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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Guys, why are you even using "marriage agency" websites?? There are better ways Author Post moyarishka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/27/2013 3:02:22 AM   "I don't need your satisfaction" Mick Jagger ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/27/2013 1:04:18 PM   I think the phrase is "I can't get no satisfaction," moyarishka. Do you want to change it or was that intentional? moyarishka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/27/2013 2:36:28 PM   ragingbull, yeah i wanted to change it :) ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/28/2013 11:43:38 AM   You can't get no satisfaction because you can't always get what you want. But if you try, sometimes well you might find, you get what you need. getreal Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/28/2013 8:04:42 PM   Armin and Lonelyranger, IMHO you’re both right. Lonelyranger, I’ve had some horrible experiences dating in Nikolaev too. I was very upset at the time also. But here’s the thing: we all know that there are many professional daters/scammers/whatever you want to call them in Ukraine, and Nikolaev has a reputation for having a lot of them (which is accurate). However, what Armin says is true too. There are a lot of great, fantastic people in Nikolaev. I’ve been treated with unbelievable kindness there, in a way that’s made some us fall in love with Ukrainians because there are so many who are warm-hearted and open. They really are a special people. But you have to penetrate through that first layer of professional daters. That’s harder to do when you have things against you like: 1) visiting for a short time, 2) living very far away (eg. North America), 3) not speaking the language, 4) overall not really having any level of integration in Ukrainian society and 5) doing something that’s not really looked upon very favourably in Ukraine or the west, which is traveling abroad to meet women. We should also remember to take a look at ourselves (as a group). As other posters have said, a lot of the guys who use marriage agency websites are dreamers who don’t even go to Ukraine. It’s hard to feel bad for those guys when they waste money, because their whole way of going about it is so messed up. As for the guys who actually go to Ukraine, I strongly suspect the number of guys who try to meet a partner and then eventually drop the idea is far higher than the number of guys who actually make it work. Plus, like any group, we’ve got our members who aren’t the strongest, because maybe they have issues finding women overall, or maybe they just have issues, or whatever. So, considering all that, is it any wonder that a lot of normal Ukrainian women don’t want to bother with any of this? Enter the marriage agencies and professional daters . . . getreal Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/28/2013 8:07:51 PM   Armin and Lonelyranger, IMHO you’re both right. Lonelyranger, I’ve had some horrible experiences dating in Nikolaev too. I was very upset at the time also. But here’s the thing: we all know that there are many professional daters/scammers/whatever you want to call them in Ukraine, and Nikolaev has a reputation for having a lot of them (which is accurate). However, what Armin says is true too. There are a lot of great, fantastic people in Nikolaev. I’ve been treated with unbelievable kindness there, in a way that’s made some us fall in love with Ukrainians because there are so many who are warm-hearted and open. They really are a special people. But you have to penetrate through that first layer of professional daters. That’s harder to do when you have things against you like: 1) visiting for a short time, 2) living very far away (eg. North America), 3) not speaking the language, 4) overall not really having any level of integration in Ukrainian society and 5) doing something that’s not really looked upon very favourably in Ukraine or the west, which is traveling abroad to meet women. We should also remember to take a look at ourselves (as a group). As other posters have said, a lot of the guys who use marriage agency websites are dreamers who don’t even go to Ukraine. It’s hard to feel bad for those guys when they waste money, because their whole way of going about it is so messed up. As for the guys who actually go to Ukraine, I strongly suspect the number of guys who try to meet a partner and then drop the idea is far higher than the number of guys who actually make it work. Plus, like any group, we’ve got our members who aren’t the strongest, because maybe they have issues finding women overall, or maybe they just have issues. So, considering all that, is it any wonder that a lot of normal Ukrainian women don’t want to bother with any of this? Enter the marriage agencies and professional daters, they do. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/30/2013 2:16:44 AM   G-R,, I know what you mean, the only three people in Ukraine that I can still say positive things about, live in Nikolaev. A taxi driver and his wonderful family. He raced me from Nikolaev to Kiev in a snow storm,,, I gave him a 100USD tip. The people or citizens that we on the forum, care or worry about the most, are the single women! The single women of Nikolaev have the WORST reputation in Ukraine!! Almost everyone on the forum knows this,,, even Durak has said negative things about Nikolaev! It seems ,,, the more English schools that open up in Nikolaev,,,, the less English they speak!! I have seen several women who used to be “fluent” in English,,, change their profiles to Beginner or None! Why? An American in Nikolaev has been doing the same thing Armin has been doing,,,, and I don’t believe him either! durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/30/2013 5:52:45 AM   In the hope of reducing any future misunderstanding ... there are a few places in the former Soviet Union (Nikolaev being one of them) that, by reputation, are especially active places for international dating scam activity. I haven't been to any of those places myself; I've learned about them from other people's stories. If it's true that Nikolaev (for example) has an exceptional amount of scam activity, this says NOTHING AT ALL about the city itself, its general population, or the character of the women who live there. Probably, it takes only half a dozen rotten marriage agencies to give a terrible reputation to a small city. Perhaps the dating-fraud industry in such a city needs only a few hundred men and women. Let's be generous, and say 1000. So even if Nikolaev had 1000 workers in the dating fraud industry, that would mean that 99.8% of the population is NOT part of that shady business. So if a man on this forum says, "be careful when you get emails from a woman in Lugansk," that doesn't say that Lugansk is a bad city. It doesn't say that there aren't many decent women there who would love to find a good husband. It says that there seem to be some crooks there, who send lots of fraudulent messages. That's all. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/30/2013 10:23:45 AM   I once saw the statistics in which Lugansk was on top as the city with the most scams. I cannot find those statistics now. I remember noticing that there was not that much difference with Lugansk and the bottom city on the list. It's like saying Lugansk had 5 scams out of 100 so you would avoid it in favor of Nikolaev who had only 4.5 or the bottom city which had only 3. This is just an example. I believe they are all relatively the same. Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/30/2013 11:17:03 PM   There is nothing wrong with Nikolaev. The problems come from guys who expect too much lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/1/2013 3:04:25 AM   I’ve heard it said more than once,,,, Lugansk created the dating scam and Nikolaev perfected it! Sure,, there are good people in every city,,,, but how much time are we spending on “other” people? I’ve met women in some of the cites, that I hadn‘t planed to meet,,,, hotel staff, restaurant, etc,,,, and guess what,,, in one way or another,, they were ALL profiting from foreign men, and the dating scam! I also think a much higher percentage of women are on the dating sites,,, not just 00.2% of the population! The dating sites don’t just have available single women,, they also have married women, women with boyfriends, , escorts, pro daters, pro vacationers, etc! ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/2/2013 1:53:32 PM   I think it is the agencies who started and perpetuated scams. The further you get from an agency, the better. Yet, they are needed by many for introduction. Beyond that, they should be scrutinized. The women are corrupted by the agencies. If the agencies are making money off of them, why don't they get it on it or go out on their own? Making money has then become another goal in FSU dating as opposed to finding a lifetime partner. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/4/2013 10:39:06 PM   danny42: "I think" Sometimes you can tell danny is lying in two words or less!!! WTFisgoingon Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/4/2013 11:19:59 PM   Yeah, seems like 90% scammers and 10% good ladies. Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/6/2013 6:17:59 PM   I don't know about this. I was with some other agencies and surely was scammed. Not for much, maybe a few hundred. Fiance.com has no per letter profit motive. I was here for 6 months talking to women. There was this one beautiful woman who was too young and too beautiful so I never wrote her. One night after a few beers I did write her. I got back the nicest letter I had ever read.. I told her she was too nice to be real but we kept talking. She told me she would answer any questions I had but when I had no more questions I had to come meet her. 6 months later I was in Kharkov. I met her, in the 18 days we were together I meet her family who are wonderful people. We meet one other trip, then when I got home asked her to marry me. She told me she couldn't unless I returned to Kharkov and asked her fathers permission. This time I stayed with her. I had an engagement dinner among her father gave us his blessing. Now if this was a scammer she wouldn't have demanded I make the return trip to ask her dad. She wouldn't have agreed to sign apre nup. She wouldn't have me stay in her apartment... Her parents are quite successful and she has managed to save $9000 when she comes. Old guys do sometimes meet beautiful young women over there, with agencies, and do well. Ps she did have a hard time getting the agency to remove her from their lists but she did it. Pay attention. You will find the woman of your dreams in many ways, but no one way always works best. Armin(Bonddd) Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2013 8:34:41 AM   Tom Shea so have you married her yet or is she still your fiancee? If you have or she is what have you been looking for in Sumy? Another young fiancee? BTW how old are you and your Kharkov Lady? Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2013 11:14:40 PM   The entire process takes nearly a year from application until the woman can come. Its odd a knowledgeable man such as your self would not know that. I went to Sumy several times but did not find who I was looking for. I did meet several nice women and actually Sumy is my favorite town in Ukraine. I'm 54 and she is 38. Its funny watching you people who know it all. Her first husband, a Ukrainian man married her when she was 18 and he was 42. I asked about our age difference and she said it was normal. So now tell me the age difference is to great. The first Russian woman I ever meet was to a friend of my dads. He was 65 and she was 25 that was 12 years ago and they are still married. tonygrinter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/14/2013 4:27:16 PM   Has anyone tried Bridesandlovers.com I was there about 6 months ago, for a small subscription fee chat, mail is all free and exchange info!! Saves much more trouble than a marriage agency con site! I know that they have stacks of new girls each week , unfortunately not all so beautiful(( kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/29/2013 3:36:32 PM   I did for 3 months. There are some real people agree, but they are not as pretty like in Fiancé. I think half those profile are fake. I had almost 900 girls that look at my profile and a lot of MAIL. My replies came back in Russian but most of them went nowhere. My opinion is waste of time and money. I will put my money in learning Russian and use the free dating sites. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/30/2013 2:00:28 PM   I read Elena's ebook of Elena's Models. She said it is common courtesy to learn at least 10 Russian words. Many FSU women will find it offensive that they learn your language and you don't learn theirs. I did more than that. I think I learned 25 words for my first trip. Because the Russian language is so different, I forgot them all except for 2 or 3 when I got there. Yes, the girl found it offensive. That was one of the things that went wrong. I got a 9 hour learn Russian in your car CD. The CD says the words, you repeat it while driving. That too is difficult. I forget many words almost right after I repeat it. Conversationally, I still did not understand. However, I had many compliments how well I knew Russian. 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