I don't know if it's my faulty memory, but I will not look for those posts. You changed your tone with time2travel and that was my intention. You tried to discourage me many times as you were beginning to do with him. Well, I'm still here.
And no, I am not wondering what really happened to that 2nd lady. I don't think you know either as much as you want us to believe.
She was sitting on my lap once while we were on her computer. Her phone rang and I heard a guy on the other end, "Hi, this is Dave from Australia." She hung up, and she thought I didn't hear. I know that because I brought it up a day or two later, and she accused me of going through her computer files.
About the money, she borrowed from the equity of her home to buy nice things. She had a nice computer, nice flat screen TV, nice furniture and a digital camera. She probably used the money I gave her to pay the loan. She told me that she used it for their needs, and said I hope I will not get angry. Then she asked for more. You might think that's bad, but I'm glad I helped her out. She just can't be my girlfriend and lie to me. But, she has improved.
I figured she was still active in the dating scene, and either whoever visited her didn't work out or noone visited her. As someone earlier said, only 5% will visit. I got an email from her just before Christmas, inviting me to Skype. I would visit her just to visit or perhaps a back up, but nothing else. I have a girlfriend.
Hi, T2T! You say; you're 42, 150lb and 6ft?? Unless you are in "Iron Man" shape,,,,, maybe that is it?? Why women won't flirt in person. When I was in High school, I was 5'11 bare foot, 140lb and skinny!! I'm now 220lb but more than half of the extra is muscle!! In school, the goal was to bench press your own weight,,, 140lb,, no problem!! But, many kids couldn't do it?!!
Why does this matter??? Almost all of the girls, feel they need someone who can protect them!! I don't think they realize; it's not as important over here,,US. I had one girl ask, right out of the blue;,, Can you fight??? It caught me so off guard,, I didn't have time to think of,,,,, I would rather just talk on a first date!!! Or,,, shouldn't we wait for marriage?? But, only the women will know; what is going through their minds??
Most likely,, all of the letter writing is just for making money!!! I have had girls who knew me, from meeting in person, send me a letter through an agency. In her letter, not one word about already knowing me!!! I have had a girl I truly hate,,, send me a letter, on a second site,, not one word about knowing each other. On one website, I didn't have any pictures, no info,, just age, height, weight! I would get letters saying; how handsome I am,, or how we share the same interest in music?? Blah, blah, blah,,, all crap!! This isn't the girls doing this,,, this is agency "matchmaking" ???? They call it that,,, so we should feel good about it??? Not me!! What's the old saying;,,, You get one chance, to make a first impression!!?? My 1st through last impression is;,, all lies!!!
It might be the best, to just ignore all intro spam??!!! Send the first letter yourself, if she is serious,,, and doesn't like you, she either won't reply at all, or will decline your letter!!
About paying for a girls apartment,, or buying her a house,,, I heard about someone spending 65,000,,,,,USD I guess??? No and No way!! Unless you plan on moving in with her,,, don't even start paying for housing!! If you are moving in with her, put the house in your name!! Except in Kiev,, housing is cheap!!Most of the girls who have moved to Kiev for a,,,,, better life, have no business being there!! My ex-girl moved to Kiev, at the time, I thought I was helping her out, by buying her things she needed!! I feel foolish about it now,, and I only spent about 2,500 on her that week! Every penny of that is just thrown away!!
Oh,, agency girls will always be active in online dating,,, as long as they belong to their agencies!!! You could be getting married to a girl, and her agency will still be sending out letters on her behalf!! To me,,, it seems that most agencies really don't want their best girls to get married??!!!! It would slow down their cash flow!!!!
Danny, I am not holding it against you. We can discuss this with civility unlike others who do not. Still, you will not change my mind. We shall see about what you say. She did go to Italy for several months. She talked to me on the phone on the way there. Then, I didn't hear from her for more than two weeks. She then sent word for someone from her home to email me her phone number. I was able to call her everyday after that.
You are mixing things up. There were three different ladies. I only bought the first lady a microwave. I stayed in her apartment for free for a week. The only money I sent a lady before I met her was for travel and apartment rental. I believe a child should be raised with two parents. Any money I sent after I visited had this in mind. Most of the packages I sent were for the kid. I met and are/were close to these kids.
People are making a big deal about my sending money. I have seen others posts here of people that send a lot more. Still, I get the attention. I don't send nearly as much as people think I do. Noone will bleed my heart dry or rip my heart out. I believe she is an amazing woman. She is just about what I was looking for. I will go through the motions. But, as I posted before, I am not in love. Many times, you don't feel it until you lose her.
Just a couple of things about her having a bf, Danny. I call her several times a week at night before she goes to sleep. I talk to her and her daughter. If she had a local bf, her daughter is in on it and she does not spend time with him at night. If she had several as you said, why would she have her story printed on an American magazine? I asked her permission, I asked what name we should use, and I asked about having a picture published.
I am not a stranger to heartaches. Now, don't hold this against me. Whatever my future holds, it cannot be as bad as what you have been through. Of course, it might be. I'm sure I'll get through this. If she's not there when I do, who suffers?
One more thing Danny. Do not tell me to forget my lady. You or anyone else here don't know our relationship, so it is not up to you to determine. I am not keeping her and I don't see her because she is a model figure. Mr Durak took it as a joke, but I was not kidding when I said that as I get older, Mrs Howell looks better and better.
Think about this. These are not my original thoughts. It is from a respected clergy from the media, who is not a political figure.
"Marriage, more than anything else is not a love relationship, it is a business relationship."
If you look at many of the marriages that have failed, it is the ignorance of this fact.
What is it with the people in this forum? I resented it when my mother didn't like so and so and liked so and so to be my wife and reminded me of HER choice now and then. Whose wife is this going to be anyway? There are four possible ways to do this.
1. Do it someone elses way and resent him if it fails.
2. Do it someone elses way and live with a marriage that someone else thinks is best for you.
3. Do it my way, if it fails, it wouldn't be much of a marriage anyway.
4. Do it my way and succeed.
Right now, I am enjoying the advance benefit of playing someone's husband and a father to her child. That's the way I want to play it.
Thanks for your concern, Danny. My problem is not just my trip to Ukraine. It is also the both of them coming here and the support of a wife and two kids.
I went to school as an accountant and spent two decades working it. Because I was a good worker, staying late and working week-ends, I thought my salary would increase and increase. Now, the best offers are 40% of what I used to make and lots of competition at that. All I have now is faith. I can envision my plans and my success. You are correct, though. She has shown signs of her being tired of waiting, but she's still there.
Her name in the magazine article is her real name. My question to her was not just if we should use her name, but which name to choose and in what order. Natalya or Natasha? Her legal name has her last name coming first and the first name of her father with the ending "ovna" last.
Danny, before I got into this venture, I asked myself if I deserved it. The answer was no. My next question was how can I deserve it? The answer was to raise her kid as if (s)he was my own. Thanks for the offer. I will keep it in mind.
Just an observation but a particular lady is still actively profiling on the web and logging in to her profile daily ..... now why would she be doing that?
I have been noticing that for a long time, Ivor. There have been times when she has been logging in when she couldn't possibly be in a computer. When she left for Italy for a few months, and I lost track of her for a couple of weeks, she could not get into a computer. I suspect there were computers, but she only writes in cyrilic. She had to send word to Kerch to email me her phone number there. She was still logging in regularly then. When she is in the city, walking the streets, in public transportation when I am talking to her on the phone, I sometimes see that she is logged in.
I did complain to Natasha Club. They asked me for proof. I asked her to send proof. After I told her a few times, I don't know if she did much to do anything about it, if at all. Her only contact for this was her agency and they were no longer in touch. She is not much into computers. When she says she will email me, it would take her a few days. I dropped it and let it be.
Like I said when I posted her profile. Do you want to write her? Chat with her? Send her gifts? Visit her? Knock yourselves out. Perhaps you'd be doing me a favor.
Well Danny, I am not that nice a guy. I have made some foolish choices in marrying women and I did not have the guts to leave them the right way. I went after other women while I was married. I did that twice. There is a child involved in the first marriage. I'm glad she turned out alright. She stirs me the right way many times.
It is just me, perhaps foolishly but I like to see things to the conclusion. I don't want to see this as what could have been. When I go to Ukraine, I am sure she'll see me, whatever she has going. We can make our decisions then.
If I believe that was her logging in and out, I would drop her in a heartbeat. If someone takes me up on communicating with her, I wonder at what stage of the game she tells him her name is not Diana. If it's at the beginning, or whenever, her credibility immediately becomes suspect.
I suspect it is the agency mentioned in the magazine article logging in and out. I believe they are out to get what they can. AOB has a policy that says if you ask for her address, phone number or email address, they must give it. I asked it in my very first letter to her and she gave it in her very first letter. I continued to use AOB for translation purposes. It does get a little more expensive hiring an interpreter through three way calling. (Thankfully, her English is much better now). I could have dropped AOB and the agency after the very first letter from her, but I didn't. I think the agency felt cheated and wanted more than just the few letters for translation that I gave them.
The magazine article was not that accurate. The money the agency skimmed was for train fare, to fix her phone and the apartment rental. We still got the apartment from the agency, but for $100, not the $120 a day they were asking because I just was not going to take it. I used AOB and the agency to send the control numbers of the money I sent. It was sent in two increments. The agency accompanied her each time to the bank to get their "proper" percentage. I was not told this until we were ready to leave Kiev and everything was paid to the agency.
I also suspect it was the agency that "pickpocketed" me. I only said pickpocket because it was coming from the train that I realized my wallet and camera was gone. The last time I remember having them was at my bedside before we left the apartment. The agency manager came and showed us the rest of the apartment. It was not just a two bedroom apartment. There was a door that led to to two or three unused and dusty rooms. While we were looking at the rooms, the maid walked in. We were on our way to the train station to Simferopol. With all our packing, I don't remember putting my wallet and camera into my pocket.
To get back on the subject, when I first put my profile on AOB, I did not put a picture. I left it alone for about a week and lo and behold, I got about 46 letters in about 7 days without a picture. Funny, my profile there is still active, but for the last two years, I got about seven letters total, with my picture posted. None of the ladies that responded were over 25 years old. I asked AOB about it and even posted this anomaly here a couple of times. I didn't get a good answer. I am on their blacklist but they deny it. They say it is up to the women to answer, not them.
Sometimes Olga comes in and posts that they will discontinue agencies with bad practices. Perhaps, that is the difference with AOB. AOB will let them continue. I defend pay per letter here because I could have gotten away with meeting my gf for a price of $14 total. AOB denied any complicity with the agency for the 10% or other things I accused them of.
dr phil is an idiot, couldn't make it in the real world until oompra started playing with him. then sets him up with a show, it proves many americans are idiots too, and the women who fall all over oompra...
I agree with Ralph again!! Dr.Phil is an idiot,, who only panders to his target audiance;,,,, women! The fatter and uglier the better!!
I do not watch his show very often,,, but I have thought many times, that if I was a guest of his show,,,,,, I'd deck the xxxxer!!