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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > spoke to lady from nikolaev Author Post Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/18/2007 12:42:22 PM   Apal, You're embarrassing yourself by your ignorance, as FSU and indeed Ukrainian cities go Nikolaev, in my opinion, ranks amongst one of the better ones and my opinion comes from having occupied some time in Nikolaev. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/18/2007 2:45:53 PM   apal embarrassing himself? Surely you are mistaken. apal knows ALL. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/18/2007 5:24:14 PM   There's a bl00dy good bowling alley in Nikolaev, the pretty waitresses were wearing skimpy sailor outfits ..... not that I was looking of course :) boredffukka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/19/2007 1:47:42 PM   I agree with apal Ekagra Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/23/2007 9:26:17 PM   Behold, Ekagra's profound wisdom regarding the city of Nikolaev. Well, I am very interested in Nikolaev, city of St. Nikolas, you know -- birth place of Santa Claus. How bad can it be? Anyway I correspond to a lady from Nikolaev and so wonder about it. My Ukraine tour guide paints a sad picture. Nikolaev is a port city that made ships for the Soviet Empire -- when that collapsed, Mikolaev fell hard: AIDS, drugs, high unemployment. During those times it was probably correct to characterize Nikolaev as a Ukrainian sink hole town. No wonder Santa Claus left. Anyway it seems to have bottomed out and is making something of a recovery. My question is: how bad is bad? I was in Donetsk in the Ukraine, another town hard hit at the fall of the Soviet system. Yep, pretty dismal. But, frankly, I've been in nieghborhoods in Chicago and NYC that were far-far worse. So -- can't walk the streets in Nikolaev? How safe is it? Personally, I don't care about dismal. Dismal is part of the Ukraine experience. As a traveller, it all makes it quite interesting, yes? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/23/2007 10:22:06 PM   Wow - what part of Donetsk were you IN? The part I was in wasn't too dismal at ALL! Ekagra Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/23/2007 10:49:59 PM   Who knows. What seemed dismal about Donetsk was the air pollution from the smelting factories hanging in the air, the crumbling buildings, broken down busses, girls carrying bags with designer names no one could afford, broken bottles in the over grown parks, the food marts with small sad little fruits and vegetables, little hope on the faces of many people I met. It is the same in pockets of America, for example, but there it seemed like more of a general rule. dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2007 8:40:58 AM   It is no different to lyiv lugansk or los angeles jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2007 11:16:56 AM   Look for sadness and you will find sadness - in any city in the world. As for the streets - don't be like the guy who wrote here recently about how all we wanted was a pretty young wife so he could take her out of her miserable surroundings to a place with nice new roads. There is a hell of a lot more to a city than streets. ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2007 11:44:30 AM   Donetsk as in FC Shakhtar Donetsk? The football team isn't dismal and this season they are in the top 10 spenders in the world I think your'll find. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2007 4:09:07 PM   Ekagra: Check out the Don Bass Palace Hotel - and tell me its run down or dismal. (Look it up on the internet if you don't feel like actually going there this moment.) Rooms start at around $450 per night. (I didn't pay for mine. Lufthansa did. For cancelling my flight.) I dare say it compares favorably to the FINEST hotels in New York or Chicago. And its in little tiny industrial Donetsk. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2007 6:26:08 PM   --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- It is no different to lyiv lugansk or los angeles When was last time you were in Los Angeles????? Or are you reading from statistics from 1972?? Ekagra Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/26/2007 12:05:51 AM   Jet -- I checked out the Don Bass. Not run down or dismal at all, but the exception usually proves the rule. Wikipedia says Donetsk now has 1.1 million residents. Being a former energy & metals supplier for the FSU makes it a heavy industry town. Those who know the region know it has fallen on hard times, I heard that the miners were out of work for ~2 years. But those industries are bound to be lining someone's pockets, regardless of how well they are doing. Oksana said there were more wealthy people in Donetsk than in Kiev. And Donetsk has its virtues, to be certain. They had done some nice restoration work downtown and, one of the nice things about the FSU, is that it made certain that at least the major cities were provided for in terms of theatres, museums, schools, etc. All that is great, but it seemed that the life for the avg. Donetsker was dismal indeed. There are lots of indications of that, not the least of which is that lots of ladies want to leave. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/26/2007 8:13:21 AM   Ekagra: Watch it with the "that lots of ladies want to leave". Again, keep in mind that whether or not they want to leave...., they may or may not want to leave WITH YOU. What I am trying to say is that they are a lot less desperate than most people think they are. ANYBODY would leave for perfect circumstance. (Give me a few million dollars, perfect living conditions and a woman I truly loved - and I MYSELF would be willing to move ANYWHERE.) But you are falling for a common trap if you think the women are desperate. Likewise, of course honest women and scammers alike are going to TELL you,at first blush, that that they are willing to leave. Otherwise, what interest would you have in them. Again, honest women who say that really mean it - but not just for anybody, or any circumstances. I'm just pointing this out because there seem to be two radically different but prevalent false notions here in this forum among otherwise sensible guys. #1. That all women are scammers. ESPECIALLY if they don't jump for the first sincere western guy to come along. #2. That women are so desperate to leave (usually because of bad roads and old buildings ?!?!?) - that they are EZ pickens. (This is the SAVIOR (as in "I'm their SAVIOR") fallacy.) Buth notions are completely WRONG. Ekagra Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/26/2007 10:40:09 PM   Jet, I agree with your characterization here. Of course, when dealing with a group that is as large as the one we speak of you are likely to encounter all kinds of attitudes. My guess is that Ukrainian women are about as sane as the female population anywhere and attitudes 1,2 are most normally quite exaggerated. That does not change the fact that they are making themselves available for an international relationship and willing to sacrifice friends, family, and a familiar place in the interests of it. That level of sacrifice is significant and I think would not be undertaken unless something were seriously wrong on the home front. From what I know that something is most often the men, who do not seem to be equipped for a serious run at making a family. Why the men have these problems ultimately falls back on the conditions generally in the country, therefore causing me to reassert that, despite all the good points, that there is something quite off in the Ukraine. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/27/2007 10:31:42 AM   While in Donestk - a beautiful young woman (paid by the Romance Tour Company) was taking a bunch of us young-middle aged guys around on a walking tour near the hotel. he answered questions as best she could and seemed a little amused at many (and more than a little amused AT us). One of the guys asked her if SHE would be interested in finding a foreign guy. She tried to evade the question, but it was asked several times. She finally admitted that neither she nor her friends had any real interest in a foreign guy. When asked why she said "We have good guys HERE!" (or something like that). One of the guys said something on the same order that you are, that Russian men are supposedly not good husbands/fathers, that they drink a lot and play around and are not really serious, that they do not hold jobs. She laughed at us and told us that none of it was true. That, she said, was just what people tell us to get us to come. She maintained that there are LOTS of wonderful Russian/Ukrainain guys there and that was all there was to it. AGAIN keep in mind that there is a BIG difference between women expressing an interest in leaving and one actually leaving. As I have said - I WOULD LEAVE for the right situation (leave the US of A) - but I don't envision it. They make less money than we do - that is about the biggest disadvantage that they have over us. Don't read anything more into it than that. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/27/2007 9:36:12 PM   Finally something I can fucking agree with you jet! It's what I been trying to tell you guys this entire time! apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/27/2007 10:15:22 PM   These girls will laugh at every single one of you MOB creepers. ;p Sorry but regardless of your immaturity here I will continue to burst every last bubble you flakes have if you keep up with this Ukraine guys are drunks and thats why you have a chance to score! lol! complete Bullsh*t you keep deluding these naive new guys about the real Ukraine all you want because you visited some apartment and do the agency line for the last several years till now? lol! Some of these guys I met - I did business while I was there do have good paying jobs too, and some even might make more than those who don't want to listen to what I have been saying. And judging by the quality of the posts some of you make, I'd say you score high on any woman's flake-o-meter. So let's just say I spot you in your white patent sneakers, and you probably spot me with my casual Ferragamos in the elevators to work every morning. That's reality. A social event can be a good thing to go to, because you won't get the normal BS you get from letters. A girl sometimes has to answer 20-100 a week. It adds to the level of insincerity in a lot of these girls. Believe it or not, Martin I never been to Nikolaev, i was asking for info you jealous flake. Go on and crawl on back to your virtual slime cave of disbelief. Before I bust more of your socially misfit-sized bubble some more. ;0 bert Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/28/2007 3:33:57 AM   Jet- thanks for the insight of what I already suspected to be true anyway, the whole russian men are no good, screw around at everything in sight, are heavt vodka drinkers and incapable of mantaining their families is just but a myth created by these sites to keep a multimillion dollar scams biz and impulse the Ucrainian Love Tour industry. From your story, I can deduce that the lady of the tour were perhaps the most honest one you met in your whole trip, and I can understand why they were reluctant to give you a staraight to your face answer, they are part of the machinery!!! Eerytime I ask ladies here in this site, why the boom in the russian bride industry and what is wrong with the russian men, I get the same sorry excuses... now I can see this as part of the overall plot.. thanks for the eye opener jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/28/2007 9:25:12 AM   bert: "From your story, I can deduce that the lady of the tour were perhaps the most honest one you met in your whole trip, " I didn't say that at all. I haven't TOLD you about the whole trip - so your assumption is simply jumping to conclusions. Not sure why, bert, but you seem to be a conspiracy theorist. Looking for someone to take you at every corner. I met MANY honest women in Ukraine - one of which I am seriously considering marrying. OF COURSE you have to take everything said by BOTH sides with a grain of salt. The tour companies want you to come so they encourage it. If a few rumors prove helpful - then they keep them going. But NOT EVERY UKRAINIAN IS A SCAMMER! And not every agency is dishonest. There are some excellent ones. If you haven't been successful yet - maybe its because you are TO SUSPICIOUS! You have to be wary when you do this but is NOT ALL A SCAM! (Reason apal has failed and always will fail , is that he is a NUTCASE with no social skills whatsoever and the girls quickly realize this. On any continent.) Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > spoke to lady from nikolaev
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