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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > What prevents a lady from leaving Ukraine if she has a debt? Author Post colin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/2/2011 5:07:47 PM   my wife tried that with me ,she had large amounts of debts, i think it was few thousand not much to us but alot to her, this was the second occasion when I took her back, it was a lie she can leave the country she is only being smart and looking after herself she knows or things she will be back to Ukraine and wants her debts clear before she leaves , as said before they think the west is paved with gold and if you dont pay you are a mean person, but they survived before we met them and they will keep on surviving even if you dont pay their bills.I refused to pay my wifes debts ( i saw a copy of them) and she still owes them and yet she has taken numerous trips to Budapest since and even taveled to Vienna, so say NO! I dont have it, shes not you wife or responsibilty yet! and if you start now it will never end! and anyway electricty is very cheap in the Ukraine , unless I saw the bill I wouldnt believe it, what I did was give her 200 and said pay that off it, and she accepted that, and was annoyed because she said she had to sell her second mobile phone, boo hoo! Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/2/2011 5:42:42 PM   Colin does have a point there, she's playing "I'm the carrot on the string" Here in UK we, normally, pay our utilities by a monthly standing order, a fixed monthly amount year round. Because we're having a somewhat harsh winter I'm circa $100 or so in arrears with my electric/gas, it'll sort itself out once the milder weather arrives, Mini Cooper, try telling your lady you're $100 or so in arrears and you need her to pay this off for you before you can bring her to USA! Hi Colin ..... Regards Martin Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/3/2011 6:46:04 PM   Hello everyone, I'll come clean now. She owes about $800 in utilities for the apartment. However ten years ago she was married and co-signed for a $10,000 loan. Which was later paid off by her mother-in-law as a loan to her and her husband. Her mother-in-law found out that she was soon to leave the country and has threatened her with a law suit to recover 1/2 of the loan and prevent her from leaving the country until it is paid. This comes to $5,800 to pay all her debts off. I told her that she could simply leave the country because the immigration/security checks at Borisphil will not know about these debts even if there was a court ordered requiring her to stay. She insisted I was wrong and at that point I refused to pay her debts off... we have not spoken for 6 days now. Thanks Durak, that was the same translation I came up with, I asked a Russian friend to translate it and she said the first part did not make sense but the second part(after the comma) means that God is going to help her. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/3/2011 7:14:00 PM   Ah yes, The familiar "She refuses to listen to a damn word I say" syndrome, been there, done that, got the tee shirt! Mini Cooper, you are thousands of miles apart and she will not listen to a damn word you say and she disagrees/argues with you, are you truly sure that you want to live with such a person? Not so sure if the immigration database shows up court orders but she can easily lie to ex M-I-L that she has finished with you, she is staying in Ukraine etc. As I say, been there, done that, got the tee shirt and ... NEVER AGAIN! RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/3/2011 9:00:07 PM   If she believes she only owes her mother 5000 hyrivnas (as opposed to dollars {super fishy}, then look out. She owes her mother 10,000 hyrivnas or dollars regaurdless of her ex-husband. You will be assuming more than debt with her reasoning and sense of what is right. Personally, I think her story is Bull Shit and a scam!!! Gone again, Skip to ma'lou. RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/3/2011 9:02:07 PM   }), regardless ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/3/2011 9:30:07 PM   Good point, Rodan. You can go for one or the other or both, but you are not required to go after both in a lawsuit in the US. Would it be the same in Ukraine? I assume it would be. You gave her a ring over a year ago when you got engaged, didn't you Coop? She's from Zaporozhye, right? Ivor and I have experience there. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2011 1:34:02 AM   Sorry, Mini Cooper. The situation looks rotten. I know little about Ukrainian law, but the notion that her ex-mother-in-law could bar her from leaving the country seems very unlikely to me. The story stinks of scam. My thoughts return to the question, how confident are you in trusting her? From the dismal statistics (most of us know this too well), the most likely explanation is that she is another vampire. The more I think about this story, the more I feel that I would bet my money on her being a crook. But according to durak's law (just made that up), most things that scammers do MIGHT be done by a sincere woman, under certain circumstances. For example, she might be anxiety prone (seems to be common among women Over There), and in her mind greatly magnifying what her ex-m.i.l. could do to affect her. For the record, I have direct experience of Ukrainian women getting frantic about what were actually non-issues. I might (for example) promise her that if, when the time comes, the Ukrainian government actually won't let her emigrate, then I would pay the debt. And I would come with her to the airport to see for myself :) Whether she's a thief, or just neurotic ... I'm sure this isn't the way you wanted things to go! The silence that settled in is probably for the best. But I imagine it must hurt. Better luck moving forward! ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2011 2:36:33 AM   Mr. Durak, by crook, do you mean she might be intending to keep the money and not marry? Is she just lying so she could pay the debt? Is gossip overwhelming her that she would leave and not pay her debt? ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2011 4:50:05 AM   So did the mother in law have a contract with your girl? Without any paper work no court in the world will hold her to this loan. Either way if she wanted to leave she would find this out herself and know she can leave. Or its a classic case of her getting cold feet and looking for an excuse to stay. ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2011 5:05:13 AM   There must have been a divorce settlement and if they didn't mention that she had to pay 1/2 this loan the she will be in the clear unless shes signed something later to say she would pay HER half. Without this a court would just see it as a gift from a mother to her son. Its either bullsh*t or the mother-in-law see this as an easy way to get her money she wasted on her son back (highly likely). 10 years ago thou? 10K US would have been worth a lot more back then, so the mother-in-law hasn't got her to pay anything back in 10 years, not even 1 dollar? Tell her to tell the mother-in-law to take her to court and only if she wins the court case would you even think about paying...cos theres no way that's going to happen! ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2011 5:10:39 AM   There must have been a divorce settlement and if they didn't mention that she had to pay 1/2 this loan the she will be in the clear unless shes signed something later to say she would pay HER half. Without this a court would just see it as a gift from a mother to her son. Its either bullsh*t or the mother-in-law see this as an easy way to get her money she wasted on her son back (highly likely). 10 years ago thou? 10K US would have been worth a lot more back then, so the mother-in-law hasn't got her to pay anything back in 10 years, not even 1 dollar? Tell her to tell the mother-in-law to take her to court because you don't believe she is legally required to pay this and if the old goat thinks she should pay it then get the courts to decide. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2011 11:11:52 AM   There are certain cases when courts will hold her on a loan even when there is no paperwork. One example would be if she started paying on it. Paying on a loan affirms the loan. Ten years? Is there a statute of limitations in Ukraine? http://credit.about.com/od/debtcollection/a/soflimitations.htm Kirkland Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2011 2:33:11 PM   Could this be the new "I need money before we can meet" scam? baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2011 2:47:11 PM   If she will not sPeak to you just because you have stated you will not pay her debts, and unless she disclosed these "problems" early on, I'd Aldo say this is classic send me money scam. Did she already have her interview and has the visa? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2011 3:30:25 PM   I love this when they come up with a mice round figure in an alien currency! Mini, Historical rates here: http://fxtop.com/en/historates.php3 The UAH/USD rate, 10 years ago, was 5.44, if USD10,000 was borrowed then that equates to UAH54,400 being borrowed ..... a rather unusual amount! When money is borrowed from a recognised source then there is a repayment plan, normally monthly, yet these two borrowed money and didn't repay a single cent! This month the UAH/USD rate is 7.95 so IF UAH54,400 was borrowed, and she still owes 50% then she owes UAH27,200, at a rate of 7.95 she is asking you to give her UAH39,750 to pay this supposed debt of only UAH27,200! I'll agree with others here that this sounds utter bullshit, if you send her this money I suspect this will be the last you see or hear of her. RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2011 7:08:54 PM   Ivor, now you hear me. A serious woman would not even share this personal debt information with someone she has never met. She would expect you'd "leave skid marks". She is looking for someone that believes in Fairy Tales Tell her you are heavily in debt yourself and want to come there to live with her with a fresh start. Then when time allows and the debt is abandoned, you can move back to your country and she can go to work and create some savings before you start a family. A ten year plan. You will have each other and that is all that matters. It should make perfect sense to her. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2011 7:43:29 PM   Rodan, Mini refers to her as his fiancee so one might presume they have met! My background is well known of on this forum, if I get some tee shirts printed would you like one? :) shaz444 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/4/2011 10:10:09 PM   Guys its gas at end of the day, worry about the things she will make everyone do when she will be in your neighbor hood? How many of you have some model from UKR or RUS & surviving? RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/5/2011 1:53:05 AM   Ivor, now I hear him. Mini, if you refer to her as your Fiancee, then you are beyond the point of getting good advice on this forum. It is in a way, a betrayal to post here. If you are truly her fiance, then you must stand with her in this and everyone else is at odds to you and her. It might be that the claims against her are legitimate. You however will close your eyes at night with this woman. If it is only a debt, it will end someday. If it is distrust, it will never end. The judgement of this is all yours. I send money regularly to my lady because of her troubles, but it was easily understood when we found her mother on the floor with a broken hip. You can verify the validity of her statements, just stand with her in this as her partner.If there is any resistance to you having an interest in this,???? In my case, I carried her mother into the hospital and held the x-ray in my hand just seconds after it was developed. Ivor, my shirts are plain of read "This space available" Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > What prevents a lady from leaving Ukraine if she has a debt?
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