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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > What's the best way to send Money Author Post ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2010 11:16:52 AM   What opinion, Rodan? This is your first post on this thread. Are you one of those who uses more than one name and forgets what name you are using? RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2010 1:07:46 PM   My opinion was inferred in the one paragraph I wrote. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2010 5:51:47 PM   That's my opinion too, Rodan with some exceptions, which is travel to meet in another city other than where she lives. I don't see anyone here against that, which is why I am questioning you. How can it be a minority opinion? Most are simply stating ways in which they sent money. I am stating my experiences here because I see the following statement often. In this case, sjg-uk posted it twice, once in two different threads along with his website advertising. ''What's the best way to send Money'' - DON'T - is the best advise !!!! There are exceptions, such as what I posted above and if you have already met her and have a relationship. Yet, people in this forum post this without allowing the exceptions. RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/11/2010 7:59:37 PM   Ragingbull: In the other thread you wrote of giving to the elderly on the streets. I have written about the collapse of the Soviet Union and the devastating effect on that generation. Many have just disappeared from this life. Something that the elite in this country do not believe will happen here (USA), but I digress. Generally the ladies are very stoic and reserved, especially in public. In February we were entering the Metro and a young blind man was standing underground with a cup. My lady pointed to the man and said blind man. I turned to look and his eyes were clouded. I reached into my pocket and gave him my paper money. I am not even aware of how much it was, but in my world it was little. My lady broke down and began to cry without concern. It was in fact shared gratitude from her. The next day I knocked a man out of the Metro for trying to pick my pocket. Also with no concern and little grace, as his 3 confederates did nothing Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2010 4:52:32 AM   I agree with ragingbull that one can't credibly say "Don't" because, as RB says, there are exceptions and the original poster, that asked this question, didn't specify if it was to someone one had met or never met. There is a golden rule that one should never send money to someone one has never met although I do find it difficult to disagree with RB's experience of sending a minor amount, to a stranger, for train ticket(s), I guess there is also a saying "Nothing ventured. nothing gained". One of the favourite scams has been monies for air tickets, these run in to 100's, rather than 10's, of dollars however the majority of air tickets can be booked and paid for online with no need for money to be sent but it is surprising how many guys still fall for sending money for air tickets etc. But these refer to sending money to someone one has never met, not to someone one has met and/or is the partner of. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2010 2:43:53 PM   I can't tell how many times I have been flamed for telling the same story in these two threads. It's basically the same story, but now people are more understanding. It's just that it wasn't too long ago that you would get flamed for doing things that is against another's principles. I do not recommend sending anyone money that you are not willing to lose because you will never see it again. Furthermore, relationships are just that......... I did see the babushka's on the subways. With the record lows in temperatures this year someone posted that there were still quite a few of them. Now, Rodan didn't you ask the question of where would the blind man or the babushka's would be if western man hadn't come along? By the way, Martin I gave more than just for train tickets to my gf before I met my her. I gave her money for two days accomodations in an apartment and to fix her phone. I only spoke to her one time on her phone three weeks before I visited ther. She said she was able to talk to me because she used her friend's phone with her sim card. I was not comfortable my meeting her in Kiev and her phone was not working. Of course, others would not have believed her. I saw the phone myself. I got in trouble for opening and closing it too much because it was sensitive. sjg-uk Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2010 6:04:43 PM   ''Not-so-Smart Martin'' , after seeing the website that you have set up, (Lena Boby), I thought you of all people would advise the guys on this forum NOT to send money !!! Your website was great entertainment ! You are obviously someone who can offer us all great advise - NOT !! And as for advertising , I see you are not adverse to that either !! ''RacingBulldoser'' for the record, kharkovinfo.com is not my companies site. Kirkland Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2010 6:43:09 PM   I don't think giving small change to a homeless person and giving money to your lady can be considered the same thing. You give money to the homeless out of pity. You give money to your lady as a downpayment for later things. That's the way I see it. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2010 6:55:32 PM   That is why you get pissed off when the relationship sours. That would be buying her love. If it's really love, it is giving, but expecting nothing in return. Kirkland Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2010 7:10:21 PM   I get pissed off when it sours and I get fucked over for a large amount while she contributed zero and in fact cleaned out the savings while I was away. However you make a good point about "If it's really love, it is giving, but expecting nothing in return." It's a storybook life when you are in a position to be able to say that and want to do it hand on heart. Kudos to you for getting to that place. I'm moving towards that myself and I guess excorsising the bitterness slowly but surely with the help of my good lady. I don't see an fsu woamn being able to do that somehow...maybe I'm wrong, but I never found them to be wired for empathy. Guess I still have a little bit more introspection to do. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/12/2010 8:47:54 PM   That's not giving. That's theft. You have a right to get pissed off. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2010 5:32:30 AM   ragingbull, I can't say that I can agree to sending more than a minimal amount of money to a person one hasn't yet met, it seems you got lucky but more often than not such scenarios are scams and I think we need to be careful what we may write on such a forum. I say this because, being more often than not scams, many a guy will be asked to send money, perhaps for accommodation or a phone, they may well Google, read what you or another may have written, and think that because it worked out for you then it is OK for them to do the same. GeminiDreams Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2010 6:07:52 AM   Many write blindly dont send money or give anything before you meet. Reality is that travel is expensive and time consuming. I would prefer to lose a couple of hundred dollars and find out I was wrong before forking out time and money going to some out of the way town costing a lot more than that to visit. On the other hand getting a positive outcome helps build up trust. If you cannot afford a few hundred dollars here and there then this is not something you should be undertaking. If you are sending thousand well that is another matter. sjg-uk Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2010 8:18:39 AM   I understand what you're saying, but most of these Dating Agencies are scammers with the so called girl friend. They build up trust and hit you with a so called problem that needs cash. For reference guys, an internet monthly cost here is about $12, also there are free WiFi spots all over the city. Monthly mobile phone costs about $4. So don't get fooled into paying more for her. Just this week, a Dating agency rented an apartment from us, for a guy and when we met the Manager to collect our rent, she was with the so called girl friend, exchanging cash and laughing about how much they had earnt so far this month together. Just look at some of these poor guys stories and you'll see how much they have sent before even meeting the so called girl. Some of these guys spend their life savings, thinking that the beautiful 25 year old picture they saw on the internet, is really going to fall for the 50+ year old man. Why these guys don't get realistic and choose a girl 10-15 years difference. It will reduce the likelyhood of being taken for a ride some what. It makes us laugh when you see a guy who is better suited to being with her mum, than her. There are lots of ladies here in Kharkov and elsewhere in Ukraine, that are genuine. Just becareful is what I'm saying, and try to hold on to your hard earnt cash until you get here. Then spend it together. It will increase the chances of a 'leg-over' some what !! Whats the point being the ''big I am'' , throwing money down the pan via the internet and international transfers, money grammes etc. Get on a plane and bring the cash/credit card, so you can impress the girl face-face !! That way you can look her in the eye, before you part with your money. There are hundreds of real ladies here of all ages, just waiting for Mr Right. The local guys hardly turn their heads as yet another gorgeous tall blonde with high heels walks past. I'm happily married to one now, but you have to look , don't you !! ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2010 2:22:37 PM   I don't think she would have came if I didn't send money for the accomodations. Think of it. She was taking a risk too. What if she got the train fare, got to Kiev and I didn't show up? The phone is another matter. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/14/2010 11:24:02 AM   I haven't sent money -- so far, any gifts were in person. Probably like most men here, it would be "lights out" if a woman I haven't met asked me for something. On the other hand, if a woman expresses willingness to travel from her town in order to meet me, I am completely open to covering her ticket. Fortunately, by the magic of internet, it has become very practical to buy air or train tickets for her, which for me is more comfortable than wiring money (and possibly cheaper too). To buy tickets on these websites, it is usually necessary to know the traveler's passport number (and in some cases, full home address). Also, some of the websites are only in Russian language. ragingbull's point above is important: the sincere women are facing risks that are just as big for them (or perhaps bigger) than those we complain about. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/14/2010 2:42:46 PM   A sincere woman who would care about how much you spend would take a train instead of a plane. I took a train from Kiev to Simferopol, almost the whole length of Ukraine from North to South. It cost less than $25 USD, if I remember correctly. Are you going to pay that on line and have her go on your schedule? What if she doesn't make the train? Guys, send the money. GeminiDreams Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/15/2010 1:14:02 AM   I sent $200 once for travel money. I had my suspicions but I just didnt have time to travel to her. She didnt show and I met my current wife instead! Cant say Im sweating on the $200 compared to travelling there for a washout and missing the opportunity for meeting my wife. Point is keep it in perspective and to achieve an outcome that benefits you as well as her! micheal Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/15/2010 5:09:45 AM   Very good post sjg-uk. It still amazes me to see the 50+ guy trying for the 20 something. The part about, " Best being suited to her Mom", is spot on. " The local guys don't turn their heads to look". ...I noticed this on day 2. What is it with this type of Russian/ Ukrainian men mentality??? Another man on the forum wrote, if you are too cheap with the money ( restaurants, gifts etc) this doesn't go over very well. I thought this was an interesting observation. sjg-uk, would you say in your opinion that, if a woman was using the same sentences in her letters, letters that are 12 Months apart, to 2 different men, would you say this is normal for the agency to do this, or would it be the woman OR perhaps both? sjg-uk Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/15/2010 12:20:23 PM   Michael - most agencies are scammers, well the ones I here about anyway - remember bad news always travels faster than good ! Anastasia.com for example, (I'm sure you have all spoke about them lots before), they took money from a guy directly, reserved an apartment with a friend of ours , and said that the guy would pay on arrival, but of course he had already paid Anastasia ! , so when he arrived at midnight there was alot of arguing with the apartment owner, who had not had a penny. Agencies don't answer their phones at night, not like us owners, so the guy had to pay again ! - needless to say, he never got his money back from Anastasia.com Try to book apartments , where ever you go , directly with the owners. Dating agencies just want to get as much money as quickly as possible. Letters - don't get into emails/letters etc. The girls all have access to Skype,message or video, just do a contact email first, then exchange skype numbers. Always speak directly, never through a 3rd party. If they don't want to do this, move on, cause theres lots that will. The scammer girls and agencies will have pre-made letters/emails - instant messaging/speaking on skype will reduce your risks alot. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > What's the best way to send Money
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