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Shine_bright

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	Send: 1/16/2014 10:44:57 AM

let us all continue to search for “good” girls from bad agencies??? I can't understand why you are so sarcastic about my words. Are you looking for a woman to become your wife or for an agency who will supply you with fresh serious women each time when you wish it? Once again I am telling you that there are no sites with 100% serious women the same as there are no sites with 100% scammers. You may use some advices and first of all common sense while searching for a FSU woman but it is not a matter of site. Since the general age of foreign men on such sites is from 40 to 65 years old, the best advice is to look for someone closer to the man's age. I would recommend not to look at women under 30 years old. I won't say that women under this age are all scammers. For sure not as there are girls who wish to find their man abroad even in such age but still the highest percentage of Happy ends is with women from 35 to 50 years old.

ragingbull

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	Send: 1/16/2014 12:44:44 PM

"search for “good” girls from bad agencies" I think that is possible. Shine Bright, in all of the agencies in Ukraine, what percentage do you think DO NOT pay their girls? Please keep in mind that this requires a one word answer.

Shine_bright

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	Send: 1/16/2014 3:17:29 PM

50%. They are women who don't sit in chat rooms. Please, keep in mind that here I am talking about women and not girls. Have you noticed that in my posts I am talking about women and in all your posts you talk abotu girls. Doesn't it reflect your attitude and criteria of your search?:)

ragingbull

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	Send: 1/16/2014 7:51:52 PM

No it doesn't. Words are one thing. Attitude is another. Whatever age they are, I want someone young at heart.

lonelyranger1701

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	Send: 1/17/2014 1:58:58 AM

Why am I so sarcastic?? I have a low tolerance for BS and disinformation. S-B: “If you gave a girl from a poor country a choice between two agencies” “1. The country is not as poor as you imagine. “ “Yes, Ukraine is a poor country taking into consideration the world's economy but everything depends on a person and on his/her own dignity.” ---------- “You just have to be careful when you chose women. Fake agencies have only model looking beautiful young clients and real agencies have more women over 30, often with children.” “How can you know the name of the local agency the lady belongs to if you correspond with her through the site?“ How can you know the name??? Well then,,, how can you know if they are honest or fake??? When you go to a website,,, you don’t get to choose which agency,,,, or the ones without “beautiful young clients”! You only get to pick personal stats,,, age weight, height, city, etc,,, not pretty, plain, or ugly,,, honest or dishonest. When you search in a particular city,,, you could be viewing women from dozens of agencies. And,,, yes you can find out the name of her agency. I knew the name of 5 of the 6 different agencies that I met women from, before I got on the plane! Yeah,,, 6, 9, 12 months too late. “But any respectable agency who cares about its reputation won't take such girl as a client.” I’ve NEVER heard of an agency, declining a girl/woman because of a lack of scruples!!! NEVER,,, but I have heard of agencies not wanting to let a woman go, after she becomes engaged or married! Getting one of their clients married SHOULD be the best advertisement,,,, so why do they fight with the couple when it’s time to remove her photos,,,, or his photos??? Keeping her profile so it will bring in more letters and more money is the main goal!! Rb: “Shine Bright, in all of the agencies in Ukraine, what percentage do you think DO NOT pay their girls? Please keep in mind that this requires a one word answer.” S-B: “50%” “Please, keep in mind that here I am talking about women and not girls.” 50% of agencies or girls/women?? On AOB,,, there are 7,800 women ages 18 to 30 and 7,200 ages 31 and up!! Making a rough comparison,,,, if 50% are bad agencies,,,, and only women are serious,,,,, then over 75% are not serious?? We do over use the word “girl” too much. I only know of one guy who is actually searching for “girls”,,,, the rest of us ARE searching for women! I think the reason for using the word “girl” is because of “girlfriend” or “my girl”. To say: “My woman” is considered to be demeaning or degrading. “Once again I am telling you that there are no sites with 100% serious women the same as there are no sites with 100% scammers.” I don’t EVER recall anyone demanding a 100% honest site or agency! It’s not possible,,, I have said so myself many times,,,, but how about a site and agency that at least tries???? “Are you looking for a woman to become your wife or for an agency who will supply you with fresh serious women each time when you wish it?” I’m looking for a place where I can have a chance,,, a fair chance, or as they say: a level playing field!!! A place where I won’t discover afterwards, that a girl/woman lied about having a child, lied about an STD, lied about the number of men she is/was writing to,, and how many she met,, or how many trips she went on with them,,,, or how well she speaks English. A place where the girl might actually know something about me after months of correspondence,,,, like my NAME,, age, brothers and sister,,,, what I do for a living,, etc, etc!! A place and agency that doesn’t fabricate the letters on the girl’s behalf?!! Are you starting to get a clue as to why an HONEST agency is desired??? “Here you just have to be able to sort the wheat from the chaff.” I will NO LONGER sort for wheat in a bin filled with nothing but chaff!! The “status-quo” keeps men wasting their time and money!

Shine_bright

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	Send: 1/17/2014 4:19:02 AM

Loneleyranger. What are we talking abotu now if you think that your search only wastes your time and money? The only thing you are trying to do now is to find out discrepancies in my words. I am sorry but it is called paranoia. I don't owe you anything. I have answered your questions and it's up to you whether to believe it or not. Oh, and by the way "“If you gave a girl from a poor country a choice between two agencies”" was not my phrase. It was a quote of Ragingbull's question that I answered saying that everything is not as bad as you imagine here. 50% of women. Anyway, what is the sense to debate now if anyway you have already lost your trust and no matter what I say here, you will always look for a trick or lies in my words. I don't see any sense to talk in such manner.

ragingbull

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	Send: 1/17/2014 12:01:47 PM

Shine Bright, I asked about agencies and you responded with women. Does this mean that agencies who don't pay their women also do not have chat rooms? Isn't this 50% too much? How can an agency or the subsequent website that hires the agency advertise a serious woman for marriage when she has been paid? Is it the money she is after or is it the man?

MagicLove

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	Send: 1/17/2014 4:44:22 PM

I can see that you have not even collected your facts right I'm sorry, it's just a imply mistake, slip of the tongue. I was writing about the problem and it's when we have much more women than men. Statistic is good thing, and if you know, you see every day how many ladies are alone... And especially after 35 and 40. Lack of men. To get marry in Ukraine for our woman is a big luck, that has something common with a fairy-tale. Why? Most of men who are good ones, they are married, thier wives are afraid to loose them and stay alone... so they are trying to do all the best to save a family. Other men are divorced, if he is a good man he gets marry fast again, if he is not - ladies hink that it's better to alone.

stevc

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	Send: 1/18/2014 12:24:32 AM

HI guys long time have a few minutes was reading posts. why does shine bright not give you 2 names of what is thought of as honest agencies. Keep it simple, and straight to the point.

Shine_bright

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	Send: 1/18/2014 4:20:19 AM

Ragingbull, I am sorry but what you are talking about now is called paranoia. You are trying to find something that doesn't exist in my words. I am here not to prove you something. I Just answer questions and it's your right whether to believe it or not. I don't pretend all agencies and girls to be good but at the asme time the percentage of fake male profiles is much highter. Does that mean that all women should be paranoic about it and stop searching for their men abroad? What do you mean asking how an agency advertise a serious woman for marriagewhen she is paid? It seems to me that you got yourself confused trying to find in my words something that I didn't mean. I won't fall into debates.

MagicLove

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	Send: 1/18/2014 5:53:13 PM

ragingbull, may I ask you why you need these names of local agencies? Do you want to contact them and find out if they are 100% honest? I guess you know that most of such agencies have no a website with ladies' profiles. So even Shine_bright tells you several names that could be be just names - just words, without any certain name of the site.

lonelyranger1701

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	Send: 1/18/2014 6:35:53 PM

Notice how the locals now need to ridicule anyone who disagrees with them. Paranoia?,,, 100% honest?? Who has asked for a 100% honest agency?? S-B M-L Don’t worry about giving us the name of an “””honest agency””” it’s a trick question!!! There is no such thing as an honest agency!!!! Honest Agency: Oxymoron expression with contradictory words: a phrase in which two words of contradictory meaning are used together for special effect, e.g. "wise fool" or "legal murder"

Shine_bright

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	Send: 1/18/2014 7:42:43 PM

Don't see any sense of debating now wth a person who is initially aiming to see only negative sides and who judges abotu the whole system just basing on some sad experiences of several men without talking into consideration those ones who succeeded to find their halves in this sphere. I have come here not to fall into debates and I will not respond to any aggressive posts. Sorry.

ozjohn

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	Send: 1/18/2014 8:40:52 PM

HI Shine Bright Do you think that the agencies should bring in a set of guide line rules for their women clients? rule 1 : no women can be in communication of 3 men and over until she is finish with the first 3. and maybe her profile should show that she has 3 men talking to her. rule 2 : if it fails with that women with in the first 2 weeks then the men should get back half he's money so he can move on to a new lady. the women should know by the first 2 if she is really interested in going on with him. this rule could be look into a bit more. See the problem is Shine Bright is that many men are spending a small fortune on these sites. the women has nothing to lose in money or plane tickets meet up. maybe the agencies need to have strong rules. so men would be more confident to try.

ragingbull

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	Send: 1/18/2014 9:23:52 PM

Magic Love, I have not asked of any names of any agencies. You have me mistaken with someone else. Shine Bright, look at the meaning of paranoia. "a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system." Who do you think I think I am being persecuted by? Who am I jealous against? Exaggerated self importance? Because I want someone young at heart? Paranoia because I am against lies? If men have fake profiles, I am against that too. As for now, you advertise yourself as a representative of agencies. This is false advertising. When you pay women, you will have women who will be in it for the money and not for a man. This practice must stop if your business is to have credibility.

stevc

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	Send: 1/19/2014 12:13:15 AM

OK how about a couple reasonable agency names then. I remember my run around in Ukraine. I ended up meeting my wife by total accident. Agencies did nothing for me. In fact the marriage agency circuit is a complete rip off.

MagicLove

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	Send: 1/19/2014 2:28:37 PM

lonelyranger1701, in such bussiness you can be sure only in yourself. So, as for me, I can tell you the name only of one local agency. It's not a problem for me at all. I do all my best to work that way so I'm not ashamed saying my name. But I decided to come here not for that. I know many men who start writing, who came to visit ladies who NEVER be with them... They just waste their time and money. You know why? Coz dishonest ladies (or their agencies) tell them the lie (that age difference of 25 years, dear, it's ok for me, no problem. that she almost loves you even she never met you - makes you to believe that any young lady will be with a good man 50+ from a middle class... And most of such men HOPE!!! They trust such ladies... And even if it didn't work with the 1st lady, they come back home and feel very lonely (or maybe they still hope).. but just stop and think for a minute! If these men have more realistic expectations, more real desires, they could meet a very nice lady who will make him happy and suround with warmth and care. That is my point - confess to yourself, WHY u came to the site. Just have a fun, spend the money for much younger ladies who NEVER be with you (or maybe they will, but until you have the money). What do men do then? they continue writing only such young ladies with a model appearance) and the story repeats again. That's a reason of MOST failures. I do not want anyone of you is mistaken in ladies' intentiones and promises! And I do want those ladies who really want to meet such a man like you are could have this opportunity! Just give the chances to yourself and to ladies to become happy with That is why you are welcome to ask any questions or advices.

stevc

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	Send: 1/20/2014 10:08:34 PM

Magiclove and shine bright. You dance quite nicely. Lonely ranger and i have asked a very simple question. The names of 2 honest dating agencies. I have found my wife. It was not through dating agencies. I did meet her in Kiev. We skype for almost 6 months almost everyday before we met. She is not from Ukraine. She is Russian, She even says Russian people have to be careful in Ukraine. I can see you like to write,we all see this. Please quit avoiding the question and tell us. What are the names of these honest and straight forward agencies. Right now you are just proving our point. Prove us wrong

lonelyranger1701

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	Send: 1/21/2014 1:36:47 AM

ML,,, I do not require, nor do I desire any advice from you. But you sure could learn from us!! STOP paying the girls!!! It only gives them an incentive to commit FRAUD!!! The purpose of joining an agency should be to find a man,,, not to earn spending cash. STOP the intro spam letters! It is not “match making” it is FRAUD!!! Make the women write a PERSONAL to each man, each time!! STOP your interpreters from lying for the girls,,, when we pay their fees, the interp should be working for us and not the other way around. If the girl is meeting with another man,,, or has left town,,, do not say that she is sick,,, or too busy with work. Tell the truth!! Do not turn the girls against a guy, who does not want to rent your apartments,,,,, I’ve stayed at the flat from hell before,,,, and never again!!! Do not write/fabricate the letters for the girls,,, it would be nice if the girl knew a few things about me after months of letter writing!! If YOU have any questions,,, please feel free to ask!!!

lonelyranger1701

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	Send: 1/21/2014 2:31:54 AM

Stevc,,,, I remember your,,, “encounters” with the agencies,, and just think,,, the agencies want you to believe, that you did everything wrong!!!! So,,,, how is your wife, the woman that you met on your own???? If I had to sum up all of the problems I had, while in Ukraine with one word,,, it would be “AGENCY”!!

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