chipscher Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 1:27:07 PM   Woah, hey, I never said anything about marrying on neutral territory. I never ssaid anything to indicate my intentions were anyting but honorable. I guess you are all millionaires who don't work and can spend weeks in another country and blow untold amounts of cash. I work hard for a living, and if I took more than 7 days vacation, I would come back to someone else at my desk. All the ladies I correspond with know I am not a bazillionaire. God Bless you all for having the wherewithall to commute to Russia a few times a year! I cannot do that, especially to someone I have never met before anyway. By meeting in a neutral country it sets the scene for a future visit to her country. It is a place where I am comfortable, and she is comfortable. Depending on how it goes, then I can plan a visit to her country. Don't misread my intentions and assume I am after a cheap peice of ass. I am doing the best I can with what I have. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 1:55:16 PM   If I would have thought you were after a cheap piece then I'd have recommended meeting somewhere exotic: quick, safe & convenient, however would have told you that going to the nearest red-light district is a more viable option saving oodles. Looking at the posting-times above: did you read my second one? Think about it mate, shit happens, go to her first. Feed yourself with impressions which will prove crucial, either way. THAT is the cheapest option (and the most logical one, c'mon now), and you also can take at least a week off. "All the ladies I correspond with ..." ???? Yoo Bro, you've got problems. May I suggest to start selecting a bit more rigorously? Like 'one' to meet, if possible with a backup lined up? I mean, you were trying to save hence I suppose trying to increase the efficiency of your visit. Plan flexible, and MAKE ends meet while you're over. Shit Chip, you're a hard learner. Show some backbone, if anything that's what women like. crashnsplash Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 1:59:19 PM   I think that if you are serious about your lady like I am with mine then you will take the next step and go to her first. I know that I want to show my girl that my intentions with her is not a game. At first I thought of ways I can do it to my benefit and I looked for some kind of easy way to get her here to the USA, but I woke up and realized I was just fooling myself. I don't want to lose her over some stupid decision. Maybe if your the type of guy thats not sure what you want you can believe theres an easy way and you can believe in such a myth. And if thats the case you probably shouldnt be looking overseas. In my case I know what I want and I am willing to do what it takes to see her. I'm not thrilled about going halfway around the world to a country that I don't know. I don't even speak Russian. Believe me I'm nervous about it. But I'm doing it to see her and I can only hope and pray it works out and everything goes well. I'm not rich and this money I spend could go to many things, like my mortgage payment, truck payment, buy extra things my daughter needs.. you get the idea. But I know that I have to make a sacrifice for me to ever have a chance with her, and I'm not about to break her heart. Plus if it means we both find what we want in eachother and it means a lifetime of happiness, theres no dollar figure you can put on that. Going to Russia will definitly be a learning experience. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 2:15:20 PM   Chip, read what Crash has to say - doesn't it make pure common sense? My Man Crash, way to go. Don't worry about your trip, you'll survive and later will rub it off as experience. Been there, done that, and maybe you'll get more than a T-shirt :) Wish you well - when are you going? And where? crashnsplash Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 2:50:32 PM   Thanks Thunder I appreciate it. What keeps me coming back here is reading real world experience people like you have to share. It's helped me alot. I'm going to Saint Petersburg in 3 maybe 4 months. I would go sooner but this trip is taking a little planning for me. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 3:53:05 PM   SPB? Marvellous place, you're going to be an addict. Plenty people also who'll speak some English, just get a small credit-card sized map from the subway (impressive in itself!), and have your girl indicating what's what - piece of cake! Nevsky Prospect you should go to, it's the high-street, and in and around it there's plenty to do, and also you'll find plenty of spots nearby you want to see. You realize that postponing has dangers? Not too much is my advice - but it should be possible I agree (work on it?). Goodluck, and enjoy! gladiatorUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 7:44:00 PM   For what it's worth Crash I agree with Thunder on that one.....I realise that trips out there can take a lot of planning/cash,but do it as soon as you can.I have tried both options and the sooner option definitely works best. crashnsplash Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 8:26:58 PM   Thanks for the advice guys, I will definitly take your advice and make it as soon as I can. gladiatorUK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/23/2003 9:23:47 PM   Good Luck Crash.......hope it all works out for you,and we can add another success story here! benzinolove Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/24/2003 10:41:53 AM   hi am benedict from and i wish to get a letter of invitation from any friend(willing)to send one i would be very greetfull.am a very easy going person,single and most caring.u could mail me on tompinkk@yahoo.co.uk so i we can get to know more better.i could send more info about you if you care. chipscher Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/24/2003 4:34:31 PM   Thunder, you bring up a valid argument, however any lady can act. I doubt that she would be all that in her country, knowing she is under the microscope. JG Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/25/2003 10:30:16 AM   Yes, to answer one of the above points, I am very much wanting to have a family so I want a woman with enough years left to do this. I feel there is nothing wrong with this. Maybe I am wrong, but I read a point above which I agree. American women over age 35 or so either have children already or do not want children because of their age. And yes, a lot are much older physically than their age would indicate. As for myself, I do not fear the maturity level of an older woman. In fact, all the relationships (and my one marriage) were all with women older than me. That is fine for a relationship but not good when you want to start a family at an older age like I do. Yes, I waiting a lot longer than most men, but I realize it's never too late unless you think that way. And maybe a lot of these men advertised are old and fat and all that like is pointed out above. I haven't seen the men's catalogs so I don't know for sure. But I myself am not. That is why I refuse to settle for less than what I really want. But like I said, I haven't found a younger woman here in nationwide online dating listings that I was sure was a life partner when I corresponded with them. Here, I feel I have. And I like the differences of opinion described here in the forums and reading the experiences of others. I try to keep an open mind. In any event, this contributes to my life experiences and a year from now I will know a lot more than I do today. I guess it's what they call "Live and Learn." I give an accurate and honest account of myself to the lady that interests me. I feel she is doing the same. I know not all of them do. But I know I would be willing to make an effort in any way possible if I felt she is the one I seek. If my correspondence with this lady becomes more positive, I would even enroll in a Russian language course here at the university. Why? Because any solid relationship should involve some give and take. If I am truly serious, then I would take serious steps. Yes, it would be difficult to learn a new language from stratch, but then again if she is my true life partner it is worth it ten times over. Why not learn some elementary Russian to help ease her transition? Has anyone done this yet? Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > From Socialism to Selling Themselves Online: Out of the fire and into the frying pan for Russian women?
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