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ragingbull

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	Send: 6/17/2013 10:45:21 AM

@durak Let us take your friend out of the equation. Isn't the whole concept of the American dream life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? An American falling in love in the US with someone who is on a visitor's visa, fiance visa or even an illegal would also be entitled to the American dream, wouldn't he? I submit to you that marrying who you want to is part of that American dream. Intents change. The job of USCIS is to see whether or not the marriage was to pursue the American dream of having your the wife of your choice or if it is for adjust your immigration status. I have met people who came on visitors visa and got married and successfully adjusted their status. My first wife was one of them. During the immigration interview, my wife and daughter were in the lobby. The immigration officer did not give us a hard time. He approved it right away without further question when I pointed them out. I also know of an illegal who married a US citizen. Illegals came to the US illegally. USCIS just wanted him to go back to his country and apply properly as a spouse. The process took seven months. I have not heard of someone coming to the US on a fiance visa and ending up marrying someone else. I do not believe they would get denied or deported. It would be more difficult to prove that the marriage is for real or for papers. I think the critical factor is whether or not the marriage is legitimate, not intent.

JohnnyUtah

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	Send: 6/20/2013 7:44:29 PM

You seem to be a smart guy. I don't get why you dwell in her drama. Playing crisis clinic is something her girlfriends can do. If you care about her that much find a way to help her out physically. A starving kid doesn't need a psychiatrist, she needs a piece of bread. If you can't or don't want to offer real help then at least don't spread the drama.

durak

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	Send: 6/22/2013 4:19:15 AM

@Shane: I didn't get the connection between the subject of this thread and Ukraine... @Johnny: My first (and pretty much only) motivation for starting this thread, was to offer a real-life example of a Russian woman seeking a husband in the west. I wanted to do so, because of my impression that some of the men have simplistic ideas about the women -- in essence, that women from the former Soviet Union belong to this or that category. Or (and it's really the same thing) some men believe that if a woman does some particular action, that proves she's a scammer. Sorting people into "types" doesn't make sense to me, and doesn't accord with my experience of human nature. It seems to me that a person can be lots of different things at the same time. And in many cases where a man on this forum posted "she did X therefore she is a scammer," it seemed to me that under some circumstances, a sincere woman might do just the same thing. It's the difference between black-and-white, versus shades of gray. My friend really wants the American Dream, and has been impressively purposeful and (almost) single-minded in its pursuit. At the same time, she wants a good-looking fellow to fall in love with, and to love and care for her and her child. To any reader of this thread who has found my recounting distasteful -- why not read something else instead?

ragingbull

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	Send: 6/22/2013 11:06:00 AM

Durak. You were gone for a while. I thought you might have gotten married. "Sorting people into "types" doesn't make sense to me, and doesn't accord with my experience of human nature. It seems to me that a person can be lots of different things at the same time. And in many cases where a man on this forum posted "she did X therefore she is a scammer," it seemed to me that under some circumstances, a sincere woman might do just the same thing." That is worth noting. He's dead now, but I remember knowing someone who matched people who were already in the US in order for them to stay in the US. Most of the people he matched had a visitors visa, some illegal. It didn't matter if they were already married. He would take them to Nevada where it takes six weeks for a divorce. He encouraged real marriages. It it wasn't, he did not want to know about it.

durak

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	Send: 6/26/2013 3:05:29 AM

For those interested in the situation of my young Russian friend, she and her little daughter are now safely back in Russia, in her parents' home. More than one gentleman active in this forum sent me personal messages offering practical assistance for her. She was able to manage with resources already available to her -- still, it was heartening for me to see the willingness of some of the men to step up.

ragingbull

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	Send: 6/27/2013 10:11:43 AM

Sounds very convenient: A Ukrainian woman and you do not have to go to Ukraine. When a Russian woman needed surgery no one from the forum stepped up. Sounds like quid pro quo, but it's probably just me.

Rick4girl

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	Send: 7/5/2013 2:45:52 PM

some of the real gentlemen here probably would step up for a real and genuine need, rb. unfortunately, most posting here are 2 people posing as several people who has the single purpose of causing trouble. 9 of the "new offshhoot" profiles that closely resemble known names to comment in the past 3 months, they share only 2 IP addresses. there are only 7 IP addresses posting here recently, 5 belong to real people and the other 2 belong to trouble makers posting under multiple screen names.

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