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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > most popular scam in Ukraine now Author Post figgis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/23/2009 7:55:59 AM   My mistake was i was not clued up on the situation, as it all unfolded in front of me there was not much i could have done other than to get in a taxi and return to the hotel. The point of this is i have learned my lesson, there are some good ukrainian women out there and some bad, this can be said for anywhere in the world. Most of the guys on here must have been on the receiving end of some type of bad luck with a ukraine woman before. This was my first bad experience of this type of situation and when i was there i tried to make the most of it. Just want to say that some agencies will go to great lengths to deceive the incomming male victim. As for some of the girls well i cant say much about this particular girl, maybe she knew what she was doing maybe we were both victims. Just dont want this type of thing to keep happening to other guys and it will thats the problem. figgis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/23/2009 8:39:45 PM   This i found out today about the girl, i had her checked out and her name and address came back, she does not live at the address she gave me, she does not live in the city either and her date of birth and name do not match any local records for the city or local area. It was suggested that i spelled her name wrong but as far as i am aware there is only one way to spell it. One thing i do know is that the address she gave me is of some importance to her. She wanted me to send her some things there that were for her young nephew. if that was a lie that must be a pretty sad one to bring members of her family into it. what would be the point of sending stuff to an address that she knows is false particularly personal items for a family member. if that is part of her sad joke then that is just pure contempt. I really dont get these girls or her agency by all accounts her profile is verified and that means she has to provide proof of residence and show her passport. i have informed them of the name and address information that i got confirmed and wait for them to cross refference it with their records. It is pretty certain they will drag their heels and investigate and come to a conclusion that will not please me. that is the scam to me. They have girls with fake names and addresses but gloat that these are confirmed and accurate.It is an agency full of pro daters and gold diggers and they know it. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/24/2009 2:46:50 AM   I felt the same way in Zaporozhye, figgis. I already told the story, a little. The girl was 35, a doctor, had a kid and earned $200 USD per month, or so she said. Red flags should have been how she afforded a computer, a forty inch flat screen TV, and a digital camera. She did my apartment transaction and told me it cost $100 a day. She had her mother and dog stay in the apartment and I stayed with she and her son. I never did see the apartment. I suspected then that she did not rent an apartment and her mother only stayed with her friend, but I said nothing. One reason was I wondered how she got along with her and her mother's salary. I found out later that nothing in Zaporozhye cost more than $40 USD. I had trouble with the bank ATM, about a quarter mile from her house. I could not get any money. But, when I looked at the internet, the money I was trying to get out, posted. I showed her the internet, and she went to work after the bank, and calling all her connections with the bank, trying to get the record straight. In the end, she did a lot of arguing, but could not fix it. The problem fixed itself about a week later, the bank probably realizing their mistake. The bigger problem was the girl saw my bank balance. Shortly thereafter, she asked me for $500 plus $60 to pay the state for a business license so she can have her own practice. It would have taken months to bring her to the states, so I gave it to her, thinking I would not have to support her until she can come. I also bought her a dress, and her son shoes. On my last day there, I asked her to take me to the store to buy souvenirs. It was a grocery, department store where she bought groceries for about $100. There were little or no souvenirs there. The only things I bought for myself there were cigarettes and a video. We did make plans to get married. I did sleep with her while her son was in school and on my last night. She enjoyed my full body massages. I slept in the living room and she slept with her son in the bedroom. Strange, she ran around the house in her thongs while her son was around. She e-mailed me a couple of times after I got back to the US. Her second letter told me she will be gone for two weeks to a spa for medical reasons. (This was my third letter in which a girl told me she will be going away for a while. In each case, she never wrote back again.) I wrote her about a dozen letters after she supposedly got back. I only got a letter from her after I sent her son a cover for the Ipod Nano I gave him. I got two letters then. She told me she was not able to pay her internet. That was a lie because I sent her an e-card one time and five minutes after I sent it, I got an e-mail from the website telling me it was opened. Then again, I did not get a letter for seven months until I e-mailed her telling her that I was on my way to Ukraine again last November. She told me that she spent the $560 I gave her on her basic needs because the price of a business license now costs $1,500 USD. I only e-mailed her not to re-establish a relationship, but as a back up to visit if my girl did not work out. The last letter from her told me that she and her son were waiting for me, but I never visited. Again, she doesn't answer my e-mails. Yes, I went through the feelings of Jamie and figgis, but I try not to think about it and used it as a learning opportunity. As everyone of you and I know we still don't know if I got scammed this time. I plan to visit the same girl in September, and we plan to marry. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/24/2009 2:54:33 AM   As long as we're naming names, the Zaporozhye girls name is Tatyana Belik. She was on AOB, but I don't see her there anymore. She might have gone to work in Crimea, as that's where she worked in the summer. She earns more money there. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/24/2009 3:19:32 AM   Oh yes. When I gave her the $560, I added $110 for the airfare back to Kiev. When it was time to pay for the fare, she no longer had it. I did check the ticket and it did cost about that much, but I paid for it twice. myusername Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/24/2009 5:44:41 AM   @G-Reaper If you've never been out of the country before I suggest something a little bit easier. Start of in Mexico or perhaps Western Europe, Amsterdam would be easy. The travel process can be confusing in places that you do not speak the language and have not made signifigant preparations in a country ike Ukraine where sometimes even the Americans won't speak to you or give you accurate information as I have had happen to me 2 times now. While the procedures are similar in every country, and getting scammed has the same basic versions that exist everywhere, you are prolly better of taking something a little easier and closer until you get used to the whole International thing. Or, just go for it and learn the hard way as we have all done to an extent, I am just suggesting a path to building you a successful International scrap book. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/24/2009 4:44:23 PM   I want to spend the rest of my life with her, bear. I will be 52 in a week and I am not happy that I am alone. I should be raising and teaching a child now on how to live his or her life. I have found an honest woman. I know that to be true because I have never caught her in a lie and she is repulsed when we talk about dishonesty. She has been looking and found one who will take care of her child and have another. Yes, I can still do that. I look and in much better shape than many 40 year olds. In her spare time, I can teach her she can help me with my business. She is open to that. I did go to to Ukraine to find a wife. Perhaps I should have been more selective, but it is turning out for the best. I would've married the actress from Kiev on my first trip, but I guess she had other plans. She was a scammer, but not about money. I would have married the doctor from Zaporozhye, but I'm glad I didn't. In my mind, I think that I can change them to not be dishonest. Perhaps that is wishful thinking. I don't believe I spent as much as some people over here did. One person asked if $3,000 for a trip is enough. Beemer in another thread chastised somebody for going with a budget. I went with a $3,000 budget, and I stayed under it. In fact I had some to take out a nice lady in Kiev while I waited for my flight. (A friend of Igor, the taxi driver.) ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/24/2009 5:13:36 PM   I never complained much about the doctor in Zaporozhye because I don't know what her real intentions were. I know she was a scammer, but I believe she might have been willing to give me a chance. When she decided against it, she thought that she might as well scam, since she needed money. I mentioned above that she had a big flat screen TV, a computer and a digital camera. Noone could afford that with the money she was making. There were other signs. For one thing, I still don't know if she was a real doctor. I worked as an accountant with a clinic for five years and I was a medic in the US Air Force for four. She did not act nor did I feel that she knew anything about being a doctor. I never told her that. Perhaps they did medicine differently in Ukraine? I saw no medicines. I saw no medical equipment. When she cut herself on her finger, she sucked the blood out. Yuck. The mouth is full of germs. That causes infection. On one of her few letters to me, she complained that her mother had nausea and vomitting. No matter what she cooked for her mother, she vomitted it out. A doctor here would not feed anything to someone with nausea and vomitting. They would cure the nausea and vomitting first with a suppository or a shot. Perhaps she was just discovering old friends in the computer, but she was constantly on it for hours. She chatted with married men who were friends and old classmates. When I complained, she got her son to confirm that he knew these men and their families. One time, she was on my lap while we were on the computer and her cell phone rang. I heard the man on the phone, "Hi, this is Dave from Australia." She hung up on him. She did not want to be a doctor in the US. She wanted to be a housewife. Her reason was that she did not know how to read and write in English. That would have caused trouble because she would then go back to chatting on the computer. I told her that, and I gave her no time limit to do anything. She could not have another child, so she would have had a lot of time on her hands. She did not like that. I didn't want her to give up her friends. I just felt hours on the computer were too much. Yes, she would have been a problem. I got out of it cheaply enough. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/24/2009 5:27:22 PM   Rb, Often they will describe themselves as lawyers when in reality they may only be a secretary in a lawyers office. A doctor, well that could be a doctor of dietology who knows nigh on nothing about medical conditions, it could be almost anything, even a nurse in a geriatric ward! ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/24/2009 5:52:51 PM   That's good to know, Martin. But, she described her work as doing housecalls for a hospital. That's what she wanted the $560 for, so she can have her own doctor business, not working for the hospital. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/24/2009 5:55:56 PM   I just got an e-mail from my gf. She asked why I didn't call her today. I call her everyday at 13.9 cents a minute. I called her one time today, but she did not answer. It's good to be missed. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/24/2009 6:19:52 PM   RB, If she were a real doctor then they make by far more money than their salary, patients pay bribes for more than basic medical care, that might explain the lavish furnishings but $560 would be a mere drop in the ocean for such a doctor, they wouldn't need to ask for it, they could earn it in bribes very easily. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/25/2009 12:15:04 AM   Raging bull you need to check into WDT we only pay 7.9 cents a minute to call Ukraine and 2.9 to Russia. The connections are awesome. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/25/2009 5:25:41 AM   I have WDT. They charge me 13.9 cents. Why is that? I am in the Los Angeles area. Thanks Nasfan. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/25/2009 5:39:01 AM   I suspect that Tatyana Belik is not a doctor for the reasons I have stated and Martin has stated, but I will probably never know. figgis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/25/2009 6:07:06 AM   The girl i met claimed to be a music teacher, i had strong feelings she was not. I may be wrong but everything about what i thought i knew about her was different from the girl sat next to me. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/25/2009 6:16:41 AM   RB.....how long did you know these women that you 'would have married'?(see above) Seems it was every women you have met so far including your cuurent gf, am I wrong? I too would like to find a wife but the word 'married' would never cross my mind until I really got to know a girl very, very well. We are talking multiple trips. As you get to know a girl, things DO come out and I think it makes for better decisions, of course, it is still possible something could happen down the road. So I chastised a guy?? Definition: To criticize severely; rebuke Well, if telling a guy that it is not wise taking this journey while on a budget is chastising him, then so be it. It is a very expensive endevour nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/25/2009 7:12:11 AM   RB you signed up for the wrong program, contact them again and tell them you want the Ukrainian special for 7.9 cents a minute. They won't tell you about this program from inception when you sign up. Also take a look at Tel3, I used them for a long time then their connections got a little shitty. Though that may have changed. gecko Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/25/2009 10:06:41 AM   beemer makes a good point. These girls don't want to move away from their family and friends to live with a middle income guy. many girls will test you to see how cheap you are. sometimes it will be obvious and sometimes more subtle. its up to us to determine if they are genuine are not. they are not going to help us out there. I still say its inappropriate to buy gifts. would you buy gifts in your own country to people you have only known for 2 weeks? Do you buy gifts after sex? Your COCK was the gift. If she expects gifts after sex then your cock wasn't enough. Its more important to have a good personality and be interesting and to be able to make them laugh. If you can do that then she will not need anything else. People who buy gifts might have a big heart but its totally inappropriate before your married. If you don't know how to make people feel good without spending money, then maybe you should hang around people that do. maybe you will figure it out. these are just general thoughts i'm not singling anybody out. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/25/2009 11:18:25 AM   I think what a girl tells you is probably what they wanted to be or got degree from their university, trouble is they don't often get a job in that profession but it is still what their desired position. I don't know how many girls consider themselves lawyers. This continued gift giving, I do consider to be buying your way in and if it ever stops, you will notice a difference in the girl. You have to know a girl very well, not just a few weeks in a trip or 2. I do give something for birthdays and holidays only something small and usually some money...to a girl i have visited several times. To give for no reason is something I have trouble with. Funny first paragraph gecko!!!! 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