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Author Post Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/12/2010 3:37:48 AM   RB, AOB & RW Globe are reknowned pay-per-letter scam sites, staff of their affiliate agencies sitting in offices writing letters that the ladies in profiles often have no knowledge of, I know of one such affiliate agency whereas the ladies are persuaded to sign up because, when the men come travelling, they may expect expensive gifts etc. But, any of these international dating sites, such as AOB and RW, need affiliate agencies to provide the ladies and your figures above serve to establish that there are more agencies in Ukraine than Russia and, taking population figures in to account, there is something wrong with that picture and, I know from previous inside knowledge, you'll be looking at profiles of ladies that have no wish to leave their homeland and are merely profiling for what they can make out of it. Think about it RB, you could set up an agency from your living room in Ukraine, persuade the ladies to profile for you tempting them with all the gifts they may subsequently receive, then you affiliate with the likes of AOB and RW, all these suckers come along paying $5 per letter, I know that RW pay 50% of their fee to the agency, you employ some local ladies to sit at a couple of PC's in your living room just turning these $5 letters around, I believe the suckers also pay $5 to receive a letter, that's what happens in Ukraine RB and I've seen it for myself. Best advice is to stay away from the international sites and search for agencies in specific cities, Kherson Girls is one that springs to mind, an American guy who moved to Ukraine and set up a genuine agency many years ago and before the likes of AOB & RW jumped on the scam bandwagon. Australia Man Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/12/2010 10:07:20 AM   i think martin speeks a lott of sense on this forum ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/12/2010 10:15:13 AM   Again, you evade the question. It is now me that will ask you not to take offence, but this is one reason why many people resent you. They come here with genuine problems, and you come up with correct data, but you evade and thus not answer the question. This is not a subject that is critical, but others have come here with genuine problems. You don't see the question. You are only concerned that you are correct. Yes, you are correct, but you did not answer the question. I do not dispute all your claims. In fact your claims prove my point. The main reason people go to Ukraine more to get a result of a happy ending or a scam is there are more dating sites, and thus more women available in Ukraine. The visa is just secondary. If if there is 10,000 Ukrainian women in the websites and 5,000 Russian women and we assume a 10% response, then there will be 1,000 men going to Ukraine and 500 going to Russia. It is not rocket science. Yes, there are probably more available women in Russia in numbers, but they are not known to people who respond. While the visa might deter some men from going to Russia and go to Ukraine, it is because there are more Ukrainian women in the websites than Russians, not because of the visa. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/12/2010 11:27:00 AM   RB, I didn't deliberately evade your question and, going back and reading your question an answer to it doesn't spring to mind. I guess to answer it I would have to put my mind back to when I started out as a newbie, I can't rember much but it was a totally different industry then, there is more on Google than there was then but, unlike now, the search results were not monopolised by these mega sites including international sites and such sites get to the top of Google because they pay Google for it. But there can be a way, let's say one were planning a trip to Russia then, one by one, go through the Russian cities Googling for 'Omsk Agency' etc. etc. etc. and then going through the results and, ulimately, a guy might take a two cities trip to Russia after soucing lady(s) via city agency(s). I can't say that I would think of this were I a newbie now, I'd probably be suckered in by what one sees on the websites, but were I to start it all over again, with what I've seen, what I read on a forum such as this where "Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine" monopolises the conversation it wouldn't take much for me to realise that it might be beneficial to look elsewhere, I even did this back in the old days, my first two trips to FSU were to Uzbekistan, hands up any guys reading this that had even thought of a trip to Uzbekistan, I doubt very few of you. But, as a number of guys have indicated, one doesn't meet a lady nor develop a relationship from behind a keyboard, one needs to get out there and if one went without trying to meet ladies via the internet first then one wouldn't be so sickered in to travelling to Ukraine. P.S. I just went to a free dating site, scammers and agencies do profile on there but, in the main, it is independent genuine ladies that profile without needing to pay or being coerced by corruption, Age 18-99 with photos, Ukraine = 3808, Russia = 9780, now that's a more realistic figure RB! Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/12/2010 11:53:38 AM   RB, I just revisited that free dating site, it is a site that I frequented in the old days, and here are the figures, by countries. of ladies: Ukraine 3808 Russia 9780 Armenia 22 Azerbaijan 62 Belarus 951 Georgia 42 Kazhakstan 433 Kyrgyzstan 68 Moldova 208 Takikstan 3 Turkmenistan 25 Uzbekistan 490 I'd trust the figures from that site better, there still seems too many from Ukraine, but, on that site, there are 15,892 ladies profiling of which 3,808 are from Ukraine, 3,808 represents a mere 24% of all the ladies available yet an estimated 80%, or more, of guys are all chasing just 24% of the ladies available! ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/12/2010 12:53:26 PM   I know you didn't deliberately evade the question. It is because you are wrong and you are trying to answer it in a way which you can be right. The question is not whether or not you trust the website. The websites are full of scammers. People answer the scammers. People visit the scammers. Still, there are more Ukrainians in these websites than Russians. Why is it that you didn't disclose your website? The fact of the matter is if you google FSU ladies, the websites I mentioned pop up. I was ready to throw in the towel and admit you are right and I am wrong when Mr. Durak showed the Elena's Models numbers. But, I remember running the numbers a while back. OK. I'll give you a chance. What is your website? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/12/2010 2:39:27 PM   RB, I'm not here to commercially advertise, I'll PM it to you. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/12/2010 2:46:01 PM   Psssst, RB, Didn't I mention that a couple of idiots put it in the mind of the cops that I didn't have a girlfriend, similar crap to what gets posted on this forum, however the cops investigated and found the required evidence that she does exist. I think I mentioned earlier in this thread that my days of searching the FSU profiles are long since passed, oh if only everybody could learn to read and write like us educated people do. :) ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/13/2010 12:07:28 AM   Change the subject, Martin? I'll go along with that. I do remember when I asked you if you worked for fiance.com. I must have asked you a dozen times. I even told you it was a one word answer - yes or no. You never gave me an answer. Olga saved you on that one by deleting our posts. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/13/2010 4:09:13 AM   RB, That question if I worked for this website was such a bumbass question it didn't warrant a reply! ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/13/2010 10:56:02 AM   You were in this website all the time answering questions. It was not just me who had that question. More than one person, contacted me through PM suspecting such. What harm could it have done to answer? The answer was just three letters for yes and two letters for no. Did you ever hear of the saying that there is only one question that is a stupid question. Do you know what that is Martin? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/13/2010 11:21:22 AM   RB, It's bullshit to suggest that I am, or was, in this website all the time, all the time is 24 hours a day, 7 days a week etc. and any such suggestion is nonsense. One idiot alleged, amongst all his other stupid allegation, that I worked for the site and you jumped on his bandwagon. You talk of PM's, I too received PM's and emails from other members around that time also, they were ridiculing you for being so stupid even asking the question, never mind repeatedly demanding an answer to it, other members laugh at you RB! And, when you finally conceded that you had been mistaken in your belief, I didn't comment on it but another member wrote to me, again, criticizing you, he claimed that you were wiggling out of it rather than standing up, being a man, and admitting that you had been 100% mistaken. I don't know where this mentality of yours comes from, that you feel entitled to expect, demand, answers to your dumbass questions, nobody here is under any obligation to answer to questions from other members and that other member should consider it a privilidge, not a right, if he asks a question and subsequently receives a reply. I answered your most recent question, as best I could, so I have no idea you you are going off on one! RodanTsunami Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/13/2010 11:35:40 AM   Why don't ya'll just have your own "Romance Tour" and stop the endless writing to each other. Ya'll have given the advice that endless writing is meaningless. Ya'll are like 2 dogs barking and growling through a chain link fence,,,, running along the length of it until you get to an open gate....... Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/13/2010 11:40:03 AM   Rodan, I'm not growling, I'm merely trying to shake him free from snapping at my ankles :) ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/13/2010 12:34:36 PM   Being a man and admit that I was mistaken about what? My belief? I didn't say you worked for fiance.com. I asked because I didn't know. When you ask, it is because you don't know. Why is it that you answer all the questions and not this one? Tell me, Martin. What is a dumbass question? Why are you in a public forum if you don't want to answer questions? I can see that if they get personal, but it is hardly that. Who is the judge or authority on what is a dumbass question? Is it only he who calls himself "Smart"? If you don't want to answer, why not just ignore me instead of calling my question dumbass and going into stories with others on what a dumbass I am? Or just tell me you don't want to answer? Do you do this to others? Do you do this to children? What do you do this to the mentally challenged? What harm could it have done just to answer? It would have been over with. It was not just the next day that I came to the conclusion that you didn't work for them. It was months later when you had an argument with admin. I believe that the question of whether was a legitimate one. OK, it's not "all the time," but you were answering many questions. I admit you know many technicalities and you helped some, but you piss many off because you think you know everything and are unwilling or lack the capacity to go beyond your rigid beliefs. I believe you are mistaken when you say that people go Ukraine instead of Russia because of the visa. You cannot prove that with anything you came up with. Yet you can't admit that. Again, this is not a big deal, but I want to know the real answer. My gf is from Ukraine. You are using this to take a stab at Ukraine now and then in favor of Russia and other FSU countries. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/13/2010 1:01:57 PM   I can't be bothered with you RB, you have to be one of the most boring individuals I have ever come across, get a life at stop picking bones at every situation you come across. Here's a question for you, it is something that I have heard but I do not know if it is true ..... Is it true that Filipino men have smaller penis's that white western men? ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/13/2010 1:13:11 PM   I don't know the answer to that one, Martin. I think someone might have just told you that to make you feel better about yours. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/15/2010 11:28:40 AM   That quieted you down. It's true, isn't it? Was that a dumbass question or you are allowed those since you are "Smart."? Martin, people are going to great lengths to get back at you. Someone has threatened your life. Another went to another website impersonating you and threatened to kill people. I saw a picture of your face cut and pasted into a naked man, barely 18. You must ask yourself. Is it all their fault or are you at least partly to blame? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/15/2010 12:11:38 PM   13.06.2010 13:01:57 I can't be bothered with you RB, you have to be one of the most boring individuals I have ever come across, get a life at stop picking bones at every situation you come across. ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/15/2010 1:39:02 PM   You could call it boring, but this is serious. What other serious things in your past and present life have you called boring because it was too difficult to admit? 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