"It is more than the money,,, convenience and duration, with no sitting in the airport overnight or all day. Then there is the added benefit of being related to an airline employee with the possibility to upgrade to first class. I could try standby tickets as family , but that can become a nightmare on international flights."
Then maybe you can just get a multiple entry visa for russia and not worry about customs officials
since there are possible benefits for you.
My first trip was to St Pete's and Kiev was on Aeroflot.
I knew I needed a visa to spend a few days in St Pete's but my return flight from Kiev was back to Moscow for connection......I could not find anyone that told me if I needed a single visa or mulitiple entry visa so I just got the multiple entry. When my flight from Kiev landed at SVO 2, I was led to a side holding area and waited for an official to come...I showed my documents and was led through a large glassed door area to gates. I have no idea to this day if my multiple entry visa was needed........I got home, that was most important.
I would think durak would know about russian visas.
Thanks everyone for the advice. I nearly tried to make this trip last month through SVO without visa. Reading this forumhas alerted me to what could have resulted in wasted time, disappointment and deportation. Once again I am short on time to now obtain a visa, but it seems that I should have no trouble in traveling through DME. Isee this all as good advice and made changes to my plans. I am going to make some calls tomorrow and ask my sister to check with the airline. I think they should have some information on it as well because I think they are fined for transporting people without the correct documents
"I think they should have some information on it as well because I think they are fined for transporting people without the correct documents"
A part of your problem is you are making 2 separate bookings to get a cheaper price. I also think it is the traveler's responsibility to obtain proper documents.
You should consider Kiev and aerosvits crazy friday sale http://europe.aerosvit.hoster.com.ua/eng/spec_prop/7963.html New york to kiev 499 including tax for aug 399 oct and inter Ukraine flights 19 one way and 29 return. Also very cheap flights from Europe
It is not to an airline's advantage to bring someone into the Russian Federation who is not legally entitled to be there. One way airlines protect against this is to inspect your passport when you check in for the flight: if they don't see a visa, they can refuse to board you.
It's just not worth it to get a visa for a better flight, if you don't actually wish to visit Russia.
If you're ever in a situation where you need a visa to Russia, there are several companies in the U.S. that can do the whole job for you, so you don't need to visit the consulates, etc. The place I usually use is at www.gotorussia.net . Their prices seem to be the best, and I have had no problems with their service.
Rodan lives in San Diego. He has mind set to use Aeroflot.
Rates I think start end of October through winter(aug too). Great for east coast guys. This sale really doesn't help me plus I prefer to fly LA to europe in first leg, saves me 3-4 hours flight time.
I saw the add again last friday, not sure when it will be on again.....couple weeks????
But, if the airline is, Aeroflot then they will only, I believe, fly in to SVO from USA, if your FSU flights are in/out of DME then you'll still need RU visa to travel between airports.
You don't get a choice, on the same airline, whether you can fly from California to SVO or DME, one airline will only operate to SVO or DME, not SVO and DME.
And, if you didn't have the appropriate visa then you wouldn't be allowed to depart USA because, if you did, the airline would be heavily fined.
The check-in staff have precisely the same information as I posted earlier in this thread, that is the official IATA information as accessed by airlines and travel agents etc.
Upon checking-in, and destination RU, the first thing they would look in your passport for is a RU visa. When you explain that you have a connecting flight then they look in their computer for that connecting flight and when it is realised that it goes from 'the other' SVO, combined with the visa information, as I posted, that's when they would refuse you to travel.
So far, it seems to come every second Friday (7 August being the most recent), but to be safe I would check every Friday. It also seems that you must book the fares on the Friday (stops promptly at midnight Eastern Time), but the previous sale (last one of July) was good through Sunday.
Hey, its a Ukrainian company, why should I expect consistency?
And for what it's worth, I've flown them before, their service seemed fine.
My plan is flying American Airlines to DME in 15.5 hours from San Diego to Moscow (DME). THen on one ticket DME to Simferopol and 5 days later to Kharkov and 6 days later Kiev to DME on Aerosvit. Then return on American Airlines to San Diego in just about 20 hours. Every junket to and from Ukrainian cities is less than 2 hours and direct. No extended layovers and the cost total is about $1200 and maybe less than half that because of family connections. All I have been seeking is advise on visa requirements in changing countries at DME where all the entry and exit to Russia is taking place. I have given up on SVO because I cannot get definative answers from here or the consulates. I don't think my travel plans are as simple as I can make them, but my concern is political expedience and protocol to the person in the little booth with the entry stamp.
If you went to a booking site for tickets, selecting a flight SVO/SIp or wherever then, in the information, it should state if it's SVO1 or SVO2, likewise for your international flight go to that airline's website then airport information, or whatever, and it should say if SVO1 or SVO2 but DME is an easier solution.
When they distinguish between "international" and "domestic", this can be confusing, because in Russia, flights to Ukraine have been handled both ways :
I have made transfers at SVO without going through passport control, but this is no longer possible if you change terminals there. Ironically for you, Aeroflot is soon (within a month or two)opening a new SVO terminal, so it will no longer be necessary to change terminals on Aeroflot flights.
I would prefer to give you information based on actual experience, but I haven't yet used DME. As it is, these are my thoughts:
1) Changing at DME without a visa SHOULD be OK. My understanding of the rule is that changing flights within 24 hours at the same airport does not require a visa. The problem is that the airport must physically separate people who have not passed passport control, and SVO no longer provides this for passengers between the two terminals (really, they are two airports that share runways).
2) You mentioned "no extended layovers." In Russia, I am very cautious about this ... I hope you are giving yourself at least 2 hours at DME. Since you are apparently changing airlines, you won't be able to check your bags to Ukraine, and must deal with baggage claim, unless the airport can somehow transfer your baggage for you.
3) If your trip were to be aborted because of not having a visa, this would likely happen in the U.S. - the airline would refuse to check you in.
In your situation, simply to be sure, I would contact either or both of Domodedovo and the airline you will be taking to Moscow, explaining that the trips are between the U.S. and Ukraine, that there will be a change of airline, and checked bags (I'm assuming). Hopefully they will confirm that your transfer can be handled without a visa. I would also ask their advice about layover time.
Really, should be no problem, but you are wise to be cautious about Russia. They don't mind f*cking people over, and sometimes they do. I wish you a great trip!
I found DME to be one of the best and easiest airports to negotiate (although it may have helped that I spoke a bit of Russian). Immigration only took five minutes, although luggage was about 20 minutes later. Remember that, when leaving a Russian airport baggage claim area, you MUST have your luggage receipt to show staff the matching numbers on your suitcase label before they will let you out the door (my experience, anyway).
Two hours to change around, as Durak suggests, should be more than enough, as the check-in deadline for international flights when I was there was only 40 minutes before takeoff. International and domestic use the same terminal, which saves a lot of hassle, and counters and gates are clearly marked. My only experience of SVO was enough to make me swear that I would never go back there - I'm so glad that all flights from this part of the world use DME!
Any of you chaps know about accessing the VIP Lounge in Sheremetyevo.
I am getting conflicting results on all info I am reading.
We have 9 hours to fill in on route back to NZ this Friday and wondered about getting into the VIP loungew on 2 floor ????