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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > natasha club Author Post sirlancelot Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/25/2008 12:21:20 PM   Actually: if we are talking about NatashaClub and everything arround it like "RussianWomanPersonals" or "Ukrainian..." or.... it is a total different kind of SCAM. The Profiles have been acquired against cash from serious agencies. I am insecure how it works, but i think that the girls behind are getting a comission share for each letter to be exchanged. It is the same story as it was with the Dating Hotlines where you call the girls and become adicted to them but - where the girls finally never ever diclosed their real telefone number or Email adress. Same here - the Emails will be controleld by the manager of the side - and it is not even clear if the lady who is writing to you is the real lady - theyr protection is build on the Agencies - in the contract of the Agency, the girls who are searching a man do not read the term that the Agency can write to man "on behalf of them"... so the "Agency is in charge - writing to you - for the sake of translation purpose". Since i am oberserving their side, i get daily about 8 - 10 Emails from girls, some are repeating themselves - most of the letters are having the same foolish content - no direct response to your topics - just the first sentence - the rest is a copy. boredfukka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/25/2008 1:04:29 PM   Is BE Happy2day.com the same, because I have 260 in my inbox and very attractive ladiesm but it costs to read their letters ($299 for 100 credits) each letter costs 1 credit to read. I almost bought some as its Xmas lol but I thought twice!!! It must be the same kind of SCAM I guess. I cant help but wonder wots written in them though and just whether one girl is sincere in it. jack v Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/25/2008 2:04:47 PM   I KNOW Natashaclub and Anastasia com are Scammers.In August 2007 I Responded to letters supposedly sent by Ladies from these sites.In the letters I said I like to indulge in sex with 3 and 4 women at a time and drink large amount of vodka. The response I got back among the the paragraphs of text was- "it is good that you are a moral and responsble man and I look forward to hearing from you again" jez Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/28/2008 7:33:24 AM   borefuka BE Happy2day.com are notorious scammers do not wasteyour time with them. Jack This is a confirmation that Ukraine women like three in bed sex sessions. carraig Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/28/2008 4:21:51 PM   Well I have used the Natasha site twice now, successfully I suppose in that I obtained the contact details of each girl after opening 15 letters as stated in their policy. I have met 1 girl, she was who she said she was!!(A lady from Sumy who I have written about previously here, but things are going of the boil) and I will be of to St Petes again in March to meet the other (I have now spoken to her, and again, she seems to be who she claims to be on Natasha) They are no different than any other pay per letter site, if you are really interested in a particular girl, and you can not find her on another more reputable site, then you just have to roll the dice! there are no guarantees, even from the so called "reputable" sites. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/28/2008 9:14:16 PM   Carraig...how have you been? I always thought natasha was set up force you to open up a certain amount of letters ( and if from usa, more $$ for imbra)to finally be able to get contact info, which at that time girl can refuse or like in my case when nearing 15 letters girl decides I am not what she is looking for. On anastsia, I write for a couple months before visiting city, give my contact number and girl can call or send flowers( can get postal address)and get her phone number from florist. You are not locked in for long duration. There are both serious and non-serious on all sites...it is a roll of dice!!! sirlancelot Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2008 4:42:35 AM   It is the same story as with the phone-crancs' you call and they never give you a real number where you can call them outside the system. Even if they pretend to be very interested in You. carraig Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2008 7:20:49 AM   Im fine thanks Beemer, I dont really log on these sites much now. I am not acting as a cheer leader for Natasha here, but in the interests of fairness, there is little difference, in terms of risk!! between them and any other agency. I have used other agencies to various effect, but in terms of delivering the goods!! (ie, the girl I want!!) Natasha has worked for me better than the others. One tip I will share is to write to the lady as early as possible,(check the latest profiles button) to secure any future letter exchange at that rate, dont hesitate, its worth risking a few dollars if you think you like the lady. Every time a guy writes, the price goes up .25. Both ladies I have written to, (and a third from Nik that I have now secured her number and spoke to! for a future Ukraine trip!) started of at $5 and within weeks hit the $20 mark! So, yes some among you may think that may be a waste of $75??? but personally, its a small price to pay for the opportunity to meet someone who really takes your fancy, I am no spring chicken guys, so it is with some authority that I can state that I have wasted much more money on dinner dates with western women who wouldnt hold a candle to some of the amazing women I have met on my visits to Ukraine and Russia!! I still do not think I have met "the one" yet, but luckily, I am still in regular contact with all of the ladies that I have went to see. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2008 6:09:45 PM   Any particular reason for keeping in contact with girls? If it doesn't click first time, you think it still may? It is rare I am still in contact, I wonder why....I do not want to give false hope or can't see them if I am in area( because of seing other girls ie: jealousy). There was one girl I spoke to on natasha, when I first wrote her it was $6-$7, quickly it became $24( still can't figure why someone would pay that), turns out she showed up here on fiance, so I QUICKLY wrote her about getting my letters from here. Certain sites have their own rules,ie: contact info and photos, got to find your girl on the better site. I don't mind anastasia, I get my number through in letters and with a postal address can get a girls number. By the way, was it marina in sumy? was she sincere? very pretty girl!!! Good luck!!! beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/29/2008 6:10:24 PM   Any particular reason for keeping in contact with girls? If it doesn't click first time, you think it still may? It is rare I am still in contact, I wonder why....I do not want to give false hope or can't see them if I am in area( because of seing other girls ie: jealousy). There was one girl I spoke to on natasha, when I first wrote her it was $6-$7, quickly it became $24( still can't figure why someone would pay that), turns out she showed up here on fiance, so I QUICKLY wrote her about getting my letters from here. Certain sites have their own rules,ie: contact info and photos, got to find your girl on the better site. I don't mind anastasia, I get my number through in letters and with a postal address can get a girls number. By the way, was it marina in sumy? was she sincere? very pretty girl!!! Good luck!!! carraig Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/30/2008 7:25:50 AM   Lol Beemer, No not the infamous Marina!!! But the lady I know (Also outstandingly attractive by the way) knows of her and recognised her when we were looking at the site together one day! (she has now removed her profile from all sites) she really opened my eyes to how this game works. I got on really well with some of the girls I have met, I have no problem staying in touch with the 2 Ukrainian ladies I know, the other is from Kherson! I spent 5 days there with her, and later 6 days in Prague with her, but I just did not think she was wife material! but she is a smoker out of the top box, good fun!genuine enough (but the "shopper" appeared in her in Prague, Red Flags started waving!!!) I think she realised I had sensed a flaw and she tried really hard to fix things! apart from that, we got on really well, I may be going to see her again later this year, but we still text, and I call her now and again, (actually spoke to her last night!) she has never appeared on a site since she left to be with me, so sometimes the long game pays of! (Stopping of at Nikolaev prior to landing in Kherson)lol. In regard to Anastasia, personally, I havnt used them, but wouldnt hesitate to do so if there was someone there I really wanted to meet!! Despite the comments about their reputation, as I have stated previously, there is little difference between any of these pay per letter sites!! I will PM you shortly Beemer, send you some pics, and share an interesting story!! ivy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/15/2009 1:31:40 PM   well after posting picture I got over 100 responses. to many for me to spend my money , and 99 percent amazing looking ! I don't believe it't true my pic shows me 240lbs.I won't by credit ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/19/2009 3:14:28 PM   I told my gf to take her name off the agency. She did. Shortly afterwards, she was removed from AOB. She is still on Natasha Club. Her screen name is not even her name, it is her daughter's. Her profile is being signed on almost everyday. She says it is not her signing in. I believe her. There are times when she is at work and she is on the phone with me and this profile is being signed on to. There were times when she could have lied to me, but she didn't. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/27/2009 1:39:43 AM   How do I get my Natasha off Natasha Club? Any ideas? pika Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2009 11:40:42 AM   K, simply said, NATASHACLUB is A BIG SCAM, that's all. How do I know ? Because I have been on it for two months, been to Nikolaev, understood how it all works and now I can only say that I should have known about this forum before. - price are outrageous (up to 20$ to open one letter) : they say they do that to force the ladies to stop contacting too many men and reply to the ones they have been contacted by ... yeah sure, they are doing all they can to earn less money ... - you can send more than 2 letters to someone but they will stop from doing it if you do not open the lady's letters, so even when the lady sends you a one sentence message, you still have to open it, if you delete the email, it still counts as an unopened message ... - the ladies are paid for their letters, so sometimes they split their reply in two letters (the second one being like 'oh I forgot to say sthg ... etc') - the guy who wrote that he send letters to 20 ladies and only 3 replied is from natashaclub because they reply 99% of the time, and 50% of the time, they initiate the contact. It happened that I did copy/paste my usual introduction, and I forgot to change the first name ... but they don't care, they reply anyway ... why ? because they are paid for that ! You think they like you so much, but their business is to make men open their letters. - I warned them several times about what was is going on in Ukraine, they said they were 'surprised', that 'they would take action', 'ask the lady why she never showed up' etc etc but, of course, they are not going to kill the golden goose - you have to pay another 50$ to get the lady's details, they must ask the lady first, and if she refuses to give you her details, they still keep the 50$ - you pay those 50$ even if you have opened, say, 10 letters 15$ each ... - girls (especially under 25) are PAID by the local agencies (read below), it is a JOB for them to write letters, show their body parts on webcam, ask for flowers, make you feel special and wanted, they are professional con artists, so the more you believe you have found the right one, the more it means that they got into your brain - there sure must be some nice girls, but ... to find them, you will spend thousands of dollars, and be scammed beyond belief (see below) before you do. Not believing me ? ... read on I want to share my experience in Ukraine, not to whine about it but to share the information that I was given by someone who lives in Nikolaev. My hope is to open the eyes of men who want to go in Ukraine, or those who struggle to rationalize 'their' woman not being what they hoped for, or behaving as she implied she would when they come to visit her. I spent two weeks in Ukraine recently, mostly Nikolaev and Odessa, and it is always the same pattern. The girl that had invited me never showed up ... her mom was sick, she was busy, she tried to find my apartment but never found it bla bla It was like writing to a ghost, a very in love ghost, that also not forgets to ask for flowers, borrow money for 'her university or she will be thrown out' ... but does never find one hour in one whole week to see you ... My point is this : she let me do all the traveling from Europe for nothing ... she let me spent the travel money shamelessly just to put me in a situation where I would be exposed to the generalized scam that goes around in Ukraine. I mean, as tourists, we always expect to pay more, but there, it is beyond belief : people are rude, unfriendly, taxi drivers try to charge you 10 times the regular price shamelessly, women let you travel and not meet with you, they want presents, borrow money etc Now, you could think it was an exception, I had bad luck, but, in the week that I was there, I tried to meet other women from natashaclub.com, at least to see someone and something. I could meet some, but it was unfortunately the same pattern : they say they speak english but they come with their translator (10-20$ per hour), they want to go to the restaurant (and, believe it or not, they even order deserts to bring home ... as I said, they have no shame, no respect), they try to borrom money from you, they come with their sister or a friend so they can also enjoy the dinner, or a drink. Finally, the hotels and accomodation agencies, big RIP OFF, I mean 50-100$ per night ... I mean those prices are 'ok' in western countries but over there, the cost of living is at least 10 times lower. Some people live in Kiev with only 200 $ per month ... Private landlords have flats that they rent at an incredibly high price, just because we can afford it. And to top if off, they even have you pay in dollars, which translates in an increasingly high price in uah, although apartments are not imported goods. This just shows that they pull every trick to scam tourists, and I have never seen such a thing in all the other countries I have visited. In the end, and this is my point, I had a conversation with an american who teaches english there, and he told me the whole sad truth. As I said, it is a giant, organized scam : local agencies hire young women (there are ads in local newspapers) to write letters and show their body parts on webcam, so it is their JOB, everything they do, they get paid for, the flowers people have delivered to them are plastic flowers, they take a picture, send it to you, and split the money, all of them have boyfriends or husbands, so they do not care at all about us, we are just milk caws to them. They are con experts, very well trained, they know all the tricks , all the little ways to play with men's feelings, and keep them hoping ... and paying... I told him that he should put that on a website, but he said that he could not speak too much about that because the local mafia Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2009 1:03:56 PM   pika, sorry to hear about your unhappy trip to Ukraine. you should have done your home work before you go. yes! once again, this is STUPID to pay per letter - to open letter:) when there are hundreds of singles web site where you just pay membership. you can be scammed anywhere, even on the street of your town:) I do not agree with you that somebody should stay away from Ukraine. And I do not agree about apartments. Yes go ahead rent for one-3 months for 200$. But daily rates are different. There are many many serious ladies in Ukraine who wants to meet a nice reliable man from another country. So statement about decent ladies not using web sites for dating is not true. My friend s single and can not find any good man for a long time, and she is afraid of using web sites, claiming that online dating for not decent girlsƒº it is her problem. It is again stupid: to pay per letter - to open letter. But sites who employ that model flourish as there are many men, are very happy that a glamour looking girl sends them messageƒº you are paying for entertainment really. Girls are sitting and entertaining you. Read their terms and conditions. I think it was scam that all girls asked you to come visit them and never showed up. Remember for the future: - Start writing to each other, intro letters. NOT PAY PER LETTER. - If you like each other start talking on the phone, online chat, video chats: use skype, ichat, anything¡K. Remember each girl in Russia, Ukraine has a cell phone. - Never send money to people you never met. - Any normal lady in Russia will not ask you to pay for anything. - If you are that close to decide to visit each other, remove your and her profile from dating sites - Meet each other in some nice place, city. You can even go visit her, but before it you should know for sure her address, phone number, get snapshots how she looks like. - Behave normally, as on normal date. (if you can not land a date in your own city, country, you will probably get in trouble anywhere anyway. Learn about the subject. - Do not propose after the first kiss. - Have a back up plan. - Enjoy your vacation even if this relationship did not work, so you are not upset on a whole world. Always ask if you have doubt or question our crowd on this forum. leonfromkherson Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/10/2009 8:51:24 PM   Pika, all services/agencies etc. have their own rules. if you dont like (marriage) agencies like natashaclub where all service must be payed, why did you dont use dating sites? there you can write women who speak english. no need to pay for translation of letters, to interpreter etc. pika Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/11/2009 4:45:58 AM   Olga, you are right, I should have done my homework better, like finding about this forum. I had bad luck that my first (and only) website was natashaclub, whose policy is nothing but disrespectful. About apartments, I totally disagree, because 50$ per day means 1500$ per month ... this is outrageous, even if they have some days off, that's all I am saying. It's like the taxi or many other things, they stretch it to the maximum because they know you have to sleep somewhere... You know you will always pay more than the locals, but 10 times more is not acceptable because it means they do not see you as a human being but as a cash machine, and I cannot be happy in such environment. I remember one night, I arrived in an apartment and I was missing maybe 100 uah, I told her I would pay the next morning, and she was very upset, like it was so terrible to take such a risk (even if I had already given her 700 uah) ... I mean, there is such an obsession with money ... I am sure there are many serious ladies, like everywhere, but so many scammers too, finding a good one seems like playing the lottery to me. I understand your friend about putting herself in such a nasty environment. This is why my american friend who lives there told me that most women do not like at all those who work for the agencies because they cause most of the trouble. What I meant about staying away from Ukraine is simply that there are much better and nicer countries, if you go to Asia, for instance, people are generally much more friendly, smiling, not trying to rip you off like crazy. I thank you for your comments, but for now, I am simply not thinking about going back again. pika Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/11/2009 4:49:46 AM   leonfromkherson, I ended up on natashaclub almost by mistake, after opening a spam, it took me some time to find out about all the rules, but then I got stuck because I had already started to write to some women that I liked. Anyway, I learned many lessons, about Ukraine but also about myself. What do you mean by dating agencies where women speak english ? Are dating agencies really different than marriage agencies, or are they just for men who are allergic to marriage ? How can you know that a woman really writes her own letters without a translator ? leonfromkherson Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/11/2009 10:34:31 AM   pika, when you become a member of any service you read terms of service, prices etc. Question. Are dating agencies really different than marriage agencies, or are they just for men who are allergic to marriage ? Answer. Marriage (introduction) agencies - services where agencies post women profiles. From you side you will be charged per letter/service etc because agencies transalte your/her letters. examples: anastasiaweb, natashaclub.... Dating services - members of such services put their profiles without any local agency. You will pay only monthly/3month/6months/years amount as member. No any additional payments for translation of letters. I dont say about any gifts/flowers. Usually it is option. examples: friendfinder network, loveplanet, fiance, etc. Question: How can you know that a woman really writes her own letters without a translator ? :) If we will speak about dating services - you will read her letters. If her letters correct - she speak english as well. If her letters contain short sentences or have mistake - she uses an electronic translator (Google, Promt etc.). Local agencies dont work with dating sites, because it is non profitable job. I hope, I answered your questions Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > natasha club
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