Thunderdome when you said "USSR, CSIR, FSU, Soviet Union, Russia, my dear it's all the same..... to the one's not living there.", it's like I will say that the USA and Canada are the 1 country and it makes no difference for me, because they are situtaed on the same continent...what's the difference then???
Try to understand it was, and now we try to make our future, the future of independent Ukraine, at last, these attempts were done several times and they failed, and because we got our independence at last it means so much to us!!!!
I don't mind you telling anything you think, I do the same, but I think that people should be respected, Ukraine has a long history, history filled with not only good things, but with tears of many generations, fear, hurt, loss, sorrow...and we want to change it, so don't you think that you at least could respect people, who are out of tyranny at last?????
I'm not in a bad mood, but I don't think that saying that FSU (or former soviet union, meaning all the countries that were included into it) is the same as Russia, it's the insult to a native Ukrainian you could ever think of...worse than that may be saying that Ukraine and Russia are the same country....
Maybe I was a little bit too hot, but this topic is too hard for me...to talk about. When your closest neigbours tried to conquer the country and they finally did for long years, that's not so easy.
My parent went through WW2, my granddad imprisoned and abused, they nearly starved and turned out to be the lucky one's. Hence they detest anything German, but that does not mean I do - why?
The mere fact that Ron presumed that speaking German was a no-no gives his age away, however the fact that you almost encouraged him to use this lang could, by others, be taken as an utter insult infringing on their culture - in the same way you seem to be offended.
Local situations are that, local, intermixed with local culture, and the rest of the world will gloss over such. No offense, but ask the average American to point out some countries on a globe. You'll be shocked but they don't feel bad, their president also incapable of doing this. And now you ask anyone to be aware of the oppression between the ex-state's or provincies of the former USSR, not only that, to realize that they still hate each other?
Thunderdome I understand that people may not point out some countries, I think that I won't be able to put some exotic countries on the map as well:))) But I don't think that I won't miss the main countries:) Maybe the difference in the level of how we study things, actually when I studied geography was one of the main subjects, along with many others, and we spent much time learning the country and it's capital, learning where you may find it on the map. I know that.
Germans nearly freed Ukraine twice...so the majority of people, who can clearly think about such things, whose minds are not befogged with the propaganda USSR did, realize this, and keep nothing bad towards to German people:)
And the misunderstandings if not to say more between some countries that were in the USSR come from many many centuries back comparing with which 70 years of the USSR are nothing....
But let's return to the main subject of the topic if you don't mind that??:)))
No, phones are all the same and boring, and only cheapskate's try to save some pennies by buying a local sim instead of taking out a roaming agreement, and for what - two weeks?
No, I find your continuing references to the past regime way more interesting, especially considering that you're young still. Ingrained for life?
Thunder, a large number of American can't point where some of their own STATES are on the map. And that would be a map limited to just the United States. <sigh>
I know im a little late here but while I was in Europe and Russia 900/1800 mhz worked just fine. Just make sure your phone is unlocked so you can just pop in any sim card for wherever you are going..
The price of a phone depends on what style, etc. I bought my girl a cell phone one of the last days, a fairly decent one with GSM, for 4500 rubles (about 150 bucks). Just depends on the store etc. Moscow phones of course will be more than the phone I bought for her in Rostov, just due to market demand.
Check out www.mtsgsm.com (they have an English version of their site) They are one of the major cell phone companies in Russia. They sell phones, and I see they have 9 or 10 phones with color screens all less than $100. If you select a phone with the 1900 mhz band it will work in the US also.
If my phone doesn't work well enough I think I'll just buy one of these.
Funny, but during my last visit we noticed many things, especially clothes, were Less expensive in Moscow than in Rostov! Must have something to do with competition.
Thunderdome, you wrote:
"...Dont worry, time will heal, that's all. ..."
Surely, -lots of time. They still march and throw things at each other in Ulster - because of a battle about 300 years ago. And one of the 'problems' in the former Yugoslavia stems from a battle in the 1300s...
-but, give them time enough...
scottlf, you wrote:
"...Thunder, a large number of American can't point where some of their own STATES are on the map. And that would be a map limited to just the United States. <sigh>..."
-and, once upon a time a certain person expressed regret that he did not study Latin in school - so, now he could not communicate with people from Latin America!
-and he was not Joe Average, he was the person to enter the White House, if something bad happened to the President!
Why don't you just buy a mobile phone in Russia that is GSM/GPRS 900/1800/1900 use the sim card that you get in Russia while in Russia, then use your sim from your phone in America etc., while you are elsewhere. These phones are already unlocked.
Thanks for digging up my 4 year old thread. This was started just before my second or third trip to Russia to see my girl. Just to bring you up to speed, since then I have made 7 more trips over. Some to visit my fiancee, one when she had her K-1 interview, and for a return visit after we were married. She has been in the US a little more than two years, and we will soon be celebrating two years of marriage.
As for the cell phones, after I initially posted I picked up ATT service and one of their Nokia triband phones. I unlocked it with a free program I found on the internet and bought a Russian Beeline SIM card that worked great. I found that most areas I visited in Russia had great 1800 mhz coverage. The only place I had trouble was in the Moscow metro where they were using 900 mhz repeaters. I understand they have since shut these down due to security problems.
On my last visit I used an unlocked Motorola quad band phone with an MTS SIM card with the same great results. I am using these same phones everyday in the US with my ATT service. Almost any US unlocked triband or quadband phone will work equally well in Russia and with GSM service in US.
anyone know if an unlocked motorola RAZR with a sim card from ukraine will work? just trying to work out if i should buy a phone here and sim card there or just buy a pay as you go phone when i am in kiev. cheers, /pete
Pete, my razr's always worked fine, v-3 or v-6. I have used same ukraine number for almost 2 years, just have to recharge when there with a 25 hyrvenia card, usually does trick.