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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > How to find the right women? Author Post jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/27/2012 12:24:59 PM   Rick4girl: You are right - that you have to be in good shape to be doing this if you have a big age difference. I kind of smiled when I read your comment that a girl refered to a Romance Social as a "meat market", because to continue the analogy - a lot of the men don't have any teeth. There are a lot of girls and, obviously, the first impression we (the men) get of them is what they look like. In Lugansk for instance they set up a table in the middle of the dance floor with a lot of goodies - champagne, cake, fruit etc. and all the girls were sitting at various booths when the men walked in. The women had to get up to get someothing to eat or drink and all of us were able to see who had a nice figure (actually most of them) and who didn't. I then made a mental note of those girls and went and talked with them. Once in a while you see an old and frail man trying to take dates with a lot of very young women. They usually have ONE date - and often it involves a shopping trip, and it can cost a few hundred dollars. And while I would be very unsatisfied with those circumstances - but amazingly sometimes the men are thrilled. Its the most attention that they have gotten in YEARS! And they can't wait to come BACK! I just shake my head. Romance Socials don't work for everybody - but they work for me (and I NEVER do one date shopping trips). jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/27/2012 12:52:10 PM   And not to backtrack - though I am crazy about this 21 year old girl. And though we have an incredible time together, I realize that there is a very tiny tiny chance that we would ever marry. She has commented with remorse over and over again that the ONLY problem she has with me is my age. If I was ten years younger, or she was ten years older - it would at least be plausible. But its not plausible. Not when we have 35 year between us. I kind of half-heartedly even offered to start fiance visa papers for her. I knew she would not accept. But I offered anyway to see confirm. And she came over to tell me as we walked the last night I was there, that she couldn't. But she still seemed just as enthusiastic about taking an apartment together on my next trip and going to Bukovel. And I reiterate that we have not had one single shopping trip nor has she ever asked me for a penny. There is a threat on the horizon. A man 28 years old, that she has dated off and on has offered her a ring and a marriage proposal. She told me she turned it down, because of me. But he is there, he is age appropriate for her, and there is really nothing I can do (or should do) if she chooses to accpet his offer. We are still on for a ski trip. I still get wonderful SMSs and emails almost daily and we talk together a couple times a week. But reality is reality - and if the 28 year old guy is decent - there is not much I can (or should) do. paulx Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/27/2012 6:05:39 PM   Jet I spoke with romance socials and this what i got. Add or delete anything you feel is wrong. - There are about 20-30 guys and 1 to 10 ratio of guys to girls. - First day Social night at Keiv for 4 hours where you can select the girls you want to date next day - Then another social night in another city for 4 hours and then you go on date with them the next day - You are in Ukraine for 6 nights and total 9 days including the air time - Girls are good in Ukraine as well as Colombia - Most girls are educated and want to come and work here in US - IMBRA has to filled as it is a US based firm - You can initiate contact with girls on the site too though you pay extra. - Agencies sell profile to Foreign affairs and then FA spokesperson will go through all emails and then call them and convey the message to girl.So there is no privacy. - Few percentage of girls have access to internet cafes or have internet at home (I would want someone to confirm this) - In Keiv big city maybe 25% girls speak English - Tour cost $3995 including airfare form New York - In addition you should budget another $1000 $1000 for dates, interpreter etc -Average date at Keiv would cost $30 to $50 which excludes high end restaurants - If the girl doesn't speak English FA can teach her English. Cost is $250 per semester. They have it broken down to 4 semesters. If you buy all 4 semesters it cost $800. Jet i thought i read you buy your own tickets and hotel or do you buy the whole package. What does it cost you when you do that. I would like other people's opinion on what do they think about this package and if they have gone on other tours and recommend any one else. How many girls in Ukraine have access to internet at home, or on their cell phone or have access to internet cafe so you can skype with them. smart a Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/28/2012 4:43:12 AM   You're a dreamer! Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/28/2012 2:30:18 PM   good post paulx. you seem to be level and realistic. you will do well jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/28/2012 5:08:36 PM   paulx: -I've been on Romance Socials with as few as 15 guys and as many as 35 but those were exceptions. 20-30 is more typical and - a little tip - the colder the weather the better the Romance Socials as far as ratios go. In the summer the girls often leave the cities for work or leasure and there are huge numbers of men. In December for instance, the women are home, and hoping to meet someone before the holidays - and not as many men are willing to brave the cold Ukrainian winter. -You don't really SELECT the girls. You meet them and ask them if they will go out with you. I do pretty well - but I get turned down sometimes. A lot of men get turned down more frquently. Nothing is a sure thing but the girls ARE there for one reason - and that is to meet a serious man. So if you appeal to them they will go out with you. And another tip - their standards lower as the night progresses, especially if nobody much has spoken to them. In the beginning of the night there are women who only want a stunningly handsome in his early 30's. Those women either leave or get more reasonable before the end of the night. -The Romance Socials vary in length - but most are longer than 4 hours. They are 5 or 6 hours. And after that the place turns into a disco, with many women often hanging around, and if you have met someoen special you stay talking to her. You may have to pay for admission to the disco (cheap). That varies too. -I don't know much about contacting women over AFA's website. I have tried it on one occasion and did not like the experience at all. I either meet the girls in person or not at all. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/28/2012 5:27:23 PM   paulx: The first time I ever went to a Romance Social was in 2003. It went so well, and I was so spoiled by the experience that I thought I could do the same thing on my own. I mean - all I had to do was ASK these gorgeous women and they were all then willing to go out with me (I was younger and better looking then than now). I figured why do I need a Romance Social? Why don't I just try this on my own? Well I discovered that I was able to take a few weeks off from my work - but not enough time to get a Ukrainian visa (you needed one then, you don't need one now). Not to worry, I figured, I could go to Latvia without a visa. So me being Mr. Confident, without ever writing to a girl, and knowing nobody there, I went to Latvia, thinking it might be the same and I could just pick up women by talking to them. Was I ever wrong. I got a hotel room and headed for an internet cafe - and I spent the first week of two doing nothing but trying to get women to go out with me via the internet. Its laughable now, It seemed like a distaster then. Every day I got up, had breakfast and headed for the internet cafe. Women told me "Oh if you had come just for me I would go out with you, but I think you came for someone else." or "Are you a sex tourist?". I heard a hundred other excuses and got a dose of reality very quickly. My second week was better - as I did meet someone special and dated her and another couple of women - I had a date most every night. But nothing made me feel more stupid than sitting in an internet cafe halfway around the world, trying to convince ANYBODY to go out with me. I use Romance SOcials now ith MUCH better results. paulx Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/29/2012 12:28:25 PM   Smart a . You are right. I am a a dreamer who like to dream big and takes action to make them come true. Thanks Rick. Realism helps. We all have a choice to see what we want to see. Some see sex market, some see scammers, some see fun and travel, and others see beautiful women adorned with good values and rich persona. Jet thanks for sharing your personal experience.That is very valuable. I can understand it seems easy that to go by yourself and meet the girls but then it ain't as easy especially because of language barriers. The tours help as they do local advertising to get all the women there. Has anyone in this forum has experience with meeting girls online through websites and then going and meeting them. I will appreciate their perspective. I would also like anyone's view on registering on Russian facebook vk.com or any other online dating sites. Jet have you ever noticed the same girls coming to different events. If yes, what percentage of the girls are repeat. And are these girls paid by romance social. I was told that they advertise locally to get the girls to come there. I would also like someone's perspective on how these online dating firms operate. It seems some of them are buying the profile from local agencies, some are just faking the profile from other websites, some are advertising locally. In some cases it seems that these local agencies work as middlemen to online dating sites and get paid when a guy open a letters ( pay per letter scenario) or ask for translation. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/29/2012 3:36:49 PM   They tell me that Anastasia pays women to go to Romance Socials. I have been to one Anastasia Social and everything seemed pretty shady - so it wouldn't surprise me. But with AFA Socials - all you need to do is get there an hour ealy and you can see women streaming in to register. Often times they heard through a friend of a friend and they are very excited to be there. They might very well advertise locally. I see nothing wrong with that. Yes there are repeats - when I was in Poltava in September 2012 - I met two girls I had met in Poltava in January 2010 - both are in their 30's. The reason - if the are 30 20 guys and 200 women - even if EVERY ONE of them men met their wives (which doesn't happen of course) - 90% of the ladies are not chosen. So they may come back next time a Romance Social is on. But I have never met one single girl who was paid to attend an AFA Social. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/29/2012 4:23:26 PM   jet that comment of you sitting at the internet cafe brings back memory's, its exactly how i felt, never never again would i do such i promised myself, unless i was very stuck. at that time i had time on my hands(first trip), so i thought why not, i'm glad i did this for future wise.. paulx i did it very diff after my first trip,, first trip i booked a full month of travel through a tourist company, customized for me(cost me 4000-5000usd i think) did half ukraine as a tourist and worked in the agencys girls to the diff citys i was going through,. that trip gave me the foundation of how i wanted to go about it. all my trips were 1-3 months long. after the first trip i decided to form relationships through the net" singles sites, not agencys, fiancecom i did once and wouldn't visit for the minimum of 6-8 months from first contact. this way i got a very good feel of who they were. age was not an issue,, youngest was at least twenty two years difference i dated. i think one of the most relevant things with any new guy, he should firstly find out his capability's with dealing with things over there, what best works for him, your weakest and best points as a guy so you dont look like an idiot or be taken advantage of,, time of cause sorts most of this rubbish out. its pretty hard not to do some dumb things in the beginnings, its a learning process in play. then of cause once you know your capability's you can decide the best way for yourself to connect with her. visiting the place i found myself partially out of my depth with the FSU so i new in my the future visits i will need some kind of help. so knowing this i had the girls organize it all for me. transport, apartments and of cause their time, this also was an advantage for me, it gave me a look into how serious they actually were. they looked after me from the airport, in-between and back to the airport,, organized many sight seeing trips.. they are very willing to do this for you,, of cause i had backup plans to hotels and airports and plane schedules to leave for other parts of Europe if needed(never did). also i decided against ukraine,, to much foreign competition,, ukraine is far easier for westerners to get around in,,, hence the competition. i have visited some big history places now, sat will many interesting people, its had its sad moments. theres a lot to take in over there. do i understand them now. no" not really, but i can mingle in without standing out which shows I'm half comfortable with the place, the language was my problem(i just couldnt get it). but the big one is knowing your capability's so you cannot be taken advantage of. myself, i have know idea about tours, and what it gives, will it give you a easy quick understanding of the place, maybe not, but it would make life very easy for you. defending for yourself is very different when trains taxis or food is your normal day affair in this alien world of a strange language and writings. biggest tip,, try to keep things simple, stay with english speaking girls period. bowhunter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/29/2012 7:41:09 PM   Paulx sorry its late but just sent a PM jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/30/2012 12:09:11 PM   good points kiwinorth: My trips to Ukraine are generally 2 1/2 to 4 weeks long. After that I start feeling a little like I want to be back home. Work requires me to be home about then anyway - but I guess I could go longer if not for work. I was engaged to two ladies - both of whom woul meet me at the airport and stay with me 24/7 during most of my 18(? I think) trips to Eastern Europe. Once you have that its really easy, and fun to arrange trips around Ukraine and to stay in a very nice apartment as opposed to a hotel with the girl. It sounds like this girl I just met, the 21 year old, will also do the same thing when I return. I go to Ukraine ONLY because they have Romance Socials conducted by AFA. AFA doesn't do them anywhere else in Eastern Europe. If not for that I would love to give Belarus or Russia a try. smart a Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/30/2012 4:29:45 PM   I'm referring to you Paulx....Just this: Drum roll..... Guys: Two of the incredible women I have met and had relationships with since 2003 lasting more than two years - have been 23 years younger than I have been. THAT in my book is acceptable. Even marriable. This woman is 21 and I am 55. Thats a 34 year age difference. And that is HUGE even by my exceptional standards. But she and I are a perfect match in every other way. I dare say I have never met anyone who matches every aspect of my personality in my life as she does. And she said the same thing to me (actually she said if first). The ONLY problem we have is that age difference. But I certainly won't stop seeing her just for that. ' My Exceptional Standards'?? 'THAT in my book is acceptable. Even marriageable'???? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/30/2012 8:29:59 PM   smart a: And your point is....? I said that 23 years IS acceptable for marriage. 34 years is not. Are you reading challenged? Are you upset that I did not get SCAMMED in Nikolaev like someone else did? smart a Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2012 9:09:49 AM   A man went on a forum once and said, he got married after meeting a woman from an Anastasia tour, here you are, bagging them.. I think you complained about the 'quality' of women at the socials and perhaps the numbers on your postings, is this correct? So, your a successful client and advocate of AFA?? AFA state they have a 65% marriage\ engagement ratio because of their socials...If that was the case, men who attend, say, 2 trips + 3 socials a trip, with 100-200 women at each social, should of had he's number called out by now.. Drum Roll p-l-e-a-s-e, AFA don't do any background checks on any of the women.They state that on their website, whilst telling you punters that every woman is verified. So, which do you believe after, how many trips and socials over how many years? Perhaps Martin could throw a lifeline to you and set you up with Girl Friday #4?..Martin knows the Mayor and the neighbours Pig! I think you would enjoy the Philippines, the women don't discriminate about age difference, 34 years diffence is acceptable and so long as you are paying, they would be cheaper then the AFA Wenches in the FSU.. Order a GFE if you want. Call the AFA people, it wont be long and they will be doing tours in Seychelles..Ideal for the punters with flair!...Like you? Tip!..Go work for AFA and get paid to go on a social. I'm just trying to point out a few things that might help you, that's all.. paulx Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2012 1:01:03 PM   Kiwinorth thanks for your informative post. You mentioned making contact through fiance.com and net singles. Can you suggest other websites that you used for contacting women. What country or cities did you focus on as you said you didn't go to Ukraine. You emphasized a lot about knowing ones capabilities. Can you put more light on that and if you have any examples that would be great too. Thanks Jet for your info on AFA. I think for first timers tour might a good way to get introduced and least hassle though in long run I like the idea of renting an apartment as a home base and travel from there and see and learn. I think with English speaking girls one dosen't have to go through all the hassle for translators but i was wondering if anyone in this forum dated or married someone who had basic English skills and how was their experience and how did they deal with it. What were the challenge one faced when speaking to non English speaking girls. For Ukraine, does anyone have preferences for certain cities because of mobility, weather, etc or they are all the same. Besides AFA does anyone know of any other tours? smart a Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2012 4:32:52 AM   paulx, if your go with AFA, your wasting your money jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2012 7:48:41 AM   Paulx - Anastasia offers Romance Tours too but they should be avoided at all cost. If you sign up for three Romance Socials in three cities AFA does them this way. Day 1 arrival to Ukraine check into hotel in city one. Day 2 Romance Social in city one. Day 3 Date while staying in hotel in city one. Day 4 Leave city one for city two, early in morning. Romance Social in city two in afternoon. Day 5 Date while staying in hotel in city two. Day 6 Leave city two for city three, early in morning. Romance Social in city three in afternoon. Day 7 Date while staying at hotel in city three. Day 8 Leave city three to return to hotel at city one OR make arrangments to see woman you met at any of the socials. Day 10 or 11 get on plane to return home. I signed up with Anastasia for three Romance Socials in TWO cities and this is how Anastasia did them. Day 1 Arrive in Ukraine check into hotel in city one. Day 2 Romance Social in city one. Day 3 SECOND Romance Social in city one. Day 4 Early in morning get on bus to city two. Your belongings stay in hotel in city one. Do Romance Social in city two. Get on bus immediately after Romance Social in city two and return to city one. much better.Day 5. Date while staying in hotel in city one. What if you met girl in city two? Tough luck. You should have stayed there. Even though all your belongings were in hotel in city one. Day 6. Date while staying in city one. FORGET girl from city two. We gave you the Social. Whadaya want? Figure out a way back there if you can on your own. Day 10 - 11 return home. AFA is jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2012 8:04:04 AM   samrt a: Your post stinks with desperation. I am not married yet, but its not because it was impossible. I brought one lady over on a fiance visa. Unfortunately around the same time my son passed away so it wasn't a good time to consider matrimony. But later we had several opportunities and she wanted very much to get married. Another lady I dated for two years begged me to do a fiance visa - that we could get married. I messed up on that one, as part of a long story. But it was ME who committed the error - not her. You sound sad, pathetic and needy - and NONE of those things appeal to Ukrainian women. I don't NEED a lifeline from Martin or anybody else. I am having the time of my life and I wouldn't want to be doing anything any differently. I know that your primary role here is to whine about what happened to you in 2008-2009 in Nikolaev. Thats fine. Whine away. But you are not bringing ME down. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2012 8:12:29 AM   Hey guys - Pardon my post above - I wish I could edit. This is what it was supposed to be. Paulx - Anastasia offers Romance Tours too but they should be avoided at all cost. If you sign up for three Romance Socials in three cities AFA does them this way. Day 1 arrival to Ukraine check into hotel in city one. Day 2 Romance Social in city one. Day 3 Date while staying in hotel in city one. Day 4 Leave city one for city two, early in morning. Romance Social in city two in afternoon. Day 5 Date while staying in hotel in city two. Day 6 Leave city two for city three, early in morning. Romance Social in city three in afternoon. Day 7 Date while staying at hotel in city three. Day 8 Leave city three to return to hotel at city one OR make arrangments to see woman you met at any of the socials. Day 10 or 11 get on plane to return home. I signed up with Anastasia for three Romance Socials in TWO cities and this is how Anastasia did them. Day 1 Arrive in Ukraine check into hotel in city one. Day 2 Romance Social in city one. Day 3 SECOND Romance Social in city one. Day 4 Early in morning get on bus to city two. Your belongings stay in hotel in city one. Do Romance Social in city two. Get on bus immediately after Romance Social in city two and return to city one. Day 5. Date while staying in hotel in city one. What if you met girl in city two? Tough luck. You should have stayed there. Even though all your belongings were in hotel in city one. Day 6. Date while staying in city one. FORGET girl from city two. We gave you the Social. Whadaya want? Figure out a way back there if you can on your own. Day 10 - 11 return home. AFA is much better. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > How to find the right women?
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