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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Trip of a lifetime!!! Author Post MONADA Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2007 12:07:42 AM   NASFAN, if MAN is NOT STUPID BARTARD he'll FIX his wife&marriede without anybody'l help from forums. WHAT YOU DO HERE? TELL ME. Me, personally, I'm boring but imediately as I am an the place of destination, I'll be busy and have no time nor desire to waste myself for stupid bastards online who are not able even undertant the meaning of English words in front of their nose. HOW YOU (ok, do not take personally) COULD BE SO DEADLY STUPID.... MY GGGOOOOOOOD..... YOU, GUYS, BETTER STAY HOME OR GO TAKE PHILIPINO. UKRAINIAN WMN ARE NOT FOR YOU. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME AND MONEY! My QUAZIMODO husband is killing himself laughing reading your comments. Your best ideas is to stand on the corner with backs in hand ...... yeaaaa... the sample of intellectual brightness..... I hope still that you look better then Quazimodo and will not come on meeting with girl in shoes without sockes :))) and will be able to leave tips in restorant without counting and checking the bill. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2007 6:11:26 AM   This forum amazes me. When things get into a decent order, and many more people begin to communicate with each other, the idiots come crawling out of the woodwork. I haven't seen so many different people talk in here for a couple of years. I just don't get it. What is the the big jolly out of ruining guys talking about searching for a woman in the FSU? What joy is it some people have out of making others miserable? Monada reminds me of Annika77 under a different guise. Her prose and spelling are nearly identical. Navarreman, My wife has read this forum many times. She can pretty much label the guys who are going to fail, who are the liars etc. I don't think women would get too much out of reading this forum due to the fact of the retards that invade this place from time to time to disrupt the flow of intelligent communication. Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2007 11:49:27 AM   Annika, was from Estonia. Monada is from Ukraine. MONADA Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/7/2007 12:20:24 PM   Hey, Annika was bitch. Respects :) Thank's to gad I'm not alone of this kind. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/9/2007 6:25:19 AM   Thanks Olga I realized that, though we have found lately here that getting an IP address from another country isn't all that difficult. Monada, being a bitch, wow what a badge of honor and truly a great indicator of quality character. Impress me more with your intellect and all that you know, I have 3 minutes in life to spare. Navarreman1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/9/2007 7:32:27 AM   I rest my case. This was a thread about me giving thanks to all those who have contributed to my successful trip to Russia in search of that special someone, and ended up as a name calling, mud-slinging, sarcasm laced free-for-all far from the original track of the thread. It seems to be an uncontrollable urge for some to resort to this. Anyway, once again, thanks to those who have helped me find the happiness I sought for. Bill Maxirat Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/9/2007 6:25:20 PM   Bill Don’t get to upset about this. It happens here a lot. Hope you are not having a shot at the poster immediately above you ???? He , like me, have been through a lot – on this forum and putting together a successful relationship. We get very annoyed at the ones that come on here and make assumption (negative ones) based on very little – and probably based on self misery in their life or past relationships. I personally (and the above) wish only the best and all the success possible for you and all the other genuine ones that make the commitment. It’s not an easy expedition – bloody difficult and full of ups and downs – but the end result for those of us who have found our true love/partner/sole-mate – makes all that, well worth it. That is why – hard swipes and criticism is fired back at those who deserve it – people coming on here and saying “all Ukraine/Russian women are money grabbing scamming bitches etc etc” when the person has only made/done bad judgment of character or rushed in with his eyes closed – got burnt – then comes back blaming all – I say go look in the mirror – don’t grip on here. Navarreman1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/9/2007 10:50:50 PM   Maxirat, Yes my comment was directed at Nasfan and at Monada. There is just no reason for name calling and mud-slinging. There was a time when I busied myself with being self-indulgient but I am trying very hard to lead by example. I lost it with Martin. I swore that would would be the last time I did such a thing. I have to learn to be responsible for myself. I felt compelled to enter into the thread about visa troubles but I refrained from going there. I realize the Dr. Koop really has limited knowledge but much enthusiasm when it comes to Visa knowlegde. The information he gave in my case was completely off track, but I chose to ignore him rather than get into a debate about it. People with enough intelligence to go through this process will soon figure out what is shine-ola and what is BS. (I fully recommend www.visajourney.com!!!) If I see a thread I think I can give good advise on then I do so. If I see a thread that I think is utter crap, then I stay away. Why sweat the small stuff? I now have the opportunity to live a life of happiness and I will not clutter it up with meaningless attacks on others. Life is short, and at last, my life is good and meaningful. I have been blessed. My methods were very different from many of those "tried and true" methods so many swear by here on this forum. What good will it do to tell my complete story. It is my story and may not work for others. I don't see the sense in traveling half way around the world to visit clubs or cafes in the hopes of find Mrs. Right. I developed very good communication with one very special person and learned how to base our relationship on quality communication first rather than pick at ramdom and explorer the physical aspects first. My love is a woman of exceptional quality and I discovered that she was far more than I had expected when we met. End of story. At least that is the end of my story. May not work for everyone. But I did not tell anyone that they were full of it because they did not see things my way. My way is only right for me. This is very similar to finding the right job. Discover what makes you happy and go for it. Should you need help in achieving your goals, then ask specific questions to reach your goals. If someone has credible info on the subject this is a good thing. If not, search for the info somewhere else. The answers are out there. You just have to find them. To be perfectly honest, my biggest worry will be the first couple of months she is here with me in Florida. I am scared that she will find herself somewhat of a prisoner until her English improves and perhaps she finds a job to occupy her time while I am at work. But I have also started attending the local ad-hoc Russian church and made many friends with other Russian immigrants in an effort to give her access to people who speak her language and she can form her own friendships with. All of them have been very excited about my plans and look forward to meeting her when she arrives. I can only hope that this will help get us through the period of adjustment. I don't hear much discussion about this and I think this is why many of these relationships fail. She may adore you as her Knight in shining armor but not as her jailer. My love knows what I have tried to do for her/us and she has thanked me for my thoughtfulness and caring many times and she feels that she will try her hardest to put these plans to good use. Well I have gotten off track here and I apologize. But I think that this is food for thought for any man attempting this journey. We must understand that just because we have "rescued" her from the FSU, her life may not be any better here and may even be worse in many respects unless we understand how to work together to make the relationship of different cultures and languages a viable concept. Again... just one man's opinion skiired Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/10/2007 8:48:30 AM   Nav, it will be the same when she arrives. Everyones experience will be different once they are together here. Some ladies need the comradarie of having other Russian people around them to adjust and some don't. If your fiance dosen't communicate well in English yet it may be an issue for her. But she'll get through everything with your support and attention to her. I was lucky that my wife spoke English very well, but she was still nervous she would not speak well enough for people to understand her. She was so happy once she got here and seen she had no problems communicating. She dosen't understand when people babble and don't speak clearly but she dosen't mind. She just listens more intently and I can see her absorbing words like a sponge. If she has a question she's not afraid to ask me. She tried the communication route with other Russians that are here but it didn't work out too well. She once said to me she didn't come here to be with other Russians, she has her friends and family in Russia for that. She's here for me and thats what she wants in her life. I did get her Russian tv channels so she can see the news, watch movies or catch some tv shows she watched before she came to America. But you know, she dosen't even watch so much at all. As far as working, yes she misses her career a little bit. But she does just fine at home for now. She reads books, shes studying the American banking system, we go the beach a few times a week after I get home from work, shes got one hell of a vegtable garden growing. She bikes around the neighborhood. She really keeps herself busy. She knows she can have her career again once she is ready. We spent about 5 months together in Russia before she came over so we already lived together a while and I wanted her to be comfortable with me here when she came. It was a big sacrifice for me to spend so much time there but it was the best decision I ever made. I can even say my experience there changed my outlook on life somewhat. I cant put a price on our relationship. She knows it, I know it and when we do have a few problems our love and friendship pull us through everything. I am a very lucky man and I wish the same for you and all others that are seriously serching for their other half. I will say again, good luck to you. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/10/2007 9:00:02 AM   Hey I can take the shots, unfortunately, mudlsinging and name calling is bad, but idiotic posts are truly acceptable. Personally a person has the right to opine anyway they want. You may not like my methods so be it. Navarre, first you need to read the forum a little more. Instead of taking the holier than thou approach on engaging idiots in this forum. I've posted many times here that getting the K1 is the easiest part of this process and I have written many posts regarding my wifes landing on US soil. I've also written many different things regarding, in my mind what was necessary before she came here. It hasn't been just one single post regarding this issue but various. From English lessons to driving lessons prior to her arrival. Not forcing assimilation down their throats, it goes on and on. Another source is networking with guys here that wives are already here. The biggest issue is not speaking their language. Their biggest issue is not hearing their language.My wife commuincates almost daily with 3 women whose husbands were former members of this forum. We have taken the time to visit all three. One happens to live down in Florida, which in July I will be down there again to visit. Don't try to make two cultures work. Embrace her culture and make that the basis of your home. You can walk out your door and get all your culture you want. Remember she is giving up far more by being in a foreign land to be with you than you are. Don't pressure them into the work force too quickly. Make adjustments in your lifestyle until she's ready, or create an occupation for her so she feels productive. Have Russian TV channels on your satellite for her. She will enjoy that. Let her re arrange the home, let her make it feel as it is hers. I went to the extreme and totally remodeled our home. I live in the country but now have a house that has a contemporary European flair. Forget the rescued from the FSU. She is the one that is actually rescuing, when you finally see "The Big Picture" as one has quoted here lately. The reason you don't hear much discussion about his is because like you said, after this, this won't be part of your life after she is here. It's left to mudslinging idiots like me to shed the light on the reality of living with a woman from Ukraine. Most as you have spoken, have just left without sharing such information here. I won't be here for much longer I'm sure. Peter thanks for the support. And Bill as long as their are guys like you seriously looking for a lifepartner/soulmate, I will engage these idiots and slam them into the earth. Mudslinging isn't nearly as bad, as bad information or intentional misinformation. So with all due respect get over it. I'm the luckiest guy in the world, that's my opinion. So if I can help one guy to reach that pinnacle in life, I feel like I've contributed a little bit. The problem with visa's as you referenced above, can be expensive and have catastrophic consequences with advice from an idiot. When you expose a fraud the attack isn't meaningless. Also get off your high horse. As you said your way may not work for others and it won't. Then why become so judgmental on how others approach it? The difference between you and I, is I am a confrontational person. I've always been. I weigh the merits of the situation and if I feel something is bullshit, I won't keep my mouth shut, just to get along. Doesn't make me any better or any worse than the other guy. I just don't buy into the PC lifestyle. When some idiot comes into the forum and broad brushes my wifes persona and culture as some rogue theif, I'm going to retort. That would be like sitting in a restaurant and some guy making a derogatory comment about you wife/girlfriend, what will you do, just let it go by or defend her honor? So you can throw the play well with others philosophy out the window here. This is about as serious as it gets in life. ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/10/2007 9:25:13 AM   "The biggest issue is not speaking their language. Their biggest issue is not hearing their language" So true, especially not hearing their language which is what I have found. Its not easy for them when there are upset to express themselves in english and when talking and listening to you to have to translate things in their head at the same time. I found for russian TV the following website very useful for her http://www.webtelek.com. And having friends who speak russian is also important. Excellent advice. Navarreman1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/10/2007 11:10:29 AM   Nasfan, No one here knows the first thing about my lady and it will remain that way. I do not own a horse. I do not advocate one method over another. I simply stated what worked for me and my reasoning behind it. I did not get "judgmental" about it either. At no time did I say that some one who uses socials to find women is any less of a man than I am. (just an example) Far from it. What I did say is that that was not my style and what worked for me may not work for another. Period. I cannot help anyone with their situation because they are not me and each one is different. But advice can be given about visa issues, plane fares, interesting cities etc. And all of this can be handled as adults without name calling or mud-slinging. I don’t think any of us came to this sight thinking this will be a good place to slam other people. Instead I think most of us got here by asking Jeeves “Where can I get quality information on the ins and outs of bringing home an FSU bride”? Sure there are people who write on here without knowing what they are talking about. But I checked for prior posts and read what they have written and the "less-than-credible" ones are self evident. And there are people like Mike. I do not agree with everything he has to say, hell I don't understand every thing he has to say, but he does have some very good insight into survival in a foreign country and how to stay alive and safe. I have traveled the world, mostly with fellow military personnel. This was my first solo trip ever into a previously taboo country. There was tremendous apprehension on my part. But with his good advice, all went very smoothly and I had zero troubles. Long ago, it may have been my first post; I was chastised and ridiculed right off the mark for having been sucked into being part of a scam. I was accused of wanting something for nothing and I took great exception to that accusation due to its inaccuracy. But it woke me up to the mentality of many of the posters on this forum and how vicious some people can be when they are anonymous. The post was meant only to warn others of a scam that I had not heard about but was trying to warn others about. Your “high horse” people were quick to cast blame, you Nasfan, were one of them. What was the purpose in this? Did it make them feel better about themselves? There were only one or two posts that simply said “Yep, heard of that one, bad deal, stay away” or “Thanks for the info”. I do give you credit though in recognizing and admitting that you are confrontational. You remain at the scene and tell the cops it was your fault rather than the familiar “hit-and-run”. You’ve got balls. What you don’t see me doing is telling people that the BEST way to do something is such-n-such. Yes I did that in the past and got my ass handed to me. Now I simply say “this is what I did and this is how it worked out – take it or leave it”. I am not here to be anyone’s savior. We’ve all got brains… use them! This forum has become a much better place to visit and learn (or teach) since a couple of changes were made. It is a wonderful tool and has helped many people in their quests. Isn’t that what this is all about? And lastly… The plans I have made for my lady regarding local Russian immigrants is only a plan. Tis’ better to have a plan than naught! Maybe it will work maybe it won’t. But the option is there. If nothing else it has helped me learn more about her culture and what to expect and respect. Bill beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/10/2007 11:46:18 AM   Navarreman, I am glad you are happy and hopefully have found what you were looking for. I did refrain from giving my thoughts on your decision to quickly develop your relationship in such a short time. But it is your decision not mine, I know that I could never do that, I need time to be sure of my decision, months not weeeks. But my hope is things work out for you. If not I'll see you back in forum to find what we are all looking for. What I don't understand is how personal many people in forum take what anybody says. I read many posts and some are funny, some are idiots, some are insightful. I do not mind any criticism, I take it as somebody's view on an issue, period. If I have a point to get across, I'll post my message. I did not consider as you did, there was mudslinging, sometimes you have to be creative in trying to get a point across. Some people need that to get their attention. And I think you took it personally that some posts took something away from your 'trip of a lifetime', get over it, it happens to many threads that the topic will shift. You had 2 posts trying to shift posts back to YOUR topic. I am sure if you read many different threads, even you have commented on something that had nothing to do with topic. Again, my best wishes to you and your girl! Navarreman1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/10/2007 3:33:53 PM   Correctamundo!!! I have made my fair share of mistakes. But I learned from them and moved on. The majority of the negative posts I refer to are from the most seasoned posters on this forum. This forum is all about what may be the most personal issue a man could have. Finding a lifetime partner. I would expect that many members may feel that many of the posts get too personal. I know some of mine have. I took note of my errors, admitted that I was wrong and have done my level best to repent for my erroneous ways. In some small way the forum is better for me not attacking others for what I may feel are ridiculous concepts. If you have noticed, I have managed to have many weeks of good, quality posting without once calling a name or telling anyone they were full of shit. This is a result of my maturing and learning more about what I expect from this forum. It can be done. One just has to make the effort. If one just wants to be confrontational and call names, once again I suggest AOL.com chat rooms. They thrive on it there. My reasons for being here are far different than those who frequent AOL. Wasn't it some of you that complained as I did how muddled the forum was becoming with all of the negative posting of a certain ex-member? Is the forum a better place now? I certainly think it is and I hope that any newcomers here will find this to be a sanctuary where they can come and feel welcome to find answers to the many questions they will have without seeing us tear into each other. I know that when I first came here I was made to feel like a small speck of flea crap on a mangy camel. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/11/2007 7:57:19 AM   Bill I will leave it at this. When you post something about being scammed, which in itself to me personally is silly. You open yourself up to getting flamed. Actually, I went and looked at that thread you are referring to. If you think I was harsh, wow!! I don't know how many times it has been posted here. Don't send money to someone you don't know. TimH once gave me some advice, go back and read all you can read in the forum before you start posting. So that's what I did. You know what, many times it was referred by members and the moderators at that time, don't send money to someone you never met! Well that stuck with me. I had many women try to get me to send money for various reasons. I never did, no matter what their situation was. Remember they were surviving before I came along. The second thing that stuck out in my head was how many fellow americans were trying to circumvent the system by being lazy and having the women come here first, which is the beginning elements of a scam. Also it won't work for your K1 visa I also think I said, there's nothing wrong with trying to get something for less than it's value, but you neglected to cite that. That I thought that was being financially prudent. So if you consider what I wrote as being vicious, you are being very thinned skinned. So lets be accurate, you like to prove the inaccuracies here, don't lump me in with the others that really ripped you hard. I give new guys a pass, because they are what they are, new. Scamming I don't give a pass, because that affects all guys looking. Especially since it's one of the rules etched in stone everywhere, don't send money, even when you have met someone be prudent then. I could go on about how my wife didn't ask for money and there were times I knew she could use it. She was too proud to ask for help. Now to address your mudslinging. So If call someone an idiot, that's mudslinging. Anal retentive maybe a more cultured way. So when anal retentive people, like blucraze,Annika77, AJ, Amir, Modana etc. post their idiotic rhetoric, we just sit back and say, oh they are just wrong, a little misguided. You want this forum to be an adult forum without mudslinging and their intentions are from making this a peaceful place for intelligent guys to post their thoughts. I have yet to see a female since Ptichka, post in here that didn't have an agenda to cause problems and stir up bullshit. Ptichka, you want to read, is one of the people here that was in this forum that I gave so much thanks for helping me. She was modest, and didn't think so, but she gave a non biased insight into the minds of Ukrainians both men and women, and too her I will always be truly greatful for helping make my relationship work. She educated me in customs, their culture and basically the care and feeding of the ladys from Ukraine. She was married a year or so ago and hasn't been back. She was absolutely the best!!!!!!! I will rest my case on this thought. We are so driven to be Politcally correct in this country it's absolutely absurd. Look at our political System now. Nothing gets done because the PC crowd won't grab the bull by the horns. Sorry that's not my character. Look in history, Brits should thank God that Churchill wasn't PC. Patton wasn't PC. Reagan wasn't PC. So to those who didn't play well with others, their nations should thank God that they didn't because their nations owe them a debt of gratitude. It goes the same in everyday life. I heard about the PC crowd on an airplane the other day, that looked away while two men in their 60's subdued a couple of idiots on the flight. Younger able bodied men, not willing to help a former Marine and a former cop help. PC just doesn't stand for politically correct, but pacifist cowards. So in your words, those two men weren't acting as adults since they engaged idiots on the air flight. Same as here, I still remember the story of one guy here telling how bad advice cost him the opportunity with a real and fantastic girl. Since he was advised only reason women wanted to go to Kiev was for expensive shopping trips and he bought into it. My wife is very proud of her history and culture and has a national pride. Something we could learn from here in the states. She took me to Kiev to show me her history and culture. So if you think I was harsh, I will apologize, but I think you overreact and are a tad bit sensitive. See you're one of us lucky ones, so far. Stop thinking about yourself and think about the next guy who will get crap information from one of our intellectual giants and blow the opportunity to have what we have. Selfishness is also a part of the PC crowd. Navarreman1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/11/2007 12:42:40 PM   Nasfan et. al., I wrote a lengthy reply to your post and was almost ready to cut and paste it here when I figured "Why bother? We will never see eye to eye on anything and you love the confrontation." You see things the way you want and so do I. But see if you don't notice a difference in they way we are communicating v. what so many of us have become accustomed to in this forum. I for one find it refreshing! Bill nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/11/2007 2:30:56 PM   We can see eye to eye, but when you accuse someone of casting blame, or slinging mud. Just cite it please. I went reread what you were talking about. Casting blame by citing that sending money to women is foolish at best. By saying why do guys continually do this when there is more information out on the street about this, but it continually needs to be re addressed? You specifically cited me by name as one that did this. You need to go reread the thread again. I think a couple other partners really hammered your butt. But as usual, you are above it all. You find it refreshing, well this forum was refreshing over two years ago also. Certain times there will be flare ups, that's being men. Though my question always has remained, why post scams in this forum and why post womens profiles in this forum. In the search of being just, as I can quote you above you see at is you want to. We know there are scams, we know there are women and men scammers, this is now surprise to any of us here. Navarreman1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/11/2007 5:28:38 PM   Above it all??? I admitted my errors and apologized. I fail to see how that puts me above anybody. As for singling you out... "Nasfan et. al.," is the term I used and you are the one I am having this discussion with. I therefore appropriately addressed it primarily to you. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/12/2007 6:46:02 AM   I'm going to let this die. I understand the et al, thank you. Just reread your above post 10.06.2007 11:10:29. Where you said I was one of them. Then go back and reread the thread you are referring to. I may be terse and succinct, but I don't wantonly hammer a new guy. Plus if you define that as hammering, when it was not directed at you, or any individual in the thread.I have a difficult time, why anyone would get involved in any transaction with total strangers, whether it be here in the states or abroad. Just remember this is a MAN'S FORUM. I'm not a member of the new, Metrosexual, the New Castrate' or looking for a kinder and gentler forum. Or where many think you have to play well with others to succeed in what you are searching for. Some guys here are serious, some are just wasting some time. Some come in here to provoke people and I don't understand their existence in this forum. Then newest of the cretins is Monada which I think is a former member under a new name. Everyone is going to get flamed once in a while, it's just the nature of the beast. The bottom line is, no one here is successful until she steps on your soil and says I do. Then that's just the beginning.The easiest part of this is the K1 process and after that the real work begins. MIKE00 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/27/2007 2:40:43 PM   asfan i read back in the posts mate as you say of me iam a bit shocked well you mentioned something about wealth what i earn / what i do mate well no hogwash about me brother i can easy put the approoval / certified proven stamp to all done in russia . Ive met about 25 guys in 8 years marrying dating russian girls i still am in contact with around 16 of them yes helped em a lot --i learnt from them to ( personally i dont give a flying f---k WHAT YOU THINK OF ME OR MY SITUATION ! I reinterate the fact I NEVER WENT THERE TO MARRY ANYBODY MATE ! MY JOB HAS TAKEN ME TO 33 COUNTRIES SINCE SEPTEMBER 1996 some of those places ive been 6/ 9 times each Russia 15 times i get job and the free time and the crumpet to go with it ! my job at one time seen me away average 184 days a year ( what would be the point in being married ?) yu'd never be home and i like to enjoy/ savour my time with my girl . it suits me --i came into big problems the may 1st to may 14th trip but 80% caused by the dear's family and a third party !------not so much by her --she just played follow the leader = easy way out ! and russians dont like confrontation as a rule ! Navaraman ive patched up the blanket so to speak ive saved the relationship ( thanks partialy to your help and yuri) -iam back on track i leave for russia for a 6 week stay 17th july . yes i said die i was ready to toss the towel no doubt about that ! but at least i tossed 1 more egg into the basket and tried to save the ship ---and in a state of gross depression . disshonesty and me --just dont share the same bus seat !! twas not so much the fact of the $$$ getting bled from me from family --its the non apprieciation that gets me down ( comes from being an honest bloke ) in that country you can have 500 sitting in the park -----but your all on your own = your unique because your honest . Aussieman to you mate -------you know as much about russia you DORK as i do about building a NUKE ! BE TOLD IRIOT --------I HAVE NEVER HAD IN MY ENTIRE LIFE A VISION OF BRINGING ANY GIRL MARRYING HER TO THE SHORES OF AUSTRALIA ! A HOLIDAY YES but i still stand 1000% firm on the fact that if iam going to spend the rest of my days with my golden girl then il be living in Russia ( not a western country ) ive no intention polluting her to western ways. just for the record ive asked mine maybe 5/7 times would you like to come live in Australia . that question puts her in a real sour mood ! so i gave up asking it = hence the myth they all want to leave -err they dont you know ! Navaraman iam still working on the wee book on russian life , people , scams the wroughts etc its 51 pages so far . thats why you have not seen me on hear much ( iam writing something for the gratefull ) Nasfan you have a great habit of being able to upset me - not many can iam not a 5/7k 3 week rockafeller in russia mate ------i dont think you absorbed 1 word what ive said in the last year -------i spend my bux because i work hard and i like to enjoy it ! is there a problem with that with you ! Mans only a bum in this world if he wants to be ! now iam not on average going to turn up to a bird in a strange land ( like a kiwi i'd do ! ask her to go halves in a cab fare ) i wont insult a bird like some would . Just for your diary il match euro's against your dollars anyday !--at the end of all in life its a fact you always pay ! man pays for crumpet you know --if they never had the entertainment area below the belt and a nice pair of tits -----they'd all be in the council tip --tis a fact ! MAN WITH THE MONEY = GETS THE HONEY = FACT - NO BUX I DONT GO SIMPLE ! no good pretending in life as your only then telling yourself a lie . Kiwi girls your joking tap em on the shoulder thier pants fall down --trouble is for the next 29 guys that night they get the same result from that bird ----loyalty kiwi bird --you jest surely !!!!sux / bux / jandels / poverty - kiwi bird is a ten plate for disaster ! Same as aussie birds tripple chin jobs age 35 plus they keep jenny craig in business the fatties the 3 divorces the 6 kids --------are you IN DEAR yes he moans !! ohh!!! she says !! yu better off with a sheep ( kiwi's know all about that --AYYY !!) I lived with one for 4 weeks -it whined like a DC3 engine moaned about spending two bob head cases that make the russians look perfect ! THEY COME THE MIND GAMES yu dont luv me no more !! yu sat down to watch tv you know - who needs that shit . they want yu morgaged up to your neck a car same as johns next door ( who just won the tattslotto )die in dept for a Boiler get abused in the deal for free -expectations cast upon you that superman would have trouble keeping up with . get it right sun --kiwis on hear going to russia is same criteria we leave australia to get away from ''clean out birds '' to get away from deciet = who needs it when in a far off land you have style - lovely girls . NASFAN YOU ARE CORRECT MATE ON A COUPLE POINTS --------YES THEY ALL DID SURVIVE JUST FINE BEFORE WE CAME ALONG ---------SO I STILL STICK TO MY GUNS NOW THAT MANY GO THERE WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO PROP UP THE FAMILIES NEST ! Wheather you / me or fred blogs earns 40k a year or 220k its beside the point if by some miracle i did marry my girl ----( look i dont think itl happen and it would take her 12 months to talk me into it ) i repeat i WILL not marry the family - rellies in need = pain in the arss -----id give $100 to a begger in the street in st petersburg before id give that 100 to my girls old man as he is on the ''sob'' . Reason being is he aint broke --not by a long shot th Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Trip of a lifetime!!!
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