WOW Looney: I just read your post above. Thats ALL you've done in FOUR TRIPS?? I did beeter than that on my FIRST trip. You have barely gotten your feet wet and and a ranked amateur. On some trip you spent a whole 1 1/2 hours with a girl TOTAL!?!?! Thats pathetic. Now I see why you are so jealous of me.
Compare YOUR tales of woe to my experiences.
First trip to Odessa Ukraine October 2003 - I meet and date just TWO girls at a Romance Social. One was a single date. The other ended up becoming my fiance late, coming to America for three months - she and I have been to Florida together, Bulgaria, Yalta.
Second trip - April 2004 - Chisinau Moldova, just to see the girl I had met at the Romance Social. We spent two weeks together 24/7, but I nearly ended the relationship because he mother was a battle axe.
Third trip - October 2004 - Riga Latvia, tried going without a Romance Social and no contacts whatsoever. By far the LEAST successful trip I ever took. Spent first week in internet cafe. Second week dating gorgeous 20 year old. But also on phone to Moldovan most of that week. Decided I had to see her again.
Fourth trip - January 2005 - Spent two wonderful weeks 24/7 with gorgeous Moldovan girl - stayed at a private mini hotel - with private sauna and pool. Stayed away from battleaxe mother. Had two of the best weeks of my life.
ALL of my subsequent trips two or three times a year - were spent with same gorgeous Moldovan until we broke up in 2007 (temporarily) and I went to another Romance Social in Mariupol. Met another gorgous girl. Spent next two years, two or three trips a year with her 24/7. She met me at airport and saw me off - meanwhile we went Lviv, Kiev and Yalta together. Always with each other. Talked of marriage. Was supposed to make commitment in 2009.
In January 2009, I decided I had to see Moldovan girl who I had kept in contact with contantly, one last time before I could commit myself to Mariupol girl. Very difficult decsion so I had to be sure. Took Moldovan girl to Kiev - where I happened to be spotted by sister of Mariupol girl, continued on to Yalta, where Moldovan girl made very clear over and over that she wanted to marry me. But I couldn't as I still had feeling for Mariupol girl. Mariupol girl relationship effectively ended, though I DID take her to Turkey in 2009. Not a good trip.
ONLY in 2010, 2011 and 2012 have I attended Romance Socials. But didn't often take them seriously. In 2010 I had Social in Kharkov, but Moldovan girl asked if she could join me for a day or two, I said okay but that I was going to try to meet somebody new and that was why I was at Romance Social. Moldovan girl ended up staying with me, in my hotel room almost the entire two weeks of the Romance Social. I defy ANYONE to meet a new girl - when you have one you still care about waiting for you in your room and in bed, as soon as the Social event is over.
I finally INSISTED she leave and go back to Moldova - so that I could attend the LAST Social event unimpeded. But it was no use. My mind was on her.
In 2011 I attended Romance Socials in Nikolae and Kherson - but as soon as plane landed I was on the phone to Mariupol girl, who very much wanted to see me, as I wanted to see her. Blew off Socials not even dating a single girl - and took $270 taxi ride to Mariupol to see ex.
Looney - If I had experiences just like you describe above, I would give up on Ukraine and consider the trips to be failures.
In around 20 trips - there were only about 6 of them when I WASN'T with one single gorgeous girl 24/7 from the moment I landed until I took off again.
By the way - my Moldovan girl I have know for ten years. In fact I just recieved an email from her this morning. We were engaged twice - only after 2011 when she could not wait any longer - she met a man from Romania and in five months got married. She tells me that she doesn't love him but got sick of waiting.
I was last with her in September of 2010. If I have any regrets about this whole thing it is in letting that one get away.
The other girl - my ex from Mariupol, I met in 2007, and I came very close to seeing her again on my most recent trip to Ukraine. I was in Kiev for nearly a week as my girl sorted some things out in her grandmother's village. This "ex" wanted to see me in Kiev and I was sorely tempted. Rather than to deceive my current girl I actually ASKED her if she minded if I saw my (2007-2008) ex. To my incredible surprise she said it was ALRIGHT and she said she trusted me. "Just don't go in a bed with her!" she texted me.
I would have had to fly her up from Donetsk - which was actually easy and cheap to do - just $165 and I could have had a round trip ticket waiting for her at the Donetsk Airport. But SLEEPING ARRANGEMENTS proved to be tricky. I proposed getting two hotel rooms, just to let my girl know that I was honorable. But of course it wouldn't matter if I took 100 hotel rooms, if she and I had wanted to sleep together we could have. Getting two hotel rooms wouldn't prove anything to anybody.
My Mariupol girl hated the idea of hotel rooms - she wanted us to get an apartment together for that week. SURE it would be REAL easy convincing my current girl that I hadn't slept with my ex, in a shared apartment (sarcasm of course).
In the end I just said "Forget it." There was no way in the world this could work without damage. So she stayed in Mariupol.
And its a good thing, because when my current girl came she was like a detective looking for any evidence that I might have been sleeping with another girl. (I WASN'T - HONEST!)
Quite honestly it might have worked out for the best if I had broken up with my current girl (age 21) and gone back to my ex (age 32). A 23 year age difference is a lot more marriagable than a 34 year age difference.
I noticed many trials and trails to find a suitable partner from everyone, but who is hitting the snooze button and losing? A guy with serious intentions engaging to beautiful scammer or cold heart Pro! How about the other way around? If I don’t find it here ( FSU ) there are others places. Real people do buy or sell their love. Getting a win-win relationship is no piece of cake when there is risks involve. Oh well, c'est la vie!
I didn’t give a detailed account of my trips, I gave a minimal accounting of it,, and just of the women I came to see.
On the first trip, I spent 8 of the 22 days sick in a hotel, I almost died.
This last year, I spent most of my time in the room sick. At least 50% of the people I encountered were sick, everybody was coughing. My Ex wanted to spend more time with me,, but I had to put her off several times, I didn’t want her to catch it. When I did see her, I sprayed my mouth with Listerine every 15 minutes!! I happen to care about the women in my life!!
“On some trip you spent a whole 1 1/2 hours with a girl TOTAL!?!?! Thats pathetic.”
As ALWAYS,, you’ve got it ALL WRONG!!
That 1.5 hours was the LEAST amount of time I had spent with any of the girls. That particular girl didn’t even know I was in town until the agency woman told her. Once she knew I was there,, I felt an obligation to see her. She was the girl I called the 4th! The 3rd girl,,, I told off in a letter, I don’t ever want to meet her. I also told off the 2nd girl,,, but she still wanted to meet me? We had a nice supper together, and talked for hours, but we were not a match,,, so why continue??
I liked the first girl,, and I felt bad about seeing the others during that trip. I had never seen several girls in the same city at the same time before. I told the interpreter about my concerns,,,, but she assured me that it wasn’t a problem???
For reasons I can not say on the forum,,, I am very glad it did not work out with the first one. But suffice to say,, I couldn’t marry her. Two trips wasted on one dishonest girl!
I just told you about the women I planned to meet,,,, not every detail about every trip!!
For over a week now, you have been continually trying to bait me into saying that I haven’t had sex in Ukraine!! I won’t lie to you,,,, I can’t say that!!!! And No,,, I didn’t pay either! I don’t spend my time on this forum bragging about the sex during the trips,,, and how little it cost me,,,,, to do so, I would be a low life cad!!
In your posts, you keep talking about being with them,,, 24/7 for weeks??!!
Don’t any of your women have a job????
Have you ever thought, that they make their living off of guys like you?? Sure,, we all know how you don’t buy then anything,,, so how do they make ends meet???
“Now I see why you are so jealous of me.”
No Jet,,, you disgust me, and I feel pity for the women you meet!!
Jet, it sounds like you have trouble breaking it off from previous girls, lots of indecisiveness. Maybe you think too much of that song, "it ain't over till its over"......clean breaks and moving on is best.....I hope you think this way...
beemer: You are right. The two women I have been most involved with (jury is still out on the 21 year old) have been part of my life for 4 1/2 and 9 years.
These are too very special women. Both beautiful,
The 21 year old may become number three - but it is admittedly unlikely ONLY because of her age.
Of course there were a few other women I was involved with from Romance Socials - but only since 2010. THESE two comprised all of my visits to Ukraine or Moldova from 2003 to 2010.
Yes, Jet both those two women are your PAST!!!! And as wonderful as those relationships were for you, it is way too difficult to go back if not impossible...you had your chance and for whatever reason you chose not to commit fully.
Now we both know this 21 yr old should not be #3...don't try to convince yourself and as time goes on with her, keep your head on straight....what she is, is FUN...you are having a great time but as milk spoils over time it will have its shelf life, we are not getting any younger!!!!
I just don't get none of this. You are all united in a purpose to find a good woman that is suited to your tastes. For you guys its a Russian/Ukrainian woman. You all have different ideas on how to achieve it. Had bumps in the road, and some have succeeded yet you all put each other down and no matter how hard you try to defend yourselves someone will tear it to pieces and make you appear foolish when in fact there is nothing to feel foolish about.
So what that L.Ranger pays a ridiculous amount of money on ear rings, I would have spend that much on a necklace but its all about individual tastes. Or Jetmba going after a 21 year old girl, wish him the best of luck, its not unheard of. Some ones says the other is all about going over there only for sex, and that person says untrue, I am not. End of story, something somewhere got misconstrued, and if not who cares, let the guy go where ever he wants and bang as much woman as he can, more power to you. For the romantic types who get scammed and angry let them rave and rant how messed up woman are over there, they are in an emotional wreck stage and name calling will just set them over the edge, I was one of those and it takes awhile to get over especially when you were as young as I was.
The negativity that comes with getting mad on a daily basis is not helping your cause to find a mate. This is just my input, anything a stranger in a forum says to you is irrelevant, but the information gained is all that is important and if you can network from those on this forum it is just an added benefit.
How can anyone 'wish' jetmba best of luck with a 21 year old that is 34 years younger then him?????
Jetmba. is a sex tourist, plain and simple.
So blu-craze,
What you're saying to people is, do what jetmba does and have fun and bang as much women as you can, more power for you...Huh???
I think LR1701 is correct, something bad is going to happen to jetmba. ( flee-bag ) coyote..
I think after a while, sex predators like jetmba. coyote get noticed and then, get set up to fall in a big-ugly-way.
Jetmba enters a 3rd World country thats filled with corruption, desperation, vulnerability, HIV, people smuggling, anarchy, etc and gives out advise for others to follow the 'footprints' to success. Huh?
Perhaps jetmba and blu-craze can by-pass the AFA ( biggest bullshit site on the web ) socials and head straight to the action by contacting a local Mamachka to negotiate 'The Deal'
I have no doubt that AFA would be in contact with these Mamachka's to provide women to the AFA socials that jetmba calls ' home '. Ha, ha, ha.
As for the Romantic types, Power To Them, for having scruples and then the brains to figure the filthy system out.
Don't follow fools like jetmba and jump on the AFA tours, because if you do, you will end up like jetmba. coyote, a multipole repeat customer, that, after 10 years World Tripping, is still on his own, but 50 thousand dollars lighter in the pocket..
Lurking in the background is John Adams from AFA with a big grin on his face, rubbing his hands together..You just have to look at the recent tour photos on the AFA website and notice John Adams, arm around a male client with a smirk on his face..John knows, this sucker has paid for his plane fare.
Some say....
That, for jetmba. coyote to earn $590.00 Dollars to buy nice earrings for a lady, he would have to work 5 months straight in the Men's Shitters at the casino's during the daytime and then Shine Shoes at night.