Unlike you, most of us do not speak russian comfortably enough to 'wing it' or venture into the nightlife of any FSU city safely, but I understand why you are so comfy doing it....Take me to any Spanish,Portuguesse or Italian speaking place and I am king of the gringos, lol...
Some of us do not even enjoy the 'meat-market' nightclub scene of our own towns, so going to an FSU version of it does not sound very appealing either.
Trying to pick up women on the streets in a country where you do not know a soul or can't even pronounce the letters of the alphabet sounds like playing 'russian roulette' (pun intended).
I stick to my advocacy of joining an agency that at the very least can provide reliable translator services.
" Tim, I have said this to you before, it works for you but it is still poor advice to be handing out."
Its Not advice, its an opinion, and my opinion is that to go with the intent of spending time with more than one woman, or to have two or three hanging around as you work your way through them sucks !!
If the l;adies in positions 2,3 and maybe even 4 knew they were in a queue they would almost certainly opt out anyway, which means you cant tell them, which means you are telling lies and being decietful from the off !! Not a good start to the relationship thats supposed to be for the rest of your life !!
GLT:
"so going to an FSU version of it does not sound very appealing either."
Its NOT like our experiences at all mate, clubs there are Not meat markets like they are in the US/UK.
"I stick to my advocacy of joining an agency that at the very least can provide reliable translator services."
Then do the ladies the courtesy of not going to meet anyone in particular and start looking at the agency when you get there, any other format is not acting like you mean it to Any woman !!
That's why agency socials are so successful, attendance wise, I guess...
A good reliable agency can do much more than provide 'fresh legs' if the meeting with your first FSU woman does not go well (like Jetmba's)
The only thing I will prepare for in the event of failure is the contact info of some local agencies. I will not contact them ahead of time, unless they are involved in the transfers, interpreter service or the apartment.
She will know that she is the one and only, unless she wants to change it.
Right now she wants to find a way to get rid of the interpreter. I told her he doesn't get past the front door. If we can't talk, we'll find something else to do.
If the meeting with your first lady doesnt go well, then you have the option to talk to her agency. If you are going to meet an independant girl then take the number of a local agency with you, just in case, but Dont line up more than one woman who thinks you are coming to see just her !!! Thats what I am trying to get across here !!
I mentioned it before but I wil repaet it for those who may not have seen it:
How pissed would you be if you went to see one girl, and 4 days into your visit she said she had to go way for 4 days to spend time with another man who was coming to see her ?
You would be gutted !! But by your ideas she would be doing nothing worse than you are talking about doing !!
I agree as I was going to meet several women but know have decided it's not the right thing to do. I'll stick with the one I like best.With no intentions of anyone else. If it doesn't work out, I can always go back to the agency and try again. Hopefully I won't need to do that!
I have started to make arrangements for Kiev. Just sent a deposit for the apartment and an invitation letter. The apartment is across the street from the opera house and I have saved the pictures to send to her. It's a great-looking place. After all. I want to be sitting someplace comfortable if things don't work out and she leaves on the first day.
I've read the posts of people getting their visas just as they're boarding the plane. I want mine 3 months in advance. I just hope there is still room on the plane.
Remember the comments about your size and your eating habits? If you have my babies, does this mean you'll blow up to 300 pounds/kilos? That would be very Western of you.
To keep this post on topic I suppose we SHOULD talk again about pubic forms of affection. Or even pubic public forms of affection?
Why, when I was in the Junior High School library with friends, purusing the dictionary of human anatomy, I asked my friends why the heck was that hair down there called public hair when it was hidden from sight? Of course there are those who do make their pubic quite public. (but not me)
Wow! I don't know about having "backup women" in mind when you go visit someone you are hoping is "the one." Yeah there is a chance things may not work out but don't make it worse. Kinda sucks the romance out of it. Sure make plans incase you gotta bolt or she leaves ya alone. The best that can happen is you guys click as well as you did via letters. The worst is you wind up vacationing alone. It's all in how you view it. I know I would not make plans to go see someone hlaf way across the globe if I wasn't at least 95% sure things were going to be fine regardless. Planning for the worst and hoping for teh best is the only way to deal with any situation. But multiple back up women? It kinda cheapens it if you ask me. It just doesn't seem right. Which is why I don't use any agencies. I'm new to this. I have a profile meant for local people to meet and have fun. For some reason russian woman have been replying to it. While I never thought of looking outside the US I am not closed to the possibility. But I don't get how people can even think of hooking up with someone they can't talk to w/o the aide of an interpretor. I can't tell you howmany appearantly perfectly nice women I have had to turn down simply because there would be no way for us to talk and understand each other. If you ask me these relationships are doomed. Communication is the most important factor in any realtionship. But hey. Maybe it's just me. Plus the added scam factor... Which I am dealing with right now. I am wondering if it's worth it. There are plenty of dishonest women here in California why go outside to find more of the same? :-P Good luck to you!
Groon - most of us here at this forum have pretty much decided that we are looking for a Russian woman. In my case i don't even date US women anymore - I have taken myself off the market. When I visit the FSU I don't see it as a vacation. I see it more as a mission to find the person I am missing in my life - my one and only. I know that she is out there and i just want to find her. On my recent visit to Moldova I had prepared sveral backup plans involving other women (not that i actually got to use any of them) because my time there was limited. I knew that if things did not work out between my girl and myslef (and there is a big difference between writing, or making phone calls and actually being with her 24, 7) then i wanted something to fall back on.
I hate to break it to you - but the FSU (especially Moldova where view people speak English and the police can be quite hostile) is really not an ideal "vacation spot". If you don't speak the language - you'll be lucky to make it to through your day-to-day activities like finding a place to eat and back to your room.
Personally, I don't think it is possible to fall in love based on telephone calls or letters alone. So the acid test will be after you meet. and if it doesn't work out between you - do you sit back and sulk while wasing the rest of your trip? Or do you try to find someone else from over there (a difficult proposition in Moldova which really HAS no marriage agencies like Odessa does)? Or should you wisely think ahead and make plans before you go? I think it only makes sense.
Groon I don't understand your point of view...do you want to say that each of us should stay in his own country and that's all??? The world is big and there are less and less borders between the countries...
And do you want to say that just the lack of knowledge of English takes away from the girl the right for happiness???
Yes she may be happy in her own country, but if she didn't find the only one man for her, what if she wants to find not just the man but her soul mate...so she should stay home and don't take her nose off the door until she learns English great??? Or maybe I didn't get the idea???
I believe that all people have the right to be happy...and I also hope that more and more of them will be happy!!!:)))