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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Do dreams really come true? Part 3 Author Post durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2012 9:41:16 AM   Aussie, I don't have anything original to add, to what you've already read here. I do hope you will try to maintain some sense of proportion. I mainly wanted to underscore that her appearance of insecurity / jealousy / etc. is, in my experience and opinion, not unusual. First, FSU women are used to being jerked around by their men. I don't know how infidelity there compares with other parts of the world, but it seems to be more "accepted" or "normalized" than in the English-speaking world. In other words, at home a man openly keeping a mistress is thought of as unusual, scandalous, and likely to be really damaging to his reputation. Over there (as it seems to me) such behavior is more along the lines of "that's just what lots of men do." As one anecdotal example, I have a cute young pen-pal (not a romantic interest) in one of the "Stans" who was told by a man she encountered in her work life, that he was married ... AFTER he had made numerous attempts to get her to date him. She was a bit shocked, but he said it without any hint of embarrassment. In addition to all that, it is so common for men to leave their wife, or girlfriend of many years, after she bears their child, that they have a phrase for this, which translates to English as "the crisis of the firstborn." So there are a lot of women who have really miserable histories of husbands who pretty much buried them in betrayal and humiliation. On top of that, the majority of men in the FSU dating game are just trashy. For us, this is a blade with two edges: on the one side, women get very suspicious; on the other side, a decent guy looks pretty good by comparison. But there are enough men who are sex tourists, or who write/chat for months but never come to their country, or who make "shopping tours" where they want to "test drive" as many women as possible, etc. etc. So women who have been searching for foreign husbands for a while have also been jerked around by the foreign men. When they show insecurity, I can understand. AussieInLove Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2012 9:57:38 AM   Hey smart a, I actually live in Sydney Australia... When I suggested to her to come for a visit here rather than me going there she insisted that she would not go to a foreign country to meet a man... She thought that me going there was the best first step... (another thing that re-enforced my belief that use was not simply another opportunist) Also I am actually from Greek parents and I have family in Greece, so that seems a good first out of Ukraine holiday destination if we decided to do that... But I also like the thought now of simply spending two weeks in Ukraine on this first trip and really get to know her well in her environment.. The next step (IF everything goes well) will be probably another visit and maybe short holiday around Sep-Oct and then (iIF everything is still all going well) I would bring here here in Sydney for a holiday around Christmas... (Christmas in Australia is summer time for those not familiar). Then if she also likes it here,likes my kids and my kids like her, and feels like she can make Australia her home, then and only then (and OF COURSE if everything else is all still going well) THEN I would make the move of proposals and putting in action the plan to bring her and her son here for good... Well that is my plan anyway...! :-) we'll see what actually eventuates... AussieInLove Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2012 10:38:53 AM   Hey Durak, mate I totally agree with what you are saying... and I have witnessed it with my girl repeatedly and in passionate discussions until all hours of the morning In my mind I have nothing but good serious intentions... In her mind UNTIL I PROVE MYSELF and get myself over there i am just another man promising the world to her without any other sign that she could go on to know that I am truthful... The proof for her will be when I land at the airport in Odessa on the 6th of July... Until then she is cautious but hopeful. If the FSU men were not the way they are then we would not be in the fortunate position we are...! so let them drink screw and deceit... but with that also comes our reality that most FSU women will be (at least for a long long time even after we meet them) suspicious of our motives and longer term intentions.... So that is something that I take into consideration and adjust my thinking about when it comes to expectations. Naturally my integrity, honouring my word and being an honest person is something that I pride myself on and take very seriously. When somebody questions any of these values of mine I get quite worked up about it. (are you listening Lonely?) with this girl I have learned to relax a little, expect it and ultimately learned to continually keep re-enforcing my good intentions... I should add that this girl tells me she has done a Psychology degree and is quite obviously very intelligent (another reason I like her that much)... so she certainly knows how to play mind games... and how to push my buttons to see my reaction... Again an area that has caused lots of early morning heated discussions... But again I see where she is coming from ... She is testing me... and I mean continuously... And if she is testing me then that means that a) she cares and b) she is looking to catch me out... The fact is she won't succeed, because I am actually honest and have good intentions. but again this is an area where we men,need to adjust our thinking in light of the FSU women's REALITY... If I get pissed off at her constant mind games that will prove to her that I am not really serious even if that is not the case... If I take it and prove myself in time then she will eventually find out that I am the one for her... You see I think that many men (especially on this forum) have this false idea that somehow THEY are in control of this whole process... The reality that is as plain as day to me, is that these women at the end of the day will either choose you or not... regardless of how many trips you take, regardless of how much money you spend and regardless of how many gifts or holidays you give her... If we are not smart enough to understand this then they will simply keep looking until they find their ONE that is... It also seems to me that many men have false expectations in terms of what kind of girl they will meet... I just read a post from Lonely that talks about how he has just gone over and was stood up by the girl he was expecting to meet... I would L O V E to see a photo of Lonely... I would bet good money that Mr Lonely is short fat ugly old and dumb... WHY oh WHY would a 20 or 30 something hot woman want to be with him for the rest of her life.. Some men think that just because they want something in life they can get it... well... sometimes we need to adjust our dreams to fit the reality of probability... Sorry if I got all philosophical and apologies Mr Lonely if I got any of your physical attributes wrong (has anyone actually seen what he looks like?) but it is only logical to me that we are not in total control here no matter how much intent and/or money we may have to splash around.. They have the power and they will use it to their advantage... I bet if we took a survey of all men that have been "scammed" along with their photos and true personality profiles we would find VERY FEW good looking, intelligent, fit, honest men amongst them... Am I wrong? lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2012 12:13:48 PM   Hey Aussie, I called you a “classless lowlife” because you act just like the other classless lowlife from Australia! He jerks our chains all the time with absurd stories, BS, and lies!!! Your whole story, and purpose of the story was to get a planned and expected reaction from the other members!!! Well, you got it!! Do all men from Australia search for whores, or is that all they can find???? Don’t forget to put some photos or videos of her giving you a BJ while in Ukraine!!! You have an image to maintain!!!!!!!! DUNT-2!!! lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2012 12:52:14 PM   Aussie, your post arrived just seconds after I sent mine,,, you are danny aren't you???!!! During the last month or two, several new members/profiles, have been trying to get info on me! My age, my girls age, where I live, where she lives, my email address, etc!!! You are a sick fxxk!!!! Danny/DUNT get help!!!!! DUNTS HAVE NO HONOR!!! I am 5'11 200lbs I wear a 18/18.5 34-35 dress shirt and 38/34 pants! My photo won the best looking male user on our largest dating site here in the US a few years ago!! I wasn't really stood up, I was lied to for months! Every word she wrote or told me was a 100% lie! The interpreter proved it for me! They she invited me to come along on vacation with her!! apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2012 3:45:47 PM   Durak - Yes. 100% agree with all you wrote. Lonely - what gives? Aussie has been asking for advice. He has his eyes, heart and serious intentions here. Aussie - I think if you are still communicating after all is said and done and you do show up? It will be time of your life. Just remember, play it cool, let her initiate EVERYTHING (when it comes to affection, intimacy, touching, etc.) She has had her fair share of players, womanizers and insincere men if she is with child and beautiful). I am pretty sure she doesn't want to get her hopes up and you never show up. My fiance is the same, and will try to not plan for anything in the future if it is just dreaming. So many girls there get their dreams shattered all the time. Ukraine is harsh and many people there will lie. About Ukraine man culture - If you want to put a Ukraine girl in her place (no matter how beautiful or successful), ask her about local men and her available options. btw, everything Durak wrote is what I heard first-hand. My fiance has heard all the same stories as well. When I asked her about Ukraine men it was the simple, that they play games, lie, cheat and treat Ukraine women horribly by Western Standards. So that is why my own fiance turned to the agencies for help. Her own bestfriend (super beautiful girl) had encountered that in her first boyfriend (cheating, drinking, abuse, etc.) As well as hearsay knowledge, the Ukraine men acquaintances I met do also tell me they have wife w/children and have several girlfriends. Regardless of anything you may hear to counter this - it is a male-acceptable culture situation regarding marriage fidelity there. But I rarely ever see the girl with many boyfriends (unless that's her job (stripper, prostitute, pro-dater). In Ukraine there is nothing there to keep you off the street should you experience financial issues. The only support is family, boyfriend and true friends. This is another reason girls turn to the agencies. Ukraine men will take advantage of a girl who has no support. A girl with no other viable options will tolerate a man who comes into her life and still chooses to be with other women. It is not like in the West, where she can simply leave. Now you understand this situation more I hope. I will add that NOT ONE GIRL I ever talked about this situation likes for their man to be unfaithful at all. They will try to leave if they can, but sometimes it is not an option. A girl with child is seen as a major expense to Ukraine men and they will run from her the moment they find out about the child. So your girl knows this all too well. But many men will try to sleep with her. She knows this too. You will be the challenge Aussie. Please remember that you are her hope. Do not go too fast or she will think you are playing games with her. She has been hit on from everyplace. She just needs to trust you. Her interest level is obviously high in you. I hope all the best for you Aussie. Good luck. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2012 4:14:17 PM   Apal,,, I think this guy is danny42 and he is just jerking our chain!!!He has been here for years, always picking a fight! Notice how he is asking for my photo??? What does my photo have to do with this story??? If he is danny42,,, be warned danny!! The day you told everyone, (moron), that someone posted your full name on the forum,,DBHxxxxxxxx I have had YOUR photo!! Red shirt, half bald, stupid grin, holding a young girl with a broken arm,,,,, Does anyone here want to see him??? bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2012 8:11:35 PM   Ausie Slavic women do have a temper that goes away as fast as it shows up. my wife will go on about something but when she is done its over we move on. I equate it to a pressure relief valve that just need to blow every so often to keep em afloat. durak is one of the few on here that can have a civil conversation or should I say post, his advice has come in handy a few time and on occasion mirrors my own experiences. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2012 11:19:35 PM   08.05.2012 3:15:49 lmmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! xxxx that was priceless. Danny you described yourself to a "T" you had to leave Oz because most women wouldn't have a damn thing to do with you. Working with partner, is that Tamara or the Clever little lady that burned your dumb ass. Easy now be careful of that answer because someone here is speaking with Pegleg. Or are you pegleg and I'm danny3777 and Jetmba is really MartinUK and martincoleman is really Jet. Pretty confusing for someone too stupid to understand the colors of a traffic light. danny you are going to have a bad day! AussieInLove Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2012 11:42:12 PM   Lonely, you are a waste of time space and energy... And you have no brains... quite pathetic really... a lonely old man sitting there with nothing constructive or intelligent to say so you think that you can get attention by being the way you are... imagine life if people actually liked you... hmmm... nahhh that wont happen...! Now I will go and talk to danny on facebook... wait... does that mean I will talk to myself...? LOL,,, (that should get you confused in your own strange thoughts for another few hours....) AussieInLove Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2012 12:32:13 AM   danny I will contact you through facebook... trying to send you a pm as we speak... Apal your words and advice is EXACTLY what I am looking for... I'll tell you that if I pull this off (and I think I will) a lot of credit will go to you for helping me with the fine art of understanding Ukraine women a bit better. So Thank you.... bowhunter I am definitely getting to see this side of my girl... the emotional, hot temperament, cheeky, testing side... I spoke earlier about her playing mind games with me... we will go from everything is perfect, to a question by her or a comment by me, to an answer (wrong one in her mind), to her being quite, to me realising that there is something wrong, to me asking her what's wrong, to her saying "nothing", to then telling me whats wrong, to me explaining what I really meant, to her accepting it, to back to everything is perfect... ALL WITHIN 10 minutes... right now I can see it happening... most of it is over nothing... Last night she told me that she was going shoes shopping... I said "I love it if you wear nice sexy shoes..." she goes quite... (yes, no, ok answers for a few minutes) "what's wrong?" I say... "nothing" she says... I say "but there is something wrong, tell me"... she says "I don;t really like high heels shoes"... I say "ok so what the problem?"... she says "you wont like me now because you only like women that wear sexy high heel shoes"... WHAT? where did I say that...? ok let me explain... I will like any shoes you wear..." ohhhh she says... OK... :) and the whole thing took 5-6 minutes... So I have been also thinking about another aspect/challenge of this whole dating/marrying FSU women thing... Our age difference and thereby our maturity levels... and I do mean in general... In my case I'm 45 she's 33... not that big an age difference... but I am a learned intelligent (admittedly only self assesed...lol) businessman with 45 years of experience that included a 21 year marriage, a few relationships since my divorce and a whole lot of people and life experiences... I have (literally) studied about how to understand people and especially women and how to interact with people at all levels... I have good listening skills and communication skills... I am also greek so I have some of that culture through me which when mixed with my Aussie lifestyle creates an interesting person (I think) She is 33, single mother lived in one place all her life, sure maybe travelled a little and has had mostly her own share of incompatible men in her life but no real long stable good relationships... Maybe she is not as knowledgeable about how to build a relationship as I am, maybe she is not aware of how to act right now and under these circumstances and with me, maybe a long distance early stage relationship is just as frightening to her as it is to us... This is all experience that you build as you go through the process... Soooo who am I to TELL HER how to feel and how to react now that we are simply talking and getting to know each other... BUT I will be the one to teach her how to react to me and how to talk to me and how to make OUR relationship work as time goes on... So for now and for a long while she gets the benefit of the doubt with all these little outbursts... As long as she is teachable then I am happy that I can teach her how to grow old with me... Some here would say...ditch her and find someone else... to them I say... and what will be different with the next one and the one after that... Is there a PERFECT Ukraine lady? I think not... The answer it seems to me is find the rough diamond and cut and polish over time to make her YOUR perfect woman... beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2012 1:28:05 AM   "Soooo who am I to TELL HER how to feel and how to react now that we are simply talking and getting to know each other... BUT I will be the one to teach her how to react to me and how to talk to me and how to make OUR relationship work as time goes on... So for now and for a long while she gets the benefit of the doubt with all these little outbursts... As long as she is teachable then I am happy that I can teach her how to grow old with me..." Aussie.....you really don't know what FSU women are really like. Based on what you wrote....the girl is in control...and you took the blame for any misunderstandings. There is a good chance this is how life will be like with this girl...believe it or not. It is up to you to find out for sure. I found it really negative a lady would bear herself to someone she has never met. You have no idea if this is normal for her or not, yet she won't give you her address...weird......Do you have her cell number? Have you spoke to her on phone? All else in your posts seem logical for an FSU lady...right down to the stubborness, fire and quickly things turn normal again. Hope you do follow through and actually meet this girl and find out if you really are meant for each other. Odessa is a wonderful city, you can have a nice time in restaurants, walking in centre and maybe even make it to arcadia. BTW, don't wait too long to rent an apt.....summer season is booked early...also i disagree about staying in hotel. AussieInLove Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2012 2:41:21 AM   Beemer18... You are right ... ! I don't know that much about FSU women... BUT I am learning fast... What I do know quite a lot is about women...!!! and I will tell you this truth... THE GIRL IS ALWAYS IN CONTROL (IF the girl is desirable to us of course)..! The sooner we men understand and accept this fact of human nature the better we will be in building relationships with both FSU women and others. and any man that thinks that ultimately they are in control... well I'd love to know how long their relationships last... with any woman...! The key is to find the way to allow them to feel in control while maintaining the power... not easy I know... but vital to build healthy long term relationships with women. I have her cell number and we exchange both phone calls and sms regularly... On her bearing herself to someone she has never met... we have spoken now over 3 months... in this time I think we have EASILY spoken for over 250 hours... !!! we chat every night 2-3 hours minimum... we would have spent over 20 hours face to face on webcam... we would have exchanged over 300 sms's... it is not exactly as if I sent her a couple of letters and she replied and the next thing is we got naked... STILL I acknowledge it was a mistake from both our parts... I turn her on and she turns me on.. and we got carried away... lesson learned... behavior adjusted... smart a Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2012 3:45:05 AM   Aussieinlove, The forum is not a good place to ask or get much good advise. But, if you get bored and want to read how Martin lost 35,000 British pounds to a single woman, let me know. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2012 4:15:01 AM   Aussie,, if you have bothered to read the posts that the other members wasted their time on,,,, you will see that you only have one guy on your side!!! And he is the DUNT!!!! I don't care if you like me or not,,, not true,,, please do not like me!!!! You are a classless lowlife, but don't feel bad, you can't do anything about where you were born!!! lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2012 4:27:27 AM   Beemer,,, this guy is an Aussie,,, thinking is not their way!!!! lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2012 4:45:50 AM   You think I am a "model man"???? lol Do also think martin is a "model man"??? Is that why you spend so much time humping our legs here on the forum??? lol Classic DUNT!!!! JayH Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2012 5:42:25 AM   Still reading some sensible stuff here-- that is a revelation in itself! I am genuinely interested in everyone else's experiences. The funny thing is that I have avoided other non-Ukrainians as much as possible on my travels.Only on the last trip did I come across others in the hotel-- and actually talk to them.Previously I have stayed silent and not let on that I spoke english.Despite breaking my own rules it was interesting to hear others perspective. Some time ago I watched TV show on Americans doing tour to Odessa and surrounds-- what struck me is that only one or maybe 2 of about 20 guys-- were what I would consider "normal" guys--in fact I started worrying what could happen with girls who hooked up with some of the other guys that I would rate as close to psychos in a few cases. As others have said-- girls are well aware of pitfalls also-- so being wary untill after meeting you is justifiable in my opinion.I have no problem with them bringing whoever they choose to first meeting--I encourage it in fact. Do you have her full name-- and her phone number?Odessa is good--I have some good contacts there. From there I can find out a lot--if you need help. Another point--Odessa is a big city-- easy to organise hotel or apartment-- easy to catch taxi or rent a car at the airport.You can arrange for accommodation people to collect you.All could be organised at a few days notice.(as long as it is not during Euro 2012)You can make arrangements yourself-- no problem. Did she say-- I will meet you at the airport? AussieInLove Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2012 9:46:59 AM   Hey smart a... I'd love to read about Martin's story... but before I do I would guess that he didn't loose anything but rather willingly (if not stupidly) gave it away... and I would also guess that most of his thinking was happening in places other than his head... That would be the only way that a man can unwillingly "loose" his hard earned money... Lonely... I was actually born in a lovely town called Volos in Greece... So are you now going to call all Greeks some names ... ? But I do consider myself an Aussie... and I have no worries about your thoughts ...after all they are only the thoughts of a single lonely old man... Like I said earlier... I feel sorry for you. But at least all of the Ukrainian ladies can see right through your misery and stay away from you... Good on them...! And the only waste of my and all others time on here is when we read your incoherent rumblings... Get a life... JayH... thanks for your comments... I just spoke to my girl and we have agreed that the time has come to find a place for me to stay while I am there... I actually arrive in Odessa on the 6th of July the day after the last game of Euro 2012... So I am now going to look for a nice place to stay there... Any suggestions anyone...? Apal I would love to talk to you more maybe in private... I own a software development company here and I too have had thoughts about making this "finding your dream FSU woman" process a little less painful for Australians... The benefit of your experience and your logical and sound advice I am sure can help many others from here that are looking to embark on this journey. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2012 11:06:03 AM   Jayh,, did you notice that to "american tours" hell its embarrassing i thought. i have mention this more then once on here, never got much a reaction from it. a group of guys who really have no idea about woman or a lot of other things really. money for them would be better spent at some kind of gentlemen finishing school, how to bloody act. i thought they were blatantly scammed by some ass of a organization into believing ukraines your oyster. i sure couldnt tell a person the bullshit they got, to be scammed by your own lot is a hard one to take. in my travels i have never met americans like such there "thank god", the guys i met were or seemed good normal bastards. good to see someone see's the same thing. for what its worth i never found it negative if they revealed themselves, whats normal what isnt?, bloody excellent i thought) a lot of these girls seem to sit in overdrive with their hormones, collect porn and are very open about themselves. so really loosing a garment and worrying about it is a bit prudish. aussie, i think you have your head screwed on pretty good with this. hey dont be afraid to draw some lines with her, doesn't need to be big but if you do always stand by it. they will have your balls if you dont meaning, there memory's are scary and they will add this onto the seven commandments and live by it. and maybe test it a bit. hope it works for you, and how exciting for her child maybe. you certainly gave me a good laugh with your overly openness, i have had similar experiences and a whole lot more over there, for that you can only adore them for. but i would never put it on here, fuck that,,, i judge myself, i sure dont need the next jesus lining me up for some lightning bolt. we in a sense make out own destiny's and will always be different to another. the only thing that questionable about you is your golf "is there a thought of taking them things to ukraine". i could never work out why my old man would rather play this game then go fishing. hell he even said no to the first day of duck shooting season the other day, i was speechless i guess we all have our vices, his is every day except sundays(garden day) Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Do dreams really come true? 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