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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Are Ukrainian Women really shy in Public? Author Post RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/22/2011 8:59:52 PM   I wouldn't fret over the cost you incurred in meeting this woman in Kiev. You knew before you left home where you were going and what you would pay for. She remained with you and you could not be so dense as to not understand your possible failure. You had an adventure in a unique city and a mysterious woman Do not fail to understand she too took a big chance in meeting an unknown person far from home. It is what you were both had in common, your naivete. I would not have made such a trip without first meeting her on her own ground. Anyone that believes she found the big sucker in meeting him either has low expectation of what a scammer looks for in a mark or beyond paranoid. It is my estimation that you both were in a dream world, but why let us ruin it for you. You got just what you paid for and it was cheap. If it was me, I might even take her on a future excursion as opposed to the woman Huck Finn described. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/22/2011 10:09:13 PM   RT,,, why are you assuming nick’s girl is/was naïve?? We have no way of knowing that,,,,, mrnick has no way of knowing that either!! I have an experience that almost parallels nick’s. I thought I was about to meet a sweet, simple,,, almost country girl on my first trip to Ukraine. Today, she is far removed from being simple or sweet,,,,, but I still don’t know what she was at the time. Was she sincere,,, or is she a great actress???? Mrnick,,,,,, you will thinking about such things for a long time,,,,, believe me!! I do know a few things that might help you find out. First thing,,,, don’t ever say; her name, her id no. or what agency or website she was on!!! A member of this forum wants you to fail, and will give you only disinformation! Check her id no. is it a high one or recent one,, or has she been on the site for some time?? If the number is fairly new,,,, still check for her in older profiles,,, way in the back,, you might find that she has had multiple profiles. The website she is on,,,, do they show how many letters she has received,,, or how many friends she has??? Hundreds of letters a month is just wrong!! Look for her on as many websites as you can find,,,, write down her id numbers, and the name of each site,,, you will start to forget them!! I had one girl that was on over 46 sites!! I stopped counting after 46! Being on more than one website is NOT absolute proof of her being a scammer! Her own agency could have put her on dozens without her knowing about it!! To most of these girls,,, image is everything!!! They want someone they can be proud of. Staying at a hostel may not have been a good idea. She could have thought to herself;,,,, will we both be staying at hostels after we’re married??? Sure,,, it shows some frugalness,,, but again, image is everything! The right thing for her to have done,,,,, was to at least invite you to sleep on the sofa!! RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/23/2011 7:40:48 AM   Lonelyranger: I make no assumptions. Regardless of whether she was a scammer or not, she traveled to another city to meet an unknown person. If I was family of hers, she would not have made such an arrangement with my knowledge. It just isn't smart or safe to do so. I too have traveled and met with disappointment, that is phantoms and pro-daters. I agree with you about image and that is in the same spirit as the title of this topic. Quite likely, what you have suggested about a marriage and living a simple life was not appealing to her. It didn't fit her dream. He however deliberately made the impression to her about a tight budget (reality or not). He has however, met this woman and she did not over step the boundaries that they agreed to. He crushed her naive dream just as she did to his. That is why I think he should try and make real conversation with her. It might be that reality can replace the dream world they have both created. Or maybe she just wanted to go to Kiev. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/23/2011 11:36:08 AM   You will get no personal answers from here, Danny. If you expect a sex maniac like that, do you wonder what she was doing before you got to her and what she is doing when you are gone? Your statement says "most". Whether or not that is true there are many who are not. If this girl is not one of them, then you again have insulted someone. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/23/2011 1:09:47 PM   danny,,, did I say he should spend more time with her?? ?? ?? NO! You really do need to see an eye doctor!! !! !! kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/23/2011 5:24:04 PM   hey Nick,, we have all been there, one way or the other,, ukraine is a good fast learning curve. dont take anything on here personally, just take it on board and think about it with what you have experienced,, its very much possible Rodan could be right as the bother way. as nice as some of these girls are some are just real scavengers, its just ukraines make up. the thievery in this country has to be one of the worst, they steal off their dead just to easily. best advise i can give you, stay out of ukraine, russia only and stay away from the main big citys. as in our immigration. NZ actually doesn't have a immigration policy regarding foreign girls in a relationship with us other then "proven and to be enduring".. there is no criteria that says you have to live a year with them. once upon a time there was such posted on NZ embassy moscow site that you needed to show proof of relationship for two years and a certain amount of trips before visa's may be issued. this has disappeared in the last few years and i think was just plain BS to keep down there work load. interestingly, i never found this in the immigration act , so who knows if it actually was real, or maybe it was the fault of a vodka-erd up immigration worker tired of the many emails asking whats the criteria involved. I'm sure it has some bearing to their unknown criteria but its more about proof of relationship and "WILL YOUR RELATIONSHIP ENDURE". getting girl to NZ for a visit really isnt that difficult, rather easy actually, i have done it a few times. shes actually has just left and is coming back in a few months again. you just use "limit purpose visa's" for relationship purposes. the trouble is once you sponsor her its all over for sponsoring another girl for five years, so be sure once you sponsor, its her you want. the limited purpose visa is what most russians need to use to come to NZ, for any type of visits, vacation, study, find there runaway wife or rugby world cup, what ever. most visa stuff-ups are russians who have been given the wrong info by our immigration or others and told to use a tourist visa. basically a tourist visa can be played with once they are here, it can be tweaked by the holder to stay here indefinitely, this is rather easy if you know what you are doing. tourist visa's are very unlikely ever given to a common russian let alone any ukraine. the limited purpose visa "cannot" be tweaked at all,, its strictly a visit for some purpose and then home by the date on the visa, they just cannot be played with. once you show good proof of a relationship that it will endure then its not as bad as you may think. it is a time thing,, if it was so difficult we wouldnt have so many russian girls married to us, there is a lot here and none that i know of, have ever had to live with them other then one guy i know of who stuffed up in his speed of wanting a wife. basically he wrote a few letters then tried to get her to nz for a quick marriage without proof of relationship that would endure, madness stuff really. he was denied of cause, in the end he went over to russia and married her there, they live here now,, no they are not together anymore. immigration just need proof you have a tight relationship basically, not hope. yeah you are right, our laws are good for us compared to the likes of the US once the girl is here. good luck kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/23/2011 5:36:01 PM   sex manics:) kind of explains why aids and such is going into epidemic proportions. the only other thoughts i can give you Nick is dont bother with girls who are useless or not straight up. have issue's in forking out money(but if you like ukraine:). a lot of these girls are not that poor, russia is far from poor. the girls i have met in russia have paid their own way have organized apartments for me out of their own pockets never have i sent money to have this done before i arrive. they are always willing to get you from airport as well as sending you off,,, always. no matter how many thousand of km away they live even today the girl who visits me pays for her international flights to NZ,, shes only a teacher.. dont go down that road thinking you have to pay for everything or they are poor.. like you, i did this on a budget, i have had 6 months over there now and i am very happy with the outcome. i have met some great girls in russia who do things on equal terms. what more can you ask Australia Man Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/23/2011 7:14:25 PM   it was the black pointy shoes that made me doo it but i am having trouble finding them here in australia aucklander Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2011 7:40:35 AM   mrnick, I think you have confused some of our immigration laws. The requirement to have lived together for at least a year is basically applied to a married couple moving to New Zealand, where one is a citizen and the other is not. Our equivalent of the US K-1 (fiancee) visa is a partnership visa. Unlike the K-1, which assumes enough knowledge of each other to say a definite "Yes" or "No" to marriage within three months, the partnership visa gives you nine months to decide. During that time the foreign fiance(e) is legally allowed to work, which can be a huge bonus for both. The citizen (we'll assume for the purposes oif this discussion that it's a man) continues with his normal life - home, work, home, work, etc - while the fiancee learns more about the country and perhaps, after a few weeks or months, feels confident enough to look for a job of her own (she may even have had a job lined up before she arrived). Of course this very much depends on her English language skills. The boost to her is amazing - she now earns her own money, so isn't totally reliant on her boyfriend, and gets out of the house on a regular basis, so the chance of "cabin fever" diminishes rapidly. The relationship is now almost the same as a marriage - and, if they both like what they have at this stage, that final step is not far away. While I applaud your determination to find the right lady by moving to Ukraine, you don't have to do it just for the purpose of a visa. If, however, you can find that special someone by doing so, then I wish you the very best of luck. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2011 9:15:43 PM   danny,,,,, my bad! I was thinking "with" her and not "on" her!! He will be thinking about her for a long time, no matter what we tell him. He now has a few ideas on how to find out for himself, if she was scamming or not! We should learn from our mistakes! 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