You see I DID catch the two dumbest guys in the forum.
They DID flip out, just like I thought, for my story.
Now let me put this in perspective.
I went to Ukraine and found a girl to eat with - so that I wouldn't have to eat alone, within thirty minutes. She offered to sleep with me the next Friday, but instead I dated another girl (who I didn't sleep with either).
Whats wrong with that?
Horrors! A man dated TWO women in a WEEK. Oh the SHAME! Right?
Anybody see any money that changed hands? Any payments of cash or earrings? And false promises made? Anything at all?
But the two dumbest guys in the forum, who are SO unsuccessful, jealous, and looking for a way to jusmp on anybody who can GO to Ukraine and even have a DATE with a woman (without payment) are jumping all over me - claiming that a story as innocent as this one makes me a SEX TOURIST.
Congratulations - you two behaved exactly as I suspected - with jealousy and accusations. And I rest my case (for now).
Are you PAYING agencies? And are they PAYING (at least sometimes) the girls?
Then YOU are the sex tourist. Why can't you get that?
YOU are coming to a country at the direction of the agency so that THEy can make money.
THATS what sex tourism is - you are coming to BUY a service - just like if you go to a brothel to buy a service. Whether or not you are actually doing the act doesn't matter. The GIRLS are the product and YOU are paying for it! Money changes hands and the girls are the product and the attraction.
Totally off subject but do not want to start another tread. Has anyone gone cowboy'd up in Ukraine or Russia? I usually have to go cloth shopping before traveling to Europe so I don't stand out like a yee haw. But I am getting to old to change my willy ways. I don't do the hat very often but boots and bootleg jeans, flannel shirts, camo hats all that. How would you be looked at over there?
The posts I read from you have been getting more and more amped up, to the point of hysteria.
When I get to the stage where I'm saying "so-and-so is a nitwit," but passionately arguing with the same party because I care so much what he says/thinks ...
... it's time to take a good long look in the mirror, to ask who am *I* -- and what am I trying to accomplish?
If you're as happy and successful as you claim to be, why do you seem to be so desperate to prove it to guys you seem to despise?
Not many weeks ago, you wrote that you have survived the death of son, a calamity beyond my comprehension. If a father could weep a lake of tears, it would not be enough.
To me, it's understandable that a man would feel the need to "go on a runner," and try to shake it off. But wherever we go, my brother, there we are. As a far-distant observer, I've gotten the impression that your balloon has become untethered, and the winds now carry it away. Sooner or later, each of us must return to earth.
durak: With all due respect, what does the death of my son have to do with anything here? That was nearly eight years ago and I haven't written about it except in two PMs in years. And neither of those PMs was to you. Nor has it been mentioned in the forum in any regard for YEARS.
So why do you bring it up?
I have having a forum battle against two people who coninually harrass me for being successful. If it annoys you so badly, you are free to read other threads.
blue_craze: I can't speak for Russia. I have never been there. I can only speak for the places I have visited in Ukraine. And you would look like a Hee Haw.
Even good quality Wranglers, Levis or other jeans that do not have the proper (atificial) fading are thought to look like you are "from the village". They have to have the right amount of stitchin on the pocket - and even men (though not me) wear things like studs and shiney things.
Gone are the days when you had to wera black leather jacket and black pointed shoes - but those are still better than general western clothes. Now you can wear more stylish clothes but they have to be ITALIAN (or European) stylish. Not American casual wear.
The thing is no one is ever going to admit that they are wrong, so it will be a constant negative energy until someone decides to ignore and drop it. No body reading the forum really cares so much about "the" single individual here. Its all about caring about self, about ones self image that keeps the battle going. Like with Durak there, he may have over stepped some boundaries with you but he was doing it without guile, that loss is part of who you are now.
If they attack you, who cares, why should you? Nobody who has any kind of strong independent thought process is going to judge you based on what a couple strangers says about you. And the same goes for them because they are doing the same exact thing you are, trying to defend there integrity which does not need to be defended on an anonymous forum such as this.
I see camouflage pants once in a while - stylish pants - on WOMEN.
But I have never seen a camouflaged hat on a man.
Then again, I sometimes dress to fit in and consequently get lost in the crowd, pushed and shoved in lines and queues UNTIL I speak up and speak English with an American accent and then I get a lot of attention.
Maybe you just want to skip the fitting in part and go for the attention part?
Thank you blu-craze, but why aren't you as vocal to these guys when I am accused of being a "sex tourist" a fairly serious charge, just because I happen to date women, with some success and DON'T find them to be "whores" and "scammers"?
If not me, perhaps you should be willing to stand up for the population of women, from these charges at least?
When I was in Italy I would see a local mechanic dress in a fine suite and leave to work, change into his work cloths there, and when he was off put the suite back on and go home ;) I was told when I asked about it was that Italians are very particular about self image. But I made a pact with myself next time I travel to Europe is that I am just going as myself, besides I am just going there to meet friends and explore, I am to old to be chasing woman around the cities. And if I meet a girl that sees that for what it is, great, if not I'm really not afraid to be Alone and not lonely. When I get back in the game again that is.
Because I notice that no matter how vocalized I get and how many arguments I get in to no body ever wins and even I get pissed and keep at it and it does nothing for me. I prefer to debate topics that avoid the emotional aspect.
But I did mention in a post resonantly that when people are referring to a man sleeping with a girl as whore mongering that they are inadvertently calling an innocent girl in that country a slut or whore and is wrong.
But mainly because not of this matters as I said, they say your a sex tourist, you say your not, thats the end of it. Whatever they say does not matter, and whatever you say to them does not matter to them because they also are just interested in their side of the argument.
The culture in Eastern Europe is entirely different than it is here. In Eastern Europe if you have ANY success you flaunt it.
If you happen to read Forbes Magazine - you might be aware that many of the richest people in America dress in ordinary clothes and drive ordinary cars - Sam Walton in his later days drove and old pickup truck from Walmart to Walmart. Warren Buffet still lives in simple home in Omaha that he moved to in 1956.
A best selling book called "The Millionaire Next Door" was written on this very subject. Wealth is downplayed in the US. But this is just not the case in Eastern Europe. If you DRESS like a Yahoo - you likely ARE a Yahoo. And they aren't looking for a foreign Yahoo. They have plenty of domestic ones.
Almost universally the guys who do the WORST at Romance Socials are the guys who refuse to wear a suit. A suit is still respected over there. Almost every hotel has shoe shine supplies available because many women will not be seen with men who have scuffy shoes. most hotels have an ironing room - as an Eastern European man of substance wouldn't be caught dead in an unironed shirt.
blu_craze wrote: "I don't do the hat very often but boots and bootleg jeans, flannel shirts, camo hats all that. How would you be looked at over there?"
most certainly you would stand out as an American,lol
In winter I tend to stand out more because of my preference for wearing athletic gear (sweatpants,hoodie)during the day because I refuse to be uncomfortable.
I wear base layer ski thermals underneath, even under suits, because I simply hate wearing big coats. So I usually stand out by being the only
one without a big heavy coat on the streets. Now I do tend to suffer indoors because of this because everywhere is incredibly warm with central heating.
As to the professional matchmaking? Elena's I hear has very good results. It definitely better than blindly doing the agency thing.
blu_craze: I have recieved a number of unsolicited PMs from people in the forum who resent the idea that any man who succeeds in dating women, and enjoying what he is doing - is seem as a sex tourist - by jealous men who have nothing positive to say about the process. and that women simply DON'T like!
It is not MY fault that women don't like them, nor is it the fault of the women. They need to stop blaming others and top being jealous and realize that if THEY can't find women, its not because of men who came before them - but because of THEM.
And by the way, not that it is anybody's business - but I have made some 20-25 trips in ten years - and have slept with a total of FOUR women in all of those trips. A sex tourist would like sleep with more than 4 women on a single trip.
So these guys are not ONLY undesired by the women they are pursuing - but they are stupid as well.
I knew OF one man - an ACTUAL sex tourist who had a different 18 year old girl (always blonde) every night. Twelve women in 14 days.
This guy was a physician and a widower. His dead wife had ALSO been a physician and she died very quickly from breast cancer. He kind of lost it that neither he nor his wife, had been able to detect the cancer nor cure it and he just went off the deep end.
At HIS rate I would have had to have slept with 350 women in 25 trips - not FOUR.
But what do you expect, as far as accusations, from guys who women can't stand ANYWHERE!
blu_craze, you'll look like american :) get rid of the boots and wear sneakers, T-shirt instead of shirt and you'll look like russian... Jet is not right about jeans - everybody here wears jeans! http://www.management.web-standart.net/photos/5469.jpg this guy has more than $300 000 000 and he wears jeans all the time except of some very oficial meetings