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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > http://www ukraina-ladies com/ Author Post dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/1/2015 7:32:51 PM   "The changed part was about who you can contact." This summarizes the status and who you can contact on the site. Free- Cannot read or write messages. You can only look over profiles and do searches (but not specifically for independent ladies). You will not see the number of messages sent to the lady since she was registered. Premium - Can read all messages. Can write to independent ladies for no extra charge. Messages to agency ladies are $8 each. VIP - Can read all messages. Can write to all ladies for no extra charge. For all the paid memberships, there is a $1 per minute charge for video chat. There is a bigger discount for gift cost if you are a VIP member. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/1/2015 7:49:07 PM   Forgot to add that video chat to independent ladies are at no extra charge. Video chat to agency ladies are always $1 per minute. kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/1/2015 8:14:31 PM   ""More generally, the Pareto Principle is the observation (not law) that most things in life are not distributed evenly. What does it mean when we say “things aren’t distributed evenly”? The key point is that each unit of work (or time) doesn’t contribute the same amount. In economics terms, there is diminishing marginal benefit. " Bro! You need to land asap and smell the roses or the 80% of bsing happening on the ground. My point was on the FSU dating dilemma. Genuine candidates have a set of standards and principles plus a lot of other things that will determine a sincere and honorable compromise. IMO 80% will not have the standards and principles you seek. However, 20% will have a sincere and honorable motivation to seek a soulmate. The reality of a local lady versus a long distance relationship is, as the latest, 100% unavailable. Maybe I am exaggerating a bit but FaceTime or Skype doesn't work like romantic relationships are meant to be. Remember people are heavily guarding their hearts and minds until they know what is coming. moyarishka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/5/2015 2:21:18 PM   "I have also given it out on monthly fee sites (like this one), but have never received any messages." That means you didn't find any genuine girls :) you were not lucky. dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/6/2015 1:37:14 AM   "That means you didn't find any genuine girls :) you were not lucky." I have always said that luck and chance play a big part in online dating. Who is to say that my "ideal match" was online twenty years ago (when the Internet was just starting to expand in use) and I was still offline? If the ladies that I have come across here are really not serious, then I consider it a "good omen" that they have decided to be silent and saved me the trouble of seriously considering them. Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/6/2015 9:42:02 PM   when it comes to fiance.com, it really IS a numbers game. It can quickly get confusing and overwhelming if you do it correctly. Why? because if you really dive in this site head first and take advantage of VIP, you will get more responses than you can handle. you absolutely must be willing to deal with it from a rational frame of mind and know who to drop and who to converse with until you also drop them. If you are aggressive, send out 500 properly worded introductions, you will quickly find 200 messages in your inbox. To get those 500 you want to send takes much time! This brings me to an important question. Are you willing to put in the time and of course, money to do this? even if you are limited in your search, the possibility exists that you will still get many profiles. Lets say you just now start and you want success from fiance.com You make your profile and if you ARE SMART, you search for ladies at a MAXIMUM of 15 years difference(when I say trust me on this, you absolutely should because Ive been there done that on extreme age differences, it NEVER works out). You should cast a very large net within your realistic search parameters. Why? because within a month you should be down to 25% of what you start with. If you post an honest profile and make initial contact with 500 ladies, less than half, or about 200 will respond with a real inquiry. within 2 or 3 rounds of conversations, REALISTICALLY, you will quickly be down to 50. If you continue to be rational and realistic, within a month you will be down to about 20-25. Unfortunately, at this point you will have needed to spend several hours a day, every day. THIS IS NOT SOME EASY MAGIC PROCESS!!! It takes an investment of time and that is even before the investment of money above the cost of membership. At this point you will have 20-25 potential ladies that might be worth visiting. From here you are going to request personal contact. those who refuse, drop them. Suddenly you are down to about 10!!! From here it is anyone's guess. It is up to you to have good conversations and try to find out more about this l;ady and see if she is worth the further investment of time and money and going to see her. I know this post is rather generic but it represents the typical scenario of a committed wife seeker in FSU countries. male no mistake here guys. This is not an adventure for the casual dater. It will involve a significant investment of both time and money and I havent even covered what happens when you mill it down to 5 or 6 you want to meet and finally come to FSU country! Even having the same girl now at just over a year, found the normal way without an agency, I would STILL say that unless you are willing to relocate for 6 weeks or more at a time to find girls the normal way, this site and those with a similar structure offer you the only real opportunity to try this game affordability and without many of the ripoffs by PPL agencies. fiance.com is legit and Im not getting anything for saying this. Ive just met a handful of really cool girls that I just didnt happen to mesh with. A couple of those I still hang out with when possible. Im not an agency fan but if you are going to do it this way, this site is better than most dcguy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/7/2015 2:00:48 AM   Here is a recent complaint about a Katya located in Zaporozhye who appears to have been engaged to multiple men. Pro-dater or just dating multiple men to choose the best one? So is she "using" the men or just trying to narrow down her choices? When multiple men start to date you at the same time and some get to the point of proposing, are you obligated to let them know about the other lovers? This is not necessarily only is seen in FSU, but anywhere. So meeting face to face can turn out to be a losing proposition just like PPL, pay chat, gifts, etc. "She is masterful at justifying her actions as well and has an excuse for everything. Make no mistake she is a smart, cunning individual. It is a pity because she really has some wonderful qualities and I'm sure she makes an outstanding friend. Just an abhorrent marriage prospect." http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Kattie-Katya-Bondar//Kattie-Ka tya-Bondar-Professional-Dating-Scammer-Internet-1243947 kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/8/2015 1:40:11 AM   Out of all the ladies I met only one ask for money, gifts and some other things she felt entitled to, at the beginning of our relationship. I regret letting it happened....Well, as I had said before, I didn't end well for her once she realized I was for real and not a sex tourist. With so much ups & downs, drama and poor judgment is was better to let go. Ladies you will take advantage of you, are not interested in you. Happens to anyone based on the circumstances of that particular moment. In reality nobody wants to look like a retard. But if want to go full retard and believe her bullshizer then knock yourself out. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/8/2015 2:09:22 AM   From Dc's link above,, and I only read a small part of it. Perhaps this is one of TomZ's girls,,,, the one that got him big time. "Then, we arrived at said restaurant, and the next weird thing I noticed, is that she didn't let me see the menu, even though I asked for it. She told me that the menus in that restaurant were only written in Ukrainian, and they didn't have a menu written in English for that matter. She asked me what kind of meal I wanted to eat, and I mentioned her some traditional Ukrainian dishes. Next, after finishing our respective dishes, the waitress handed me the bill. To my surprise, it was an outrageously expensive bill (around 1,600 hrivnas) just for a regular, non fancy lunch for 2 people. At that moment, I realized something was definitely going wrong. Of course, she told me that that was the regular prices in Ukraine, but I knew it was complete bollocks and pure nonsense. After that event, we got on the car and she left me in the apartment she rented for me, but prior to that, she told me to give her another 1,600 hrivnas for the ride from the Dnipropetrovsk airport to Zaporizhye, and an additional sum of 480 dollars for the apartment rental. At that moment I knew, deep down, that all those prices were inflated, something that I could corroborate later on that same day. Finally, when I was in the apartment, and before she left, I told her to give me the keys, to what she told me that it would be better if she kept the keys with herself, because she wanted to "take care of me". I insist her to give me the keys, and finally I told her to give me at least a duplicate of those keys. In addition, she told me to go out on that night, to what I said that I would let her know about it. But the thing is, she appeared at the apartment at around 7:30 pm, with her sister, even though she never mentioned that she was going to bring her sister that night. Then, she told me again, that I had to pay "only" 1,800 hrivnas for the disco and all the consumption there, and it was when "the s**t hit the fan" so to speak. I was utterly convinced at that very moment, that she had been pulling my leg since the beginning, and that everything was a filthy scam. Of course, I didn't let her know about my finding, but I was sure as hell that everything was amiss from the get go. I chose not to go out with her that night, and in revenge, this "lady" told me to give her another 800 hrivnas just because I had made her come into the apartment that night, without the intention of going out with her and her sister. In other words, she was "punishing" me for deciding not to go out with them that night. Pretty ridiculous, don't you think?" moyarishka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/8/2015 2:37:05 PM   Katya from Zaporozhye sounds like John from New York :) Juffles Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/9/2015 9:47:53 AM   I'm more concerned about Staniyaroslava from Pervo-Maisk. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/9/2015 4:47:31 PM   "To my surprise, it was an outrageously expensive bill (around 1,600 hrivnas) just for a regular, non fancy lunch for 2 people." And looney said there were no pro-dater menus. Now do you believe looney tunes? lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/9/2015 10:23:11 PM   TomZ,,,, does being a Dunt take a lot of effort,,, or does it happen naturally?? I do not recall ever saying, that there was no such thing as a “pro dater” menu,, or a “western” menu like you had called it in the past. But I do remember having said, that I have never seen one!! I write to the women longer than most,,,,, the impatient ones get weeded out. I experienced the Lughansk taxi scam for 4 days,,,, I was giving the choice of going to her hometown each day, or paying the fee,,, I paid the fee. I knew it was too much before checking it out,,, and then I discovered that a bus left for her hometown every 30 to 40 minutes for 6.95usd. Any large amounts of money spent over there has been voluntary. I’m more upset about the wasted time. Restaurants over there are cheap,,,,, the better/fancier ones don’t cost more than a Denny’s here. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2015 2:15:10 AM   I don't have time to dig up your dunt posts but you questioned if they existed. You asked if anyone had ever seen them. Well, I have, but only once. I wish I had snapped a photo and plastered it all over the internet. That's what I'd do next time. It doesn't take much to make a pro-dater menu or western menu as you call it. Just print out a page or two and slide it in the menu book, replacing the old prices. The restaurant of course is working with the scammer girl. She gets 10-20% of the total bill. In this case, he was not allowed to see the menu. The amount was just tacked onto the bill and he paid it. I would have asked for a line by line breakdown of the bill and if refused I would have made a fuss. This is why I tell guys to set the agenda. Don't let her arrange anything - airport transfer, apartment, taxi, restaurant, ANYTHING. You've got to be the one in control not her. Most pro-daters kick at this because they can't profit. Guys go along with their scheme because they think there's a possibility of having her, but in the end they will go alone home and broke because a pro-dater is not interested in a relationship. She probably already has one with a local boy. This is just her "business". TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2015 5:38:48 AM   "I was giving the choice of going to her hometown each day, or paying the fee,," You were tricked. They knew that you wouldn't want to go to her 'town'. She probably lived in Lugansk. The same taxi scams occur here in Kyiv. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2015 8:12:08 AM   I had a similar scam tried on me here in Kiev. She claimed to live in Bucha and asked money for taxi. I checked the email headers in her email and her ip was Kiev. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2015 12:50:06 AM   TomZ: “I don't have time to dig up your dunt posts but you questioned if they existed.” NO,,,, I asked if anyone else had ever seen them,,,, if anyone else fell for it?? You are the only one! TomZ: “You were tricked.” No,,,, if I had done, what I had done after believing their story, or from not knowing better,, then I would have been tricked. I knew better,, I just didn’t give any resistance. I had to factor in several things,,, the hour plus ride each way to her hometown,,, probably paying the interp 12usd an hour just to ride along,, maybe the girl wouldn’t show up,, or would be late. I had a long trip filled with plenty of problems. I had to extend the trip by 4 days,, so I really wanted to meet this girl, I wasn’t about to quibble over taxi money. Staying in her hometown wasn’t really an option either,,, it was the size of Green Bay,,, but only had two hotels listed online, neither had internet. I also remember reading about the one well in town with drinkable water. I would have liked to see her hometown once,,, but only once. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2015 3:22:42 AM   How did you verify her story that she lived in another town? Did you personally go there and see her apartment? NO you didn't. "the hour plus ride each way to her hometown" You were being played. Don't you get it? She lived in Lugansk not some other town. If you had said yes, you want to visit her 'town' they would have come up with some excuse. If they lie in the little things then they'll lie in the big things. Integrity is important. She was working with the agency to milk as much money out of you as possible. TomZ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2015 3:50:15 AM   You got a thick skull looney. I'm telling you she never lived in that town! And if she did a genuine and sincere girl would never ask for taxi money. She would have taken the bus. Believe me I have met genuine and sincere so I know the difference. Timooshka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2015 5:50:51 AM   Can the girls from this site read these blogs? Probably not...It may be too enlightening for them?..lol...I have figured out the game and scams...Actually, I believe there are a much higher percentage of real girls on this site than all PPL sites, but I had one woman (call her 37) who insists I must go through her agency when and I come visit her. (she is assuming I am coming)..I told her that I do not like nor trust agencies and explained the reasons..She insists that her local agency is good and pure as the wind driven snow! Right!!!! NOT! Well, she argued "up a storm" and it pissed me off..But she backed off after I protested..Ms 37 originally wanted me to let them handle all the travel arrangements and everything..I said "no , no, no"...lol.. Then she relented to just having me have them arrange the first meeting , then "we are on our own"...Maybe to screen against me being a sex slaver?..If I was, I would be talking to a 37 year old women! lol... Ridiculous! So, the agencies put a lot of pressure on some girls/women to have their dates go through them, with a percentage going back to the girls, I am sure. They aren't making money on PPL , so, beware of getting hit on the back-end by these agencies.... can "date" The girls can then date many suckers(men) and get some additional income, some free food and travel, and maybe some varietal lovin' to boot? Who knows?..lol.. Oh, 37 has now amended things to include letting the agency handle all documents for the engagement and ppwk for coming to USA...too!....This woman is too much! lol..Closing the deal before I even come!..Wow!!! haha...What a little worker! When she got too pushy, I just ignored her for a few dys..she came around..lol..At least she could be a little more subtle :/...But I am thinking, anyone who would take a chance at offending me so many times must be for real! She's just influenced by these damn mafia-type run agencies...Oh well, the economy sucks, so they all have a scam, directly or indirectly...Maybe it is just the toll that must be paid?..And maybe a few lucky men and women can somehow manage to find each other amidst a sea of treachery and deceit?..Hope so. The way I see it, if she or anyone gets too pushy, if they really like me, then they will comply with my wishes. If they don't, "F-it"! There are so many. Guys, don't act or be too desperate. This is shit-land...a woman from Kyiv told me so,,lol..They want out of shit-land and the shit is piling up here with all their problems..So don't be a dumb shit and get ripped off and get suckered and pushed around. If they were that smart they would not still be here....in shit-land!...It is the economy and gov..not the beautiful country...of course. 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