She is also not on vkontact nor on mamba.ru. I am the first foreign man she has ever dated.
So the ONLY way you would ever have a chance to meet this incredible lady (or one like her - and there are probably many in similar situations), is to attend a Romance Social and to be incredibly lucky like I was.
And there is nothing wrong with this, Jetma. My 22 year old actually proposed marriage to me as she is worried someone will take me from her.
We are in Kharkiv staying with her apartment with her mom who is only 52. Im closer in age to her mom than with her. Her mom is very happy with these events.
Lets be honest here. Ive explained the perils of her being my wife in US but she doesnt care. We have great relationship for 4 years now so
why not? She actually went to gov office and brought back papers for me and asked me to sign for marriage license.
Im thinking I should probably do it. She is willing to sign pre-nup and everything I ask.
I really wasnt expecting this but we really get along well and as Ive said before Its a combination of father figure and lover.
Will it work after several years? who can say but it is alot of fun right now. The sex is awesome and we connect in many ways and my kids
like her and dont care how old she is. What can go wrong.....right?
"Dumb a": Prostitutes do it for money. Just ask your mom. If you are not PAYING a girl, in cash or earrings, she is certainly not a prostitute.
I know these concepts are difficult for you and Looney. Maybe both of you should stay out of the FSU and leave it to the men who actually understand the women there. I am not the first on this site to suggest this for you but it might be a good idea.
I must admit that it is very cool to have a 21 year old (or 22 in your case) so concerned that you might be seeing someone else.
My girl went through my phone looking for messages from other girls constantly. One day I left to walk around while she was in her village and I left my phone in my room. She tried calling several times and sent several messages, which of course I didn't answer or get. She then called me at 19:00 and 22:00 just to see that I wasn't with anyone else. For a gorgeous 21 year old to be so jealous of attention an older guy like me might be getting is amazing.
While she and I were together - I got a call, which suprised her as much as me. When I answered she was up against my phone straining to hear who it might be. It turned out was a man who spoke no English and clearly had the wrong number. But she was VERY suspicious.
Now back in the USA I get emails and SMS's from her every day. Sometimes several. I love this.
Still hung up on a pair of ear rings?? Gift equals payment??????
What about that camera,,, did you leave it with her,,, or did you sneak it away before you got on the plane??? And what about that necklace around your girl’s neck?? Is that from you or that 28 year old local guy????
Jet,,, do you think you are the only guy to have a girl get jealous over a phone call??? Do you think that you have a monopoly on everything good or positive???
It’s no big secret that the majority of women who attend socials, are only there for a free meal and a few drinks. It shouldn’t be too difficult to realize that some will follow a guy to his hotel room for a meal, or with the hope of a present or his left over money when he leaves.
Can you imagine how disappointed jet’s girl must have been to learn he is so cheap???
“Looney - the silver necklace you see around my girls neck cost me all of $5. Thats right, a whole $5.
Thats 1/118 as much as your $590 earrings. “
(A gasp),,,,,,, That’s simply outstanding!!! LMFAO!!!
On another thread,, I claimed that Juntmba wasn’t able to get a girl to come home with him,,, that’s why he has long accepted that he won’t ever marry,,, and he has no choice in it anyway.
Now,,,, I realize he can’t afford it.
Jet,,, you could save a few dollars if you washed out the used condom!!!!
I snoozed and loozed, and need a beer to celebrate my near disaster of it all!!! In a couple years I am taking a flight to Ukraine, to busy for the near term, no agencies, no plan, just rent a car and get lost for a couple weeks.
Looney: Tell you what. YOU go to a foreign land with a $5 silver necklace. No other gifts - no giving money. And lets see if a lady like you enough to sleep with you.
I can do it THERE or HERE. Because I have the personality.
YOU can do it THERE only because you buy it with $590- earrings. EVEN $590 EARRINGS won't get you laid here in America - because they are not impressive enough to sway an American girl. They are plenty impressive to sway a Ukrainian girl. Therefore you HAVE to go to Ukraine for sex. That makes YOU the sex tourist.
If women like you well enough to sleep with you - they will do it in ANY country. You don't NEED to go to Ukraine. I have that. I don't NEED to be a sex tourist.
YOU obviously NEED to go to a place like Ukraine and feebly give her a gift worth four months salary. You can't afford to give an American girl a gift worth four months salary to try and impress her (at least $10,000) - so you do it in Ukraine. That makes YOU the sex tourist. Not me.
Is it a(n unfunny) joke that you really don't get this? Or are you being like an obstinate 5 year old who will go all day with you, insisting that YOU are the 5 year old and HE is the adult? Which is it?
Wait. Is it simply that I am more successful at getting ladies that you think makes me a sex tourist? I mean, admittedly I have been to Ukraine more than you have been, but beyond that, it seems you have thrown money at many, many, many girls and few will even keep their agreed upon MEETINGS with you. Are you hung up on the idea that simply because women seem to LIKE me and they don't seem to like you, that I must be a sex tourist?
If THATS the problem, Looney, your argument still doesn't work. Why, because women like me HERE better than you too!
You must be jealous over my ability to buy $590 ear rings!! You can’t understand what a GIFT is either. I didn’t expect anything for them in return,,,,,, confused again Juntmba???
Perhaps you need things to be put into perspective??? For X-mas over the years,,, I’ve bought a nephew a 800usd rifle, I bought my parents an “all in one” hp printer,,,, and when no one could get it to work with our phone line,,, including an Aerospace engineer and a software designer,,,,, I bought them another one,,, and kept the 1st one for myself. I’ve bought the parents a TV years ago,,,, bought them a flat screen last year,,, VCRs and a DVDR a few years ago. Sets of tires,,,,, boat motor, microwaves, another rifle,, boxes of ammo, 50usd+ per box, rifle scopes,,, not cheapies either, etc, etc!
So are you starting to get it about the ear rings yet????? It was a holiday (Valentine‘s Day),,, and I wouldn’t get to see her again for a while!!!
Am I bragging about being rich?? No,, because I’m really not, but I do treat loved ones and family well.
On another thread somewhere,,, I can’t seem to find it tonight,,,, you keep talking about how I paid her boyfriend to take her home?? It wasn’t always the same driver! The girl and the interp most likely split the 200!
I had the option of going to her hometown,,,, or paying for her taxi! I chose to pay for her taxi!!! I was tired of all the travel,,, plus,,, it was a time saver!! A bus came from the direction of her hometown every 30 to 40 minutes,,,, but how long did the trip take?? I’m only there for so long,,, I didn’t want to waste it waiting for a bus?!!
One of the taxi drivers let her drive part of the way home?! I said to her:,,, He must have liked you, for him to let you drive his car?? Her reply was: he was just being friendly,,, and besides,,, he is married!! I went on to say: The car is how he makes a living, it’s hard to believe he would risk that without wanting something in return?,,,, and besides,,, from what I have heard,,,, when does marriage stop a guy??? The next few letters from her weren’t too nice.
I have often thought the guy was her boyfriend, but I have no real proof. Just the look he gave me that last night,,,, one of pure hatred!! And the crawling out of the window.
And about the 4 months of salary,,,,, again, you don’t know what you are talking about. The lesser of her jobs would have been less than two months,,, and today, she makes more than that,, more than the price of the ear rings.
“because women like me HERE better than you too! “ ????
Really??
Have I said one word to you about women here?? No,,, I haven’t!! Back in the day,, finding a date was no problem. I’ve even dated 2 one summer,,, simultaneously! It was a sticky situation,,, the brother of one girl,,, and the sister of the other,,,, also dated!! Lol I would go out with one girl,,, and we would meet up with her sister,,, then another night, meet up with the girl’s brother. I was so surprised it lasted as long as it did. I also stopped dating them simultaneously.
Today, I don’t go out much,,, and usually I’m in a hurry to return home. It’s very rare that I see someone who I would want to date,,, and much rarer that I would want to marry them.
Looney: Since you really seem lost I am going to help you out.
You have complained in this forum previously that a lot of girls you arrange to meet with simply don't show up. And that completely baffles you, because you claim you are being "completely honest with them" and telling them that you are there to visit five girls in four cities.
Lets switch the situation around a little and maybe you will get a clue.
SUPPOSE you were writing to a Natasha in Odessa and you told her that you would be coming to Ukraine in February to meet five girls and that she is one of the lucky ones to make your list ("Yippeee" I am sure you think she is saying). She has been pouring her heart and soul into letters to you, and she has made the five girl cut-off. (Oh JOY!) You tell her that HER slot will be between February 6th, 2013 and February 10th, 2013.
She writes back to you and says:
"Oh Thank you Sweet and Precious Looney. February 6th to February 10th will work out perfect for me. Because I must be honesst with YOU TOO and tell you that I have ALSO been pouring my heart and soul into letters to other men who have made MY cut-off and I have four other foreign men who will be visiting me in February. Pierre will be spening five days with me from February 1st to February 6th (perhaps you will MEET him as he is leaving, he is quite wonderful). And John will be spending five days with me from February 11th to February 15th (I can't WAIT to spend Valentines Day with John. He is the most handsome of all of you!). Abdul will be spending February February 16th to February 20th (we hope to rent a room with a hot tub!). And Sergea will be spending February 21st to February 26th with me (Its Serge'a BIRTHDAY on February 22nd and I have promised him a special surprise he has never had before!).
So February 6th to February 11th will work out just fine with me. Please be assured that I am a serious girl and only interested in a serious relationship, with YOU Sergea... er I mean LOONEY, and with nobody else but you. I can't wait to meet you and to plan our future together with just YOU!
PS Could you please bring me some $590 earrings. I really like gifts that cost more than I make in 3 months! Thank you my DEAR!"
Would you still be as enthusiastic about seeing her? Would you even show up at all? How does it feel to have her playing you as one of five like you are playing HER as one of five?
WOW,, Jet, you are completely clueless!!!!
The ear rings were given on the last day of my first trip to Ukraine!! What sex???
Do you hate me because I still have some integrity?? I’m still searching for my perfect mate and haven’t thrown in the towel and said: Just Fxxkem‘??!!
The first trip to both Russia and Ukraine,, I had 5 women to see.
The second trip I had one woman to meet, and one who I just started to write to. The first one I had wrote to for a long time,,,, but we were strangers when we met,,,, the second girl in a nearby city didn’t show up!
For the third trip, I only wrote to one woman. But as the date of the trip neared,,, things didn’t seem quite right,, so I started to write to 3 others in that town. After only a few letters from each,,, it was clear that they were ALL working for the agency,,, demanding that I stay in the agency’s apartments! I almost told all of them, and the agency owner “to bleep off“,,,, but settled for just telling two off! I almost called the trip off.
The meeting with the primary girl went okay,,, a single meeting with one of the extra girls went quite well,,, but we were not a good match. I had a 1.5 hour meeting with the 4th girl,,, it went okay, nothing special. The next day, the agency owner offered to have the 4th girl spend a couple of nights in Kiev with me,,, to ride along with me to Kiev and stay for a couple of nights??? I declined!!!
My last trip to Ukraine, was to meet the first girl from the year before. I knew things were off for months,,,, but I wanted to know for sure. I told two forum members about my suspicions and doubts. The suspicions I had were only the tip of the iceberg. She claimed to be busy with work,,,, then I was told she was out of the country. My suspicions were that I hadn’t been writing to the same girl, since the time of an argument months before.
It should also be noted,,, that the interpreter in that city and 3 of the 4 girls were best friends!!!!
Success was never possible!
So JUNTMBA,,, just how much sex should I have been getting from these girls???
So Looney, were you trying to buy sex from your parents and your nephew too?
Looney writes:
"Dear Sweetheart, I have been SO touched by your letters that I am coming to Ukraine EXCLUSIVELY to see you.....and four other girls. If I can get sex from any of you I might buy you expensive earrings afterward - or just leave a few hindred grievna on the table in the morning, if I don't have a chance to visit an underground jewelry store. I want girls who aren't tainted, until I have gotten done with them. You should know that most women who sleep with me choose never to have sex again, as the experience disgusts them so much. So don't worry about ever wanting to be with another man.
If you are very bright and have any dignity at all of course, you will not show up for our meeting. Seems many Ukrainian girls, when I ask them to meet me as one of five, suddenly tell me to get lost. I am used to that now.