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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Plan E - Update - Updated Author Post Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2015 8:20:28 PM   O_P_P Ive seen this many times. girls borrow moneny the "lender'/manager/pimp knows they cant pay back and in order to pay it back they pretty much have to sell themselves into sexual slavery. By the time its all said and done they are getting about 20% of what they make and MAYBE 20% going towards their debt. There are so many "fees" that its nearly impossible to get out of the situation. Ive bought out a couple girls in these situations and one of these was not a pretty event...for them, as they made the mistake of trying to rip me off. Lucky me, I have well armed militia friends in odessa. Azov :) With so many good girls available you need to ask yourself if she is worth all the time, effort and MONEY??? Chances are, a girl in this situation will easily fall back into that trap. Plus, in order to get her free involves relocating her and hiding her from them. I know you probably love her but dude, you may well get in over your head here for a girl. And there is the personal risk to your health to consider if you rock the boat. Yes, she may have been forced into this but you also need to remember that by the time you see her again she will have been with more than 100 other guys. PM me if you want to discus further as I do not want to go too deep in this realm in public forum. I rescue girls from this and dont like to advertise that. i value my health too. MartinPC Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2015 8:59:40 PM   Rick, OPP etc. The bar/club pays for their round trip travel to, in this instance, Turkey for, probably, a 6 month contract ... That's one round trip and for 6 months the girls work pretty much 7 nights a week sleeping in accommodation provided by the bar/club ... That is it, they arrive in Turkey and spend the next 6 months there until their return trip back to, in this instance, Ukraine. They don't get tricked by offers of "modelling", that's a weak excuse either by her or her family or both, there are agencies recruiting these girls and these girls know exactly what position they are applying for. If a man goes in to one of these clubs he can sit at the bar with a beer watching the strip show minding his own business, sure the beer is overpriced but then he's getting a show that the girls don't earn any money from. The girls earn money by going to sit with the men, they get a commission for every overpriced drink the men buy them, she might lap dance, play with him etc. but the real money is earned when the girl goes to a private room with the man or even out of the bar/club altogether. So as sure as eggs are eggs she is not in Turkey merely dancing/stripping because she wouldn't be earning any money for that and if she's back and forth to Ukraine then she's certainly leading the lifestyle of a self-employed person. Rick, if she's to pay off a debt to a pimp do you think that pimp is going to let her escape with trip(s) back to Ukraine? Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2015 10:12:56 PM   no martin. if she is abroad, she is in worse position than those working in Ukraine paying off "debts" in Odesa. Pimps keep their passports. there is no money sitting with men. the only money comes from sex, 2 or 3 times a day MartinPC Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2015 10:28:36 PM   Rick, There is earnings from drinks, when one is supposedly buying them champagne at an extortionate price it is actually cheap sparkling wine ... I can't remember the percentage the girls in the Luxembourg bars earned from drinks but it was reasonable. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2015 2:07:02 AM   The subject here is prostitution which a few are talking about, including TomZ. According to TomZ, if you discuss prostitution, that's what you're into. "One could infer that if you discussed prostitutes with your driver then that's what you're into." I don't feel that way, but TomZ does. He is not my spokesman, nor is he anyone else's spokesman except himself. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2015 2:38:18 AM   From the story thatТs been told here,, I would agree that she is hooking full or part time. But,,, we donТt really know yet, whether she is a victim or a career prostitute? It would help to know the reason for departing when you did?? Was the date set well in advance,,,, or was the timing of her choosing?? If the date was set in advance,,, and she left for Turkey just days later,,, then I would say she left voluntary, but if she encouraged you to leave,,,, then she had a schedule. There is another angle here, that no one has addressed yet,, and thatТs if it could all be a lie?! Maybe sheТs not stripping and hooking in Turkey,,, maybe she went with her local boyfriend,,, or her next foreign boyfriend,,, OPPТs replacement?? She gets a free vacation,,,, and perhaps OPPТs sympathy rescue money? If her and her family are going to tell some sob story,,, it might as well be a big one. Either way,,, she is not marriage material. Run! DonТt walk!! dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2015 3:04:21 AM   "What's wrong with strip dancing? Guys you all are just snobs!" A few of the ladies who I have written to are willing to dance for me. They say it keeps them in shape. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2015 3:16:27 AM   Martin: УThey don't get tricked by offers of "modeling", that's a weak excuse either by her or her family or both, there are agencies recruiting these girls and these girls know exactly what position they are applying for.Ф Exactly!! Those agencies are some of the same ones that our beloved sweet FSU agency girls are using too! When I was in a spot,,, not too far from OPPТs,,, I spent hours each night searching modeling, escort, massage websites,,, looking for any trace of my Nx. I never found her on any of them,, but I spotted plenty of other women from the dating websites. I was also able to track down websites and the internet domains or whatever of two dating/escort/model/massage websites. One was in Kyiv and another was in Kherson. These were some of the original dating agencies,,, that went online first. I also have a story about a girl that I wrote to,, but never met. She was a very pretty natural redhead,, and she claimed to be a model and a manager. I found her online myself,,, and Yes,,, indeed,,, she was a model. A peep show model! Guys were to bring their own camera,,, no experience necessary. The girls could model in costumes,, or nude. Did I mention that she was a natural redhead?? Before finding her website,,, she claimed to have received a job offer,,,, Уthat she could not refuseУ. This girl has completely dropped off the face of the Earth!! She was too pretty to not continue to have her photos online somewhere. IТve imagined that she received a job offer from some Arab or something,,, a prized possession. MartinPC Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2015 6:15:43 AM   OPP, See if you might find your girl by googling "odessa escort agency" Our_Poetic_Prince Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2015 7:32:36 AM   Gents, On my end I've reached a resolution. I don't know the turn around on messages and the delay in them being live. My girl didn't want to tell me about Turkey because everyone thinks a Ukraine girl going to Turkey is a prostitute. I can understand that. This forum proves that to the nth degree. I have enough personal information to believe everything offered. q Previously, I researched her thoroughly before meeting, google image searching some 83 images I had. The only reason I never found Instagram is that if it's a private account then you have to get lucky and find the profile pic through a 3rd party API viewer like Lakako. Stripping/dancing - it would take too long to explain. She has sent me videos of her dancing at Rixos Sungate today. Topless or lingerie, boots, backing up for Black Star Mafia, whoever they are. I have no issues. It's sexy dancing. Prostitution - If I start believing that every attractive young Ukrainian woman sells her body for money then I have no purpose in searching for a wife there. Not one person offered another possibility other than prostitution. I never even mentioned it. I asked about another boyfriend, dancing in Turkey and a PI. You all took it to a level that is full of anxiety and hysteria. This forum took it to fucking 100 guys, taking it up the ass at will and playing foreigners in the interim. I won't be back. I'll pursue this relationship. OPP TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2015 8:59:16 AM   Sad. You're in denial. In the end you'll see we were right. The fact that she lied to you and didn't tell you she was going to Turkey and that she tried to hide it. Even if she's not 'tuting she's clearly not being faithful to your 'relationship' or whatever relationship you think you have. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2015 9:14:19 AM   You don't think guys hit on her in the club? You don't think they have private rooms for you know what? Ask her if you can come to Turkey. Ask her if you can come to the club. You don't necessarily need to go but just see what her reaction is. MartinPC Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2015 9:26:39 AM   "This forum took it to fucking 100 guys" No this forum didn't, as much as it may shame me :) to agree with TomZ ... OPP, you are making up excuses not to listen to umpteen independent and uncoordinated opinions on this forum and you are most certainly living in denial. "If I start believing that every attractive young Ukrainian woman sells her body for money" So if you were poor and penniless and living on the street she'd still be sending you videos of her erotic dancing would she? WAKE UP MAN :) P.S. Don't bother waking up, you're a lost cause! TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2015 10:15:28 AM   "Her boyfriend I saw on her posts is the manager," Her boyfriend? She has a boyfriend and you are still going to pursue her? Are you silly man? That's her pimp and you're the fool from Australia. MartinPC Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2015 10:20:46 AM   TomZ, You ass ... Why didn't you explain earlier that OPP is from Australia ... I wouldn't have bothered wasting my breath on him ... Of all the Australians to visit this forum the majority of them are lost causes. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2015 10:21:05 AM   At the bare minimum this boyfriend of hers is fucking her. Maybe you're OK with that because you don't have any possibility like that in Australia. For me that would be a deal breaker. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/9/2015 2:12:26 PM   LR: "There is another angle here, that no one has addressed yet,, and that's if it could all be a lie?! Maybe she's not stripping and hooking in Turkey,,, maybe she went with her local boyfriend,,, or her next foreign boyfriend,,, OPPТs replacement?? She gets a free vacation,,,, and perhaps OPPТs sympathy rescue money? If her and her family are going to tell some sob story,,, it might as well be a big one. Either way,,, she is not marriage material." OPP: "Not one person offered another possibility other than prostitution." OPP,,,, if that's the kind of girl that you want,,, then why waste our time??? dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2015 12:31:34 AM   Many of the profiles on the dating sites are looking for a man with a positive mood and a sense of humor. I guess if they come to this forum, they may not find that. I had corresponded with a local guy in Odessa who acts as a tour guide, driving companion, translation expert, all purpose travel source. He also would consider doing dating detective work if you want. Not sure what are his rates, but I cannot give an opinion of how good he is at that. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2015 5:03:15 AM   OPP,,,, play this the next time you are with her! The Police-Roxanne You don't have to put on the red light Those days are over You don't have to sell your body to the night Roxanne You don't have to wear that dress tonight Walk the streets for money You don't care if it's wrong or if it's right Roxanne You don't have to put on the red light I loved you since I knew you I wouldn't talk down to you I have to tell you just how I feel I won't share you with another boy I know my mind is made up So put away your make up Told you once I won't tell you again It's a bad way Roxanne You don't have to put on the red light Roxanne You don't have to put on the red light Вначале было желание. Потом страсть. Потом подозрение. Ревность! Гнев! Предательство! Там, где любовь продается на торгах, нет места доверию. А без доверия не может быть и настоящей любви! Ревность. Да, именно ревность... Сведет тебя с ума! Роксана Тебе ни к чему этот красный цвет Ты гуляешь по улицам В поисках денег И тебе наплевать, Правильно это или нет Роксана Тебе не стоило одевать Это платье сегодня вечером Роксана Ты не должна была продовать Свое тело сумраку ночи... lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/10/2015 5:26:42 AM   Вначале было желание. Потом страсть. Потом подозрение. Ревность! Гнев! Предательство! Там, где любовь продается на торгах, нет места доверию. А без доверия не может быть и настоящей любви! Ревность. Да, именно ревность... Сведет тебя с ума! Роксана Тебе ни к чему этот красный цвет Ты гуляешь по улицам В поисках денег И тебе наплевать, Правильно это или нет Роксана Тебе не стоило одевать Это платье сегодня вечером Роксана Ты не должна была продовать Свое тело сумраку ночи... Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Plan E - Update - Updated
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