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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Russian bride industry is a total scam! Author Post aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/29/2005 9:41:09 PM   I ahve not fallen apart over my experience with this Kiev girl. It was a learning experience and opened my eys to what a dangerous place the FSU bride industry is. I had a real girl..a real address..but fake intentions here..technically not a scammer as she did not ask me directly for money but still not honest. I am glad that it never went to the stage of the personal visit..I would have regretted this...I know I would have been taken to the cleaners financially and ended up with nothing. I have since found a local girl friend on ICQ chat who is 12 years younger than me and we have fun together. I am seeing how this develops. You dont have to spend a fortune and take risks with FSU brides. Aussies are only allowed 2 foreign fiancees in there lifetime and after that no further visas will be granted to you. Look in your own backyard first and really think if you want a FOREIGN BRIDE there are alternatives to the massively advertised on the internet FSU women. I have a European background and have a few European friends and the consensus we have is that Asian girls are more honest and lie much less than girls from the European continent and FSU. freebird1967 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/30/2005 11:16:16 AM   Yes you did fall apart over one girl..... Your being A hypocrite by not finding out for sure what the deal is... No woman is going to take A man they never met in person serious.... Shit she might have A post somewhere talking about how she wasted her valuable internet time with some Aussie who never intended to come in the first place, and how he just gave up and then posted a bunch of crap about her having never met her. Your being very self centered here Aussie... there is another person there not just digital e-mails... but youll never know. She may have been A scammer.... maybe.... But making it sound like they all are sounds like sour grapes to me man. Do you have any experience with women? I mean is this the first time you had to work for one? You have to work at it man... even in the US and who the hell wants want that just gives it all up... who knows how many times she has done that. You werent serious enough to find out whats up if you never went man.. so dont pretend that you ever were.... good luck in your search but if you dont have the means... then you dont have the means... period. idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/30/2005 3:34:22 PM   Asian girls, Aussia, I have heard more bad stories about them than Russians. You see, you have missed the point here, a russian did not scam you, a person did and it makes no difference where they are from. Asians usualy have intentions to bring more family and therefore put more burden upon you. Scdammers everywhere mate, they do not only come in pretty Russian packagers idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/30/2005 3:44:50 PM   IZI, I just wanted to know so I can know how you formed such an opinion. It is like this, weather you like it or not you have not meet. I chatted to a local girl on ICQ on thursday just gone and we decided to meet because we had some interest. When I meet her, all was well but she told me I was still not what she expected but liked me anyway. Now of coarse we did not talk as much as you have to your girl but its still the same thing. I think it is a bit overboard to claim such things about a girl you have not meet as of yet. While in Ukraine the agency told me that often though, a man comes here and meets his girl at the airport and the agency never sees him again, so it dose work sometimes and I am not saying you are crazy, just that untill you meet, to guage what other people say against a girl you have not meet, it is still only what you hope her to be, and for your sake, I hope also :o) Norwegian Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/30/2005 5:56:34 PM   I wonder who the scammer is... The one sitting by the keyboard pretending to be serious, or the female that sit there with her high hopes of a nice man that is not pouring down a bottle of Vodka every day... Frank Vans Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/30/2005 6:17:59 PM   aussieman, Have you ever considered about all the foreign men that scam FSU women with talk of love and kindness only for the woman to marry them, leave their homeland and family, come to a new and strange culture/country only to discover their kind man really wanted a housekeeper, cook, laundress and sex slave. Whom scams whom. It happens, but most people who are willing to extend themselves to go to the trouble to find a higher quality mate are sincere and honest. I really think you need to let this go and be more supportive of us that use this forum to exchange useful information to find and bring their foreign fiance to their country and future. Let's try to be more supportive of each other and less critical. It makes for easier reading, or at least, I think so. idiotdetector Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/31/2005 6:20:14 AM   of coarse men lead some on, but they lead us on sometimes too. I have had some letters from some girls who talk so nice and then one day without worning tell me to go away. I do not care as it makes it easy to narrow the list LOL. but still they loose nothing as thay can go home or they can. well they lose time. My x told me she gave me 3 years of her life, But in truth I gave her 5 of mine even though we were together for 3 because if I want to get another girl from there, I have to wait 5 years. In reality we have more to lose than them, as it cost them nothing, generaly speaking but we must fly ther to meet them, we have to fly them here and we have all to lose if it dose not work so I would not feel so sorry for them. They make a choice, it my cost them time but it may work out. For us, it cost time, money and a lot more if it dose not work, but if it dose work it is totaly with the risk izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/31/2005 2:36:02 PM   id Your situation was quite different from mine. A lot more time, many, many emails, many, many pictures and hours on the phone have been invested in this. I don't know what the "overboard" reference is pointing at. What is overboard?? I don't get it. She has goals I have goals they match, that is one third of the way there. The second third is chemistry and the last one is the daughter. A question mark. To tell you the truth she was more wary of me than the other way around. Like I said before if you knew the nature of the emails and calls you would understand better. It is true that until we actually see one another face to face we will not know, how could we? We have talked about that very thing many times and joked about it. We will see. If there is no chemistry there then obviously that will be that. However I don't think so. If there is going to be a problem I do not see it being with us directly but with her daughter. That is my main concern. One willful child can tear a promising relationship apart very quickly. Other than that it should be ok. I appreciate your concern but in this case I think it is unfounded. There is also something to be said for intuition and common sense. This feels good and I hope it works out otherwise back to the drawing board. As I said before when I return I will write an account of my trip. Even if it is sad, but I don't think so. izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 1/31/2005 2:46:43 PM   id I just double checked my 2 posts in this thread and I see nothing wrong with them. My conclusions and ideas are not extreme and the approach is logical and thought through. I fail to see the issue here. It is always best to double check and I have. I truly can't see where I might have thrown caution to the wind. I guess it is in the eyes of the beholder. Sorry your situation didn't work out, best of luck in the future. vanechka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2005 10:11:02 AM   Isnt it sad that you all attack Dbn55... His post is the wisest post on here. And a warning to any guy here looking for the love of his life. If you want to go to Russia for sex go for it. But for anything else you are a bloody fool. And the response Dbn55 got here is a perfect example of the lala land unrealistic mentalities that make Russian woman laugh at western men Cpt777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/29/2013 12:36:36 AM   Some very interesting comments, I recently started chatting to a young Russian Lady who is currently obtaining her travel documents to come visit me here in Cape Town. So far not even a single word about money has been raised, on the contrary all she seeks is an older man to be her friend and for an better opportunity at employment than what is offered in Russia. Am interested in the one writers comments about the group that gets together, as I am sure the young lady coming to visit with me will also like to keep in touch with her own culture, so if there is a similar group here in Cape Town please contact me. Tom Shea Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2013 5:14:44 PM   dbn that is unfortunate that this has been your experience. I was also going to give up after meeting several scammers. Then I found a woman on Fiance.com and began writing her. I told her in the exact words "You are lying to me, you must be a scammer" when she would answer my questions that seemed "too nice" to be true. She told me "Ask me any questions you wish then when you have no more questions for me you promise to visit" and 400 e mails later she was right, I ran out of questions. She turned out to be as beautiful as she was in all of her photos and as sweet and empathetic as she seemed in all of her letters. We have been together nearly 1.5 years now and met on vacation in a few different places as well as around her city. I have met her parents on several occasions and her visa has already been applied for, now we are just waiting. Oddly I was ready to give up too, but in a way it is kind of like big game hunting. Your hunt is totally unsuccessful until the second it becomes totally successful. You could give up after a few days (trips) but that only insures that you will fail. Look, you do need to be real. the 10's that are in their early 20's who write you by the hundreds (at least for me) who is in their mid 50's... of course they are scammers. Buy a clue. I have spoken with a russian woman who married an american man and has been here for 9 years. She says 20 years younger is fine. She is married to a man 19 years older than her and they are doing great. She wanted to introduce me to her cousin who came over to visit... she was 26 but I declined Thats a little too young for me... But anyway use your common sense man. BTW I have heard that SA women are very aware of their looks and dress to kill. Perhaps you ARE going to do better where you are. Either way the best of luck, but dont give up just because you met some scammers. I think that HUNDREDS of e mails insure their sincerity (and not the pay per letter versions of the scam) A true feeling for them before you go as it is possible to be very attracted to a person just by knowing their personality. After spending some time together ask to meet her parents. I did this and she said "You would be willing to meet my parents?". It made her day. The fact she was excited about this speaks volumes. I get regular invites from her and her parents to go on vacations with them when they are going but so far I have been unable to join them all on vacation, but I do try. Dude all I can say is that attraction here and there feels the same inside. You can tell when a woman is excited to be there or when she just wants to go out with you for what you can buy. harding Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/1/2013 4:54:22 PM   This Guy is Real I went to Kiev Ukraine twice met lots of lovelies Was warned but went to St Petersburg Russia I married the best looking girl. She was well trained in the Scam Business Married me - She was always at immigration on time She tried to prove domestic abuse after we were married to get "perks" regarding Green Card [always calling 911!] She got her citizenship and then proceeded with next phase-DIVORCE I called immigration they said 9 out of 10 Russian - American marriages fail!! and many look for the early perks regarding Domestic Abuse!!! So good luck guys cause You Will Need it!!!! Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2013 5:16:09 PM   I just love reading the stories of LOSERS durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/6/2013 9:46:59 AM   I'm guessing Rick meant to be sarcastic ;) For me, the Catastrophe Stories are VERY IMPORTANT. Men need to understand that these things really do happen -- and that sadly, they are not so rare. Among conscientious aircraft pilots, it is quite usual to make a habit of studying accident reports. We stand to learn a lot, from those who suffered calamity -- whether they made obvious mistakes, or were overtaken by circumstances while trying their best to do the right thing. Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/9/2013 1:31:34 PM   durak, In some of these stories the guy continues to make mistakes as if they desire misery. the old saying goes: "fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me" lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/10/2013 1:47:36 AM   Durak,,, I don’t think Rick was trying to be sarcastic,,,, he’s been insulting anyone who says a bad word about Ukraine,,, he even goes back to threads from 2005 to do so! The reason Rick needs to insult everyone who says anything bad about Ukraine and it’s people, is to deflect attention away from the real problems of FSU dating! Fraud, dishonesty, false advertising, insincerity, and corruption! This has become a national pastime for a large segment of the FSU population. If everyone who thought about going to Ukraine or anywhere in the FSU knew the truth,, they wouldn’t go! Rick even said so himself on another thread. He wants every new guy who comes to the forum, to think the girls are as pure as the driven snow,,, or however that saying goes. But we ALL know that isn’t true,,,, don’t we?!!!! The locals need us foreigners to believe there are good women by the thousands, just waiting for us in FSU,,, and if we don’t find one on the 1st or 2nd trip,,,, then we must be loser’s??? They ( the locals) will do or say anything they can, to maintain the status-quo! Uninformed men going to the FSU based on lies or propaganda! Rick4girl Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/10/2013 1:12:00 PM   LR1701 I havent pulled up the old threads, other folks have. Im not deflecting anything. all these negatives you mention Lonely can happen anywhere. It happens in America too, If I was to use the standards here on my ex wife then she too would be labelled a scammer too. No Lonely, all the girls arent perfect angels but to disparage all because of the actions of a few is silly. The simple fact remains is that MOST men come with unrealistic dreams and ideas. Sure, the agencies play on those ideas and dreams but the reality is maybe 5% of girls have even considered an agency. Its a difference of culture for sure. If you understand it and have an open mind in your search and are realistic of the girl you are looking for then anything is possible. There are many good girls. The problem is old guys thinking they will get a 20 year old girl that looks like she just walked off the page of a fashion magazine. Guys should know up front that they are going to make a significant investment of time and money to have success. You must be able to afford to spend the time to meet and develop real relationship. Even a village girl wants to know her new love will be able to take care of her and provide for her financially and mentally. You must have resources available even when she does arrive to make her comfortable. People from her country to talk to, etc. Its not MAIL ORDER!!! lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/13/2013 1:35:53 AM   Rick,,, I’m sure there are scammers in America,,,, but from my own experience, I haven’t spent a cent on any of them. Dollars spent on local (American) scammers: not including online memberships,,,, zero! Dollars spent on gold diggers: other than a few drinks,,,, zero! Dollars spent on time wasters or chair fillers: zero! During my time on local American dating sites,,, I attracted two types of women. Young and pretty,,,,,, or old and horny,,,, (cougars)! The young ones fell in love with me after only a letter or two,,,, guess where 90% of them were from??? FSU!!! Most of the remaining 10% were Russian women living in the US! Many of them tried the different types of mail or phone scams,,,,, sick relatives,,,,, visa scams,,,,, or the girl needs help getting the family gold out of some country,,,, blah, blah, blah! The older ones,,,, just wanted a boy toy. I remember one from Seattle,,, 52 at the time,, went into detail about how she would rap her hands around my you know what,,, while giving a BJ. I had a lot of them writing to me,,, I had a regular following of older women,,,,, that’s most likely how I won that contest. But I wanted to start a family,,,, so I ignored all of the older women. “Sure, the agencies play on those ideas and dreams but the reality is maybe 5% of girls have even considered an agency. “ I’d bet the % is much higher!! Of the women I met on my own,,, not any that I wrote to online beforehand,,, only one wasn’t listed at an agency. “The simple fact remains is that MOST men come with unrealistic dreams and ideas.” “The problem is old guys thinking they will get a 20 year old girl that looks like she just walked off the page of a fashion magazine.” Rick,,, who are you to talk??? I’ve kept my goals very realistic. I was thinking about “slot” machines today,,,, you win when you get three of different things,,,, like “bar” for one,, or “cherries” ! Rick,,, you are the only guy hoping to get 4 cherries?!!! kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/13/2013 9:56:05 PM   Gentlemen, let’s get the house back in order. We are all here to learn from each (at least I am) and not to pass judgment on each other without respectfully add a productive criticize or idea for your next adventure. I had shared my FSU experiences and opinions. 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