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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > ANASTASIA ROMANCE SOCIALS STINK Author Post jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 4:26:03 PM   Secr3t: Do you make a regualr habit of solving problems that don't need solving? (And that aren't problems.) With every girl I have met we have covered the issue of children. I am a fairly young 53 and I would LOVE to have children again. Its true its not the most convenient decision but its one I have thought long and hard about. If the girl is willing then so am I. I am fully aware that younger women are likely to want to have children and that dating a younger woman requires the consideration of that event. Now - want to give me some advice on how to fix my car? No, nothing is wrong with it. It works just fine. But that fact alone doesn't seem to disuade you from wanting to fix things anyway. Secr3t Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 6:35:45 PM   Jesus another defensive guy that seems to take any comment (even when clearly stated that it wasn't a personal slight on you or anyone else but just a comment) as a personal attack, it was a general comment and nothing more about kids and a significant age gap. But hey each to there own, just curious why post anything if you don't want people to respond? So if nothings wrong and romance socials are so great why say Anastasia socials stink? So you had a bad experience in from what I can gather in one city? what about other cities? you complain about other people not being objective and yet you want to complain bitterly after a bad experience in one city? how is that objective? I would be the last person to defend AFA/Anastasia/DM or any of the others. I personally think they are all as bad as one another in there miss leading portrayal of FSU girls and there business model. But it is a personal view, a few guys that work with me or for me have met and married girls they have met on DM/EM/Anastasia, so yes I know it can work. "Bottom line. IT WORKS (Romance Socials). I am proof." I think from your personal revelations earlier a few are going to have a little difficulty with that comment, but again just a personal view and maybe you have just explained yourself badly or given an incorrect impression of yourself. But I am going to leave it at that as I have no interest in getting into a pissing contest baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 7:11:33 PM   Yes it can work but the men have to have realistic expectations of what type of woman they will attract. Some are in their mid 50's and are looking for young 20-30 year olds, never married and with no children. Chances there are not so hot. If that same guy looked at 30-40 year old, maybe divorced and maybe with a small child, then he has lots of chances. It's all about the possbilities. Why do some men keep doing this? They have been brain-washed by the agencies that these women are really looking to leave their country and that they offer the best hope for it. It's a lot more than that. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 7:45:46 PM   A guy, and I'm not referring to jetmba or anyone in particular, can become brainwashed in the early days when faced with all these online ladies profiling for guys outside of a reasonable age difference and it comes with experience to realise such ladies are, more often the case, agency window dressing, professional daters, scammers etc, however the brainwash may have already taken effect even though one experiences failure after failure. Sooner or later one may shake off the brainwashing, realise that these ladies are not desperate to hook up with a guy perhaps 25-30 years their senior, or indeed leave their home country, and much of this misinformation comes from these spring-up agencies and in particular, I have to say, these US based agencies. All jetmba intended in this thread was to warn guys away from Anastasia, just Google for 'Anastasia Scam', indeed there are two members of this forum that only post to promote their slating of Anastasia, they even have their own website on the subject, why is it jetmba comes in for critism for doing that same badmouthing of Anastasia that umpteen of others do? I've had my say and I rest my case. P.S. jetmba, check your PM's please. Secr3t Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 9:13:41 PM   baron555 and Ivor exactly the point I was making (admittedly badly) I think the biggest thing a lot of the big 3 sites are guilty of is miss representing FSU girls and the real chances a 50+ year old guy is going to have finding someone 25-30 years there junior. You just don't see it that often in Russia/Ukraine so why should a girl suddenly want to find a guy 25-30 years her senior just because he is from America/Europe.. Yes it does happen, but you do have to question motives when it does, of course there are exceptions. Ivor I totally agree on the whole Anastasia thing, and the same goes for two of the other big sites too, as stated previously I would be the last to defend them.. I would defend some of the girls on those sites as they genuinely don't realise at first the motives of the sites or local agencies, but the point is guys do need to keep a grip on reality when chasing a FSU girl, they don't expect to hook up with a seriously beautiful twenty something in there local bar so why would they in the FSU? I don't have a problem with anyone warning against Anastasia, also I don't think anyone was criticising him over his warning about Anastasia either, I think what caused the disagreement was the other comments and context of the criticism. None of what I said was a personal comment about an individual or personal criticism of jetmba, he just seemed to take it as such, especially my post about age related differences. Personally I think "Socials" in general are the worst way to meet genuine FSU girls, there are no short cuts to finding the one or even on the most basic level finding a genuine girl who really wants to meet someone. As long as guys go to these socials with eyes open and realise just how the Socials work and who typically goes to them (as attested by other posters too) then good luck to them. In my view they are a great revenue earner for the agencies and not much else. But again that is a personal opinion and not a criticism of anyone in particular. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2010 9:55:16 PM   Secr3t: You have no desire to start a pissing contest? Perhaps you aren't very observant - but you started that several posts ago. You taken pot-shot after pot-shot at me repeatedly, requiring me to defend myself about the time I've taken, the number of ladies I've ben involved with (too many for your liking), my age difference, my supposed trouble with the "intentions" of the Anastasia ladies (and I repeat I have NVER suggested that the ladies had bad intentions). You've accused me of beinng a "whiner" recarding the cost involved (again I've never said a thing about the cost) and even decided that I would be a failure and would look back and realize I DESERVED IT! (if anything again, I've had too much success). I have been spending so much time dodging your personal attacks and bullets for what you ASSUME might be my problems with Anastasia that it has barely come out what my problems was! After throwing everything you had at me, using every sling and arrow, and being rebuffed on every single one of your talking points - you top it off by accusing me of being DEFENSIVE?! You are truly bizarre, fella. Do you have problems with numbers? The Romance SOcials were small. About a FIFTH the size of an AFA Social and poorly managed. I will give details later. I'm a little tired now from dodging your bullets regarding what you GUESSED my complaint might be. When I started this thread I was admittedly vague. I intended to give details in later threads. But I've been far too busy defending myself from your attacks regarding what you IMAGINE my complaint to be to do that. SO just calm down fella. Put the pisser away for a while and when I have time I will explain later.. Thank you for your kind consideration. Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 12:43:54 AM   Well put jetmba Harvey Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 6:26:24 AM   quite a lively discussion... I will add that the chances of meeting a woman from Ukraine and it working out is very slim. The chances of meeting and marrying a beautiful lady 20 yrs younger is ridiculously slim. And slimmer for it to last a life time. The chances of a twenty something gorgeous lady marrying the average joe who is forty-five/fifty+ 'till death do us part' is virtually insane thinking. I am of course talking about American men and Ukrainian women/girls. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 9:52:06 AM   to Secr; I used EM and was very pleased with it. I met many very real and serious women and my wife. I had a game plan all mapped out and yes did encounter some Good Time Girls and one Scammer, but they were easy to detect and circumvented quickly. Many men are just very casual with the whole encounter, either have no clue or are easily brain-washed, have false expectations, can not communicate using many of the modern mediums, or are just plain not appealing. They have the most trouble and do the most whining (that it is always the woman's fault). I would hope that those are in the minority. They also become very defensive when it is suggested that they themselves may be the issue; men are hard-headed and don't like to be told what to do. Change is very terrible and they resist it. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 10:50:55 AM   Barron: Not sure as to whom you are refering in your comment, but in the event that you are making veiled referance to me - I reiterate that I have had NO PROBLEMS with women I have been involved with that I blame on them (whining or otherwise). I made an error at one point (in Kiev) and it was completely my fault. I have met wonderful and very sincere women - the salt of the earth and I wouldn't change a thing about any of the encounters that I have had. Regarding Anastasia Socials - the reason I knock the organization has absolutely nothing to do with the women (except maybe that the number present was too small) and everything to do with the management of the organization and how the tour was administered. YOU may not be satisfied with my time table. But I am QUITE satisfied. And when it comes right down to it - I couldn't give a rat's ass what you think I should be doing. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 12:28:10 PM   No not you in particular, but if the shoes fits..... You constantly are spouting about the virtues of the socials when we have both agreed, they are only one of the many first steps to a relationship....nothing more and nothing less. They are no different than meeting in person at a cafe or online via an email and a photo. We have agreed that the most important part of building and determing a relationship will be in the ongoing communication that you two will have.....and most of that will be using modern commmunication mediums (and not in person). So we should have more discussion of how to communicate and what to say and what to ask and how to communicate than how to first get introduced. Agree? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 1:46:59 PM   This cracks me up ..... individual(s) that are happy enough to voice contempt that I argue/disrupt etc. yet, the same, seem unwilling to look in the mirror or practice what is preached. I've known jetmba for a number of years, it is known that he approves of the idea of meeting via romance socials, it is HIS OWN WAY of doing things, is is his right and NEVER in the years that I have known him has he ever suggested it is the only or best way to meet nor has he EVER condemned, nor criticized, meeting online or in a cafe etc. What I'm trying to say is let it rest because nobody here is achieving anything by arguing. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 2:10:43 PM   Actually Ivor, he does put down letter writing...read from some of the posting on this thread: "Romance Socials, regardless of the company putting them on, ar far from perfect - but they beat the hell out of aimless letter writing in my biased opinion. Well its the same way with Romance Socials. A meeting is just a meeting. THEN you spend time afterward sending emails, letters and making telephone calls. The difference is that you know this girl ACTUALLY EXISTS. And you know that she is aware of YOUR existance (not the production of some letter writing hack in an agency office) AND you know you have personal chemistry between you! Thats IMPORTANT. WHen I met my Mariupol lady - we danced a slow dance. I held her small hand in mine. And we didn't let go for the two hours that followedm through the end of the Social. Try doing THAT by writing letters." I met my wife after we met, via email, on EM. We quickly took it personal and soon were talking on the phone and Skyping, etc. We both determined that each other was real and serious. My position is that this method is perfectly normal and workable but many men fail to do it properly or to make a plan (or even have a plan) and fall in love with photos or have unrealistic expectations and fail to recognize the signs of a scammer or GTG or no chemistry. They are the ones who never have success and/or are always whining about it being the woman's fault. Jetbma is not neccesarily in this position and does have his own history and that is OK. As pointed out, socials cost a lot of money and even though the ladies are signed up by the agency (meaning they have some intention of looking beyond their borders) that initial meeting at the party, in my opinion, is the same as if they had met out at the cafe. Both parties do not look over each other's profile first before that meeting. To me tons of information about the other can be vetted out prior to any meeting using other modern communication means....and then you can go meet. To me this is the most efficient and cost effective means and places better chances for success......assuming success is the goal. Many men here I believe are just not ready to be serious and to become involved in a marriage-minded relationship as soon as they meet their potential mate. I only comment on the time factor because I do know that for the majority of the serious women, they have made that decision and they are ready now to find their mate (at least the serious ones I have met and do know now). Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 2:20:07 PM   Baron, There was a time when I believed letter writing to be excellent, perhaps the best, way of communication on the basis that one could speak openly and honestly and without any thought of trying to get the lady in to bed that night. However, with past experience, letter writing, in the majority of examples, is a waste of time and, often, money because one party, or both, will write nonsense believing it is what the other party wants to hear, so often these letters are written by agency staff without the lady's knowledge, whilst a description of 'aimless' might be OTT perhaps, just perhaps, Jetmba has a point. Ever heard of the expression "one meeting is better than a thousand/million letters/phone calls"? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 2:26:01 PM   "You constantly are spouting about the virtues of the socials when we have both agreed, they are only one of the many first steps to a relationship....nothing more and nothing less. They are no different than meeting in person at a cafe or online via an email and a photo." Baron: I don't know what you do for a living but you are certainly not a lawyer. My guess is that you are either a used car salesman or a snake oil salesman. We have AGREED(??) that meeting someone in person - in the flesh and blood - is the same as meeting someone via email and a photo? Did we supposedly AGREE to that - in your fantasy? Then I suppose that BEING with a woman in a physical way - is the same by your estimation as having a bottle of hand cream and a Playboy magazine. Right? So are you REALLY married as other people consider marriage - you know - with a flesh and blood woman? Or are you your-kind-of same thing - with some nude pictures of your "wife", some emails and the ever popular bottle of hand cream? If its the same thing then Baron - does your "wife" have three staples around her midsection and three creases divinding her into three fold out sections? Does she crinkle when you lay down on her? Inquiring minds want to know. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 2:42:08 PM   Excellent point Ivor. Never ceases to amaze me - I just came from a Romance Social event a couple of weeks ago and there were at least ten men who described the experience as "Awesome". "The most incredible exprerience of my lifetime." And "Incredible." These men are serious about finding a mate - most are relatively young 40 and under. They paid the money (after sometimes years of fruitless letter writing) and took a chance to meet someone in a foreign country and they loved it. It opened their eyes. Just yesterday I got a call from a man I met on this Social, originally from Peru he now lives in the US. HE was still exclaiming about how wonderful it was and how incredible. He was calling to invite me and a (my) lady to celebrate Christmas and New Years on the beach on Peru - where Ukrainian women can go without the difficulty encountered in the US to get a visa. (Sadly I cannot make it to join him). And YET this forum is FILLED with know-it-all old married men, who have never been on a Romance Social and don't know anything about it but are "experts" based on heresay. These guys supposedly know all about the experience, why the women are there and that its a rip-off. And their opinions are supposed to over-rule those of the men who have actually participate! Baron - get a life. Get your emails, your nudie pictures and your hand cream (same as being with a real woman according to you) and do your own business. Or better yet find something you can really be an expert about and can give advice about. Like tell us which hand creme produces the least chafing and the best way to keep the pages from sticking together. THATS something you likely know about. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 3:14:06 PM   Jetmba, I do consider romance socials to be overpriced but then I consider a pay-per-letter of $7 or whatever to be overpriced also, $7 per letter, $14 per exchange of one letter each, 15 letter exchanges per month, that's $2,520.00 per year and without, perhaps, even meeting a lady! ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 3:25:26 PM   You lost me on the 15 exchanges per month. Rarely, do you get an answer the very next day. Sometimes it takes me several days to answer. Ask for her phone number and email address. Scam or no scam, for some reason, they always give it. They always gave it to me. You may still need to write letters through the agency, if perhaps there is a language problem, or you can't get a hold of her. But you can get away with a minimum of $14. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 3:53:02 PM   Jet, you have succeeded in lowering yourself down to the dregs. I won't spar with you anymore; I merely quoted what you wrote but maybe you didn't realize what you wrote. Ivor, I never paid for a letter. That was all part of the plan. Maybe you yourself don't/didn't have a plan on how to go abuot this business.....I paid EM a total of $99 for emails addresses or personall addresses. Every woman I corresponded with was immediately "removed from the agency". Ever hear these words before? That is the key. Any woman that you can not remove, according to the plan, is immediately dismissed. And there are more mediums than just letter writing. Within two weeks max, if I didn't have a phone number and had called these woman, or an address or a Skype call-in ID, they were dismissed. Yes Jet the socials are very awesome, I can believe it. I don't knock that. It is a wonderful (albeit expensive) way to become introduced to women. But we have already spoken about what happens after that......it's letter writing and phone calls and Skype calls and maybe more meetings.....that is where the two will get to know each other and that is where folks need to concentrate their efforts. Obviously many men do not have a plan or don't know how to make a plan or how to use the various mediums to communicate (and therefore have spent tons of money on pay-per letter schemes or whatever). That is not the fault of the socials or the fault of writing letters. Personally I didn't think that socials were of value to me and I went about becoming introduced by other means. I did have a plan and did work the plan and did write letters, and talked on the phone and Skyped and SMSed and others. And yes I lucked out (luck increases with hard work) and I met a woman and we are happily married. Others here will vouch for that or go over to VJ or RMP and inquire. The Socials, which can be a mind-opening experience, or writing a letter to a woman from a site, is just the first step. That is the easy part but it doesn't stop there, actually the real work just begins.....why don't we talk about how to go about doing that important part properly and how to develop a plan and how to work that plan and weed out the undesirables? This forum never talks about that. I wonder why? And Jet, if you were next to me, I'd smear that cream all over the top of your head and rub my knuckles into it. You knucklehead!!! Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/12/2010 4:00:15 PM   Baron, I NEVER paid per letter, I don't recall there being any such thing in the period I was searching, it is something that has come in more recently, I was merely using it as an example! There are obviously many suckers that do pay per letter otherwise there PPL touts would go out of business or need to find a different method of scamming, I merely used it as an example, that's all. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > ANASTASIA ROMANCE SOCIALS STINK
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