I totally agree with your approach to FSU woman.
If you are simply going for a holiday and to have fun, I dont think it matters what approach you take. But if you want any prospect of successfully marrying one of these women you have to take it a lot more seriously.
As has been mentioned, it is getting a lot harder to impress these girls now and thats possibly a good thing. It means you might have to look for a woman that actually likes you, rather than one the desperately wants to escape poverty.
I definitely would only travel to see one woman. If I felt for some reason I needed to see more, or have a string of backups, Then how sure am I? Why would I spend $10,000 on a trip to meet a woman I am not sure I could last a week with? I wouldnt spend that sort of money on a woman in my own country.
It works both ways to. These women have all heard the stories of the sex tourists and are very weary of them. There is no way they are going to take you seriously if you have a list of women to visit.
As a minimin I would expect the woman to be taking time off work for my visit and be meeting me at the airport. I wont be paying for their loss of wages either.
You are dead right about the woman needing to show some effort in the relationship. We are spending the time and money to fly around the other side of the world to see them so they need to show they are playing their part.
You are right. These women get lot of attention from other guys. If you can not make it special and personal, then you will just be another tourist to them. If you allow it they will take total advantage of you. You will fly around the other side of the world, tote them all over the place, buying them everthing. All for nothing more than a kiss on the cheek and a "next please". And can you blame them.
I think what you really need to avoid is giving them the idea that they can spend your money. If they are wanting trips away or meeting in other cities rather than their own city,then this is fine as long as they are paying for it:))
So many theories in this forum. There may be something good in each of them. I am a scientist, though. I will take a theory as a good one if its predictions - success - are confirmed by the "experiment".
Gemini,
what you say makes perfect sense. One should act according to his character, his expectations, and so on. But I also think that there is good advice and advice that is not that good. Advice from someone who has been successful is more likely to be good than advice from someone who has been trying for ages and has not succeeded.
King, Getting advice from those that are successful is a good point, although I would think, those that have been doing it for a long time, learn a little along the way, as well.
Everyone says you must have a backup plan. I would like to know if anyone has ever had success with their backup plan.
Ive had a girlfriend for 2 years. she still has 3 years to finish her degree. She is 19 Im 46. Im happy to wait till she finishes before making long term committments but am lucky that I can visit Kiev every couple of months. Even if it doesnt work out Im really enjoying myself. Ive been married before and have kids so not in dire need to repeat the experience.
Prior to my relationship I visited a couple of times with a bit of a list. Wasnt looking for wife but not a sex tourist. Looking for a casual relationship that could develop. Had a number of experiences of no shows, were busy, I didnt like, they didnt like me and a couple of hot flings. I also met a few that were just meeting with no real prospect of a relationship but who I had had interesting conversations with.
Its a long way to travel to meet someone that on meeting you find you dont click. Personally I find it a little bizarre the concept of months of letter writing, rocking up for a few days and making a decision to spend the rest of your life with a person. Might happen if ladies are desparate to relocate but I think those days have diminished. Be prepared to spend the time to develop a real relationship or treat it as a holiday as someone says so the trip will have some value in the case of failure.
I had lots of success with my backup plan on my second trip. After my plan A and plan B failed, I used a local agency that I had contacted before the trip (plan C) and met a wonderful woman.
Writing letters and even phone calls tell you very little about real compatibility with a woman.
Personally, I think long letter writing campaigns followed by a trip just to meet one girl is entirely the wrong way to try to do this.
I think the trick is to establish a genuine friendship with a local person. Get to know that person and his/her family and use that person's network of friends to meet a prospective mate. The
Since I have many relatives in Russia who know me very well, I've begun to take advantage of that opportunity. So far, I'm exchanging e-mails with a 25-year old girl who I think is too immature for me (44). But otherwise she's a very beautiful and educated girl.
Four years ago, when I wasn't looking for a spouse, I was set up with an equally beautiful 30-year old girl. The girl was very well educated (Moscow State), stylish and a great cook. Her only drawback was that she knew only a few words of English. Looking back, my relatives hit a bullseye on the first attempt. Oh well...
I thought you lived in Italy. About twenty years ago, an Italian-American friend tried to set me up with his cousin from northern Italy. That girl rocked! But I was a young and dumb, choosing instead to chase simple American college girls.
you thought right. I live in northern Italy. I gave you a vague answer about the current attitude of Italian women towards American men, because I never had a chance to gain an insight into that.
It's a pity you didn't get the best of all that rocking... (did you?) :-)))
I think you are on a very important point. An introduction/dating site engineered like Fiance.com can work pretty well if it's aimed at bringing you in contact with a possible mate you can meet in person within a few days or a few weeks. In other words, a possible mate who does not live thousands of miles away. Exchanging letters for months with a woman you never met is pointless and can even be harmful. Again, my little experience tells me that, loud and clear. I think something has to change in the design of sites like this. I think these sites will either change or just disappear. Just my view.
It really amazes me when I read on this or other RW forums about guys who write letters to one woman for six months and then start to ask about whether the "relationship" is serious enough for them to take a trip. When I've used local agencies, the agency owners and translators always say that they see a man come to meet a girl that he's been writing to for months, and as soon as they meet they find out that they don't feel the right chemistry.
My most productive use of fiance.com has been to write a bunch of girls from the same area when I knew that I would be going there in a few weeks.
For example, if you have planned a trip to the Odessa area, write 10-15 girls from that area. Write a simple letter telling a little about yourself and saying that you would like to meet in two weeks if she is interested. In fact, one time I was in Russia for a month, and I wrote to a few girls from the internet cafe. I said that I was in her city and asked if she would she be interested in meeting sometime that week.
I met some great girls that way. There was one that I let get away that I'm still kicking myself about.
I started this "game" about three months ago and, as a newcomer, I had little idea of what the best strategy could be. Over these months I sent letters (and received as well) to many girls just because I liked their profiles and photos, without minding too much when I can meet them. As a result, I have correspondences with a lot of girls and a substantial part of these correspondences are idling and likely not to bring me anywhere. At least, over these months I have practically selected a country, Ukraine.
I think I will soon adopt your strategy, VNVnation.
VNVnation,
how did you manage meetings with several girls over few days? What did you tell them? And what if things are going great with one of them? I guess in this case you drop the others...
I never had a problem meeting several girls. When we travel to their country, we are on vacation, but they still have their normal lives with work, school, and family. One girl will have free time at lunch, another in the evening, and another on the weekend.
If you meet one that you really like, then, yes, focus on her.
In my experience, I can usually tell within a few minutes whether I want to see the girl again.
Back when I believed in letter writing, there was one girl that I wrote to on fiance.com for a few months. I was very excited to meet her and really thought that she might be "the one." We had planned to meet at my hotel for a drink before going out to dinner. I was like a kid at Christmas waiting for her to get there. I was standing by the front door waiting for her, and as soon as I saw her get out of the taxi, I knew she wasn't right for me. Attraction is either there or it isn't, and you can't tell until you meet in person.
So anyway, I've never had problems managing multiple meetings, because most of them don't go past the first meeting.