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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > New honest English owned Ukraine Dating Agency Author Post beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2011 4:43:17 PM   @Durak....I am very surprised you got 'baited' into this thread. It is about as useless as a doorknob in a house with no doors. Maybe you can judge based on same exact post in two different forums: http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&forumid=1&top icid=5526 71 replys http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13685.0 1(corrected)reply I may not be the sharpest tool.....but I do know the difference between a remedial class and an AP class....an elementary school and an elite university. Would your skills be better used elsewhere?? JMHO... Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2011 5:28:29 PM   Here you go RB ... unveiled in London earlier today: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/04/ronald-reagan-honour ed-london-statue I've posted this to make a point that what some may find relevant and important to themselves others will feel the same to be irrelevant and unimportant. Me, I don't care for Reagan after his influencing of the US Grand Jury impacted upon my career and my much loved ex boss, I shall state this but I won't attack you or criricize you with it, similarly each time this forum starts to discuss US politics, absolutely nothing to do with FSU dating, I become bored to tears and each time the discussion may become racist I become offended ... however I deal with these issues and try to accommodate them. Then along comes a plonker like durak pretencing to be a knowledgeable authority on the UK nationality, so what if he, or the average American, has no interest in such a subject, I couldn't give a damn for US politics and/or racism, the point I'm making is since when has this become durak's, or an American (only), forum where he decides what others are allowed to post, discuss etc? Amen urcan1971 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2011 6:10:39 PM   Canada is part of USA and Quebec belongs to France,we all know that Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2011 6:40:46 PM   I'm truly struck by the timing of a short film on TV as I write this, on a British TV show called Newsnight. In it, a gentleman called Fergal Keane has, in light of the "West Lothian Question", investigated the concept of English identity juxtaposed to Britishness. He referenced various media interpretations of the many intricate, complex facets of the issue, including the film "Passport To Pimlico", and "Nor Shall My Sword", a book about "The Reinvention Of England". To quote one review of which: "As an Englishman who lived in Scotland for 5 years... I have long thought the Union to be dead. Most Scots I met were in favour of complete independence. Simon Heffer's book is refreshing in that it does not make apologies for the Union or argue for it's conservation. It does not view England merely as a constituent part of Britain or the United Kingdom, but as a country in its own right, and one which would itself be far better off, financially, culturally, in every way, outside the Union." Anyway, I digress. The short film (made by an Irishman) leads to a debate hosted by Jeremy Paxman (an Englishman), although it does also involve such luminaries as author Owen Jones, ex MP Michael Portillo, music producer Don Letts, and MSP (That's Member of Scottish Parliament) Joan McAlpine, who's opening statement was that "Britishness was a policital construct", as part of her argument that the concept of Britain was essentially a method of colonisation by the nation of England. What I like about this piece is that it truly attempts to explore the different aspects of what seems to be agreed by all involved to be a fluid, evolving question. Despite having more knowledge on the subject than anyone on this thread, or indeed on this forum, not one person involved in the debate, or the very well researched and factually supported film, claims to have the answers, or even that such definite answers and definitions exist. But I guess they must all be wrong, because there's people here who can type their opinions, so that's the end of that, then! (BTW, for those that want to see it, the show should be on IPlayer, the online media player made by the British Broadcasting Corporation, who's head office is in London, England - just fyi) Oink oink! Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2011 7:15:52 PM   Muzzy, BBC 'British Broadcasting Corporation? ... Nope, it's EBC 'England Broadcasting Crap' :) In the future, when you may watch one or more of the national teams playing football, with the likes of Gary Lineker commentating, start counting how many times England are referred to as "we", "us", "our" etc. Then watch the same commentator(s) commenting on a Scotland, Wales or N. Ireland game where those teams will be referred to as Scotand, Wales or N. Ireland and rarely, if ever, as "we", "us", "our" etc. And one may wonder why the Jocks and Taffs get pee'ed off? :) Another classic is these companies that claim to, advertise as, being registered in England ... Well Companies House for England & Wales, where all these companies are registered, is in Cardiff .... there isn't one single company registered in England, these companies are, officially, registered in England & Wales. Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/4/2011 10:56:48 PM   As an American on July 4th, I'm glad some of my ancestors had the foresight to correct the error of their British/English/Whatever citizenship. Happy Independence Day Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2011 3:10:55 AM   Ivor, I said the BBC's head office was in London, not that they were registered there. There are also plenty of UK and American companies registered in The Caymens and Liechtenstein, but we all know why, don't we? I'd say a more accurate reason Scots and the Welsh get pee'd off is when people call them Jocks and Taffs, both arrest-able terms under racism and discrimination laws. Batman, there's actually no such country as America. I think you'll find that America is a continent, and the country you're referring to is the USA, as in United States of America! And I'll stab any racist who says otherwise!!! grrr... ragingbull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2011 3:56:30 AM   Batman didn't state that there was a country called America. He stated "As an American". What else would you call us? United Statesians? That would be a proper substitute, but American is the accepted term. America is also accepted as a synonym for United States of America. When one says America, he is usually talking about the USA. If he is talking about one of the two continents, he usually specifies, North America or South America. Ivor, the reason I started a thread on Ronald Reagan was because of his contribution to stomp out communism in the Soviet Union, not to discuss American politics, although it might have strayed. I doubt if it would have happened without him. He was at it as early as 1964. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pbp0hur9RU Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2011 4:17:26 AM   Muzzy, And the likes of EBay & Paypal (Europe) are registered in (15% VAT) Luxembourg ... and who can blame them :) You know the scandal of such companies as Tesco and Boots whereas we spend our hard earned monies in such stores but they have offshoot companies in Switzerland whereas they are syphoning off the profits to these Swiss offshoots to pay as little in UK taxes as is possible? You mention this calling of Jocks, Taffs etc. as pee-ing them off, well it depends on how it is said and despite working and living with such identities during my life I've never had any such problem. As an example when I lived in Luxembourg, 40% of the population of Luxembourg are foreigners, the pub was Irish, the bar manager from Wales, Frank who did the pub quizzes was from Glasgow, other friends were Danish, Burger, Icelandic, French, Kiwi, Australian etc. etc. etc, and of an evening in one group there would be so many different natuionalities and identities one might imagine the informal bantering that went on between us such as "English Tw@t", "Sheep Shagger" etc. etc. etc. :) Indeed one night, in my car, we had an Englishman, a Welshman, a Scotsman and an Irishman ... he was an Irish man and not an Irelandishman, and the banter between us was hilarious, then there was good friend Olivier from France, I renamed him 'Kermit' and this name for him began to catch on so he just 'loved' me ... not! Well in the pub we had a swear jar, only LUF20 per swear word, well I wound Olivier up so much one evening he deposited the entire contents of his wallet in the swear jar before he let rip on me ..... and it was all in good fun and with no offence intended nor taken! And as for English Money, it might have 'Bank of England' written on it but it certainly isn't English, I can tell you where the Royal Mint (that makes this money) is, it's not far from where I am now and there's a bloke named Tom Jones that lives just down the road from it. :) Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2011 2:12:08 PM   I must confess I'm a little confused. Not that I dislike the anecdotes, Ivor, but I'm struggling to see how they relate to your original point. Allow me to attempt clarification. Is it still your opinion that there is no nationality as English, to the extent that it is improper for anyone to identify themselves as "an Englishman", and that ANYONE who contravenes this is being ignorant or dishonest, sufficient to cause domestic unrest? Just so I know whether the opinion has moved on or not. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2011 4:13:19 PM   Muzzy, The BIG problem is that ignorant foreigners believe these islands to be 'England', the BBC broadcast as if these islands are 'England' and people from 'England' go around portraying these islands as 'England', their nationality as 'English' and this causes a BIG problem. On another forum recently a youngster came out with the statement that, after London, Birmingham is UK's 2nd city ..... All these 'England' people just couldn't get where I was coming from when I stated that Brum is England's, not UK's, 2nd city, some of them only got the point when I suggested they go and stand in the centre of Glasgow on a drunken Saturday night, tell these people that their 1st and 2nd cities are London and Brum, and they'll be likely to find out what a 'Glaswegian Kiss' is! When I lived in Luxembourg all the Europeans laugh at the island mentality of the British people and, once I came to realise they were right, I was laughing at the dumbasses that emit from these islands also ..... some should never be allowed abroad. This English, Scottish, Welsh etc. are merely domestic identities, once out of these islands we are international and travelling on British nationality passports, the Scots and Welsh are still going to identify themselves as Scots and Welsh but only because they're so peed-ed off that it is the people from England that continue to maintain this nationality ignorance. As for any suggestion that to say 'Taff' is offensive or illegal is nonsense, I am surrounded by 'Taff's', Cynon Taff, Taff Wells, the River Taff that flown down the valley, thru Cardiff, and past the Millenium Stadium, how can 'Taff' be offensive or illegal, they call each other that themselves! Reminds me of Guy Gibson's 'Dambusters' dog's name, sometimes it is dubbed from rescreenings of this 1950's film whilst the do-gooders complain we can't repeat this steeped in history name, I won't say the name but the dog was black and here is a picture of it's grave at RAF Scampton where it was buried as the Dambusters bouncing bomb raid was taking place (eliminate any spaces in links): http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafscampton/rafcms/mediafiles/gallery/D64 8980D_1143_EC82_2EAEFA2F14E561EB/niggers_grave_large.jpg But look on the bright side ... at least the Dutch didn't name a street after the dog :) http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5019/5456885980_c1eba0c19d.jpg Muzzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2011 5:02:34 PM   All interesting points, and surely worthy of discussion (a discussion which, as I alluded to earlier, still goes on and is increasingly welcomed by authoritative minds). You must understand, though, that your original and subsequent posts seemed to state that this question is done and dusted, and that no opinion contrary to yours could be acceptable by any right thinking person. This is why I'm pressing you to answer my question. I don't actually want to get 'into it', but you've strenuously made a point, and insulted people for disagreeing with you, so now I'm asking you to clarify your position. I'll simply ask again, Is it still your opinion that there is no nationality as English, to the extent that it is improper for anyone to identify themselves as "an Englishman", and that ANYONE who contravenes this is being ignorant or dishonest, sufficient to cause domestic unrest? I'll answer the issues regarding international perceptions and acceptance of terminology later, but for now I'm going to stay on this point. I'd appreciate an answer specific to the question I've asked. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2011 5:28:33 PM   Muzzy, Presuming that you were born in England please take a look at the back page of your passport and tell me what your, UK government property passport, states your nationality as being? I'm not about to go digging around for my birth certificate with everything, here, packed in boxes but I'm pretty damn sure that it will identify England born as 'British' also, to be correct, by government documentation, we should never refer to ourselves as any identity other than British. However not everything is taken by the book and amongst ourselves we may make references to English, Scottish, Welsh, Glaswegian, Aberdonian, Scouser, Mancunian, Geordie, Brummie, Cockney etc. etc. etc. but do any of these, domestic only, references change or impact upon our nationality? Meanwhile, as a footnote to the Americans, I've got the movie 'United 93' on TV in the background, these events still horrify and may I say what a pleasure it is to know that the a-hole responsible for these horrific events has, quite recently, been deprived of the privilege of breathing oxygen ..... Amen! durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/5/2011 9:06:55 PM   Ivor, I don't like to be mean-spirited. I'm pedantic enough to annoy lots of people, and my profession is exceedingly rule-focused. I have lots of ideas about the correct/best/logical way to do things, and often wish that the unwashed masses would simply see things my way. Because of this, my karma is to accept that the world is a messy place, where millions of blokes don't adhere to my sensible thinking. By the way, this messiness is true in spades within the Russian-speaking world. Anyone going there expecting folks to "follow the rules" can look forward to some massive education. There's nothing wrong with people identifying themselves by their passport nationality -- and at the same time, a hell of a lot of people prefer to identify their affiliation differently, for reasons that seem quite adequate to them. In particular, it seems to me that many from Northern Ireland (whose country, you clearly stated above, is Ireland) not only call themselves Irish ... but indeed would find being labelled as "British" (notwithstanding that their passports say "British" for Nationality) offensive and distasteful in the extreme. I suppose one could lecture them about the error of their ways, but really, what's the point? Well, if you want to persist in being sn enforcer for the British Nationality Police, keeping the world safe from politically incorrect patriotism (that being a literal term for identification with country) -- I wouldn't stand in your way, even if I could. Grandma Blodwyn remains safely Welsh! Huck Finn Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/6/2011 12:37:44 AM   The English/British topic is the same as all FSU peoples are considered Russian by much of the world and all homage is to Moscow. All the FSU speaks Russian and UK speaks English. Further by many, all Americans are considered to be "cowboys". Is it Napoleon complex on a grand scale to be so offended by those that are not aware of the daily resentment of their big brother casting a long shadow. While you argue with your brother over trivial things and semantics, you loose what is really your most common thread. You are blinded to what will become most detrimental to your culture and way of life. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/6/2011 4:01:40 AM   durak, Some 10 or so years ago, i was living north-east London (ish) and one job I did there was a girl from Wales working there .... when it came to our turn to work together, she didn't know I had previously lived in Wales and still owned a house in Wales, she, literally immediately, let me know that us 'English' are ignorant and we simply don't understand what it means to be 'Welsh'. Well after that first shift of some 8 hours working whilst chatting together she actually had the balls to admit to me that perhaps I did understand and for an 'English' person perhaps I'm not so bad ..... over the next few months our friendship developed whereas we would always be volunteering to work with each other and, despite her hatred of the 'English', we would occupy our shifts getting the job done but with good atmosphere. I'm not going to change the world, I'm not trying to nor am I going to achieve it, but you'll have to excuse me if I have just a little understanding of the Scotland and Wales prospective here and I have much agreement with them that many of my fellow countryfolk are ignorant dumbasses. :) Bob Roy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/6/2011 9:37:18 AM   Quality piece of random discussion here. For what it's worth i'm Scottish, born in Scotland and consider myself Scottish. Scotland is my country and on govenment documents I can choose white Scottish as ethnicity. We have sterling pounds printed as bank of scotland, our own language, our own government, our own flag, our own laws and our own national sports teams. However, i'm also British.........work that out!! Bob Roy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/6/2011 9:38:24 AM   Quality piece of random discussion here. For what it's worth i'm Scottish, born in Scotland and consider myself Scottish. Scotland is my country and on govenment documents I can choose white Scottish as ethnicity. We have sterling pounds printed as bank of scotland, our own language, our own government, our own flag, our own laws and our own national sports teams. However, i'm also British.........work that out!! Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/6/2011 9:41:10 AM   Huck Finn, English is the national language of England, not the national language of UK. I am on mainland UK, a mere 150 (ish) miles from London, and the national language where I am is NOT English, Welsh is the national language and English is the 2nd language and in the hills and more to the north the people speak only Welsh! Huck Finn Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/6/2011 10:48:40 AM   Ivor, I understand yet I think you missed my point. That is, your British history is complex and quite old. You, as a people, seem to proclaim your differences to be basic and any misspoken word to be intolerable and then you become overly tolerant of those that have no history within the Isles and no respect for that history, regardless of how strained or even violent it may be. As said by a Statesman in America 160 years ago, "A house divided cannot stand". Your biggest threat is being imported and that threat has no interest in assimilating in a manner that will be tolerant of any of the nations with the empire. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > New honest English owned Ukraine Dating Agency
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