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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Opinions: How the West Should Respond Author Post lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/19/2014 2:05:25 AM   RB,,, April 1st is more than 10 days away,,,, repost that again later. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/19/2014 6:28:19 PM   http://news.yahoo.com/threats-did-not-sway-putin-now-us-tries-033302246.html “In the longer term, the White House faces an uncomfortable self-examination of how it got here. Yet another US look at how to handle President Putin is in order.” Huck Finn Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/19/2014 7:26:23 PM   To call for the question...... The U.S. should repatriate Cuba, re-install missiles in Turkey, dust of the Advanced GLCM and hand them over to N.A.T.O. to be mobilized on it's eastern borders. Coalition forces should remain in Afghanistan, Iraq and add all the Baltic and southern F.S.U. countries in to N.A.T.O. if they desire. Multiple fronts and containment as well as ensuring distribution of oil as well as pay for removing of rogue governments over the same period of time to 1990. WHat is good for the goose in good for the gander. Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/19/2014 7:53:12 PM   Charles Krauthammer: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140317/OPINION01/3031 70005/0/OPINION0352/The-right-way-stop-Putin lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/20/2014 1:58:14 PM   http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/03/19/germany-coopts-putins -anti-ukraine-propaganda/ lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/20/2014 2:01:51 PM   Here is a good article, the author is still using conventional wisdom in regards to Obama,, and doesn’t seem to realize that Obama is working for the enemies of the USA. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/17/editorial-mr- obamas-chickens/ “Obama’s chickens roosting in Ukraine America and the West pay the price for his long sleep.” “Barack Obama’s chickens are roosting in Crimea, and the noisy flapping is likely to expand soon. The president, if he’s paying close attention, is learning the expensive lesson that wishing does not make it so. Hoping for the best is not a strategy for the great power. Russian President Vladimir Putin won his “referendum,” with his army playing poll watchers, and took Crimea away from Ukraine with only cries and a whimper. Mr. Obama says this is “unacceptable” and warns that he will “continue to make clear to Russia that further provocations will achieve nothing except to further isolate Russia and diminish its place in the world.” Mr. Putin, from his point of view, is entitled to his big horse laugh. Russia’s “embrace” of Crimea may not be “acceptable” to Mr. Obama and his men, but it is entirely “acceptable” to Mr. Putin, and that’s the only approval he wants or needs. President Obama’s assertion that “provocations will achieve nothing” is obviously wrong. The Russian provocations have achieved a lot. Mr. Putin now has Crimea, and Mr. Obama has the makings of a cheese omelet all over his face. Mr. Obama signed an executive order Monday to freeze the assets in the United States of seven Russian officials. Now they can’t get to their money. Not only that, but the president is dispatching the vice president to Europe to confer with “international allies.” lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/20/2014 2:02:51 PM   These are the “consequences” that Mr. Obama has been threatening for two weeks. This president really knows how to hurt a guy. Mr. Obama and the West invited this humiliation, working on the strategy that words are action, leaving Mr. Putin to demonstrate that some acts have no consequences. Secretary of State John F. Kerry inadvertently summed up the difference between East and West when he declared March 2 that “you just don’t in the 21st century behave in 19th-century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext.” Even then the Russians were maneuvering for the takeover in Crimea. He was right, of course; only bad people invade other people’s countries. But the world is full of bad people, and this is what this administration resolutely refuses to understand. Mr. Obama imagines that when he draws a red line the bad people in the world will respect it, and when the bad people treat his red line as if it were no more than a schoolgirl’s hopscotch diagram on the sidewalk he is mightily surprised by the consequences. Mr. Putin and the Russians have clearly been taking Mr. Obama’s measure over the past months, with a probe here and a feint there. They’re obviously satisfied that when they push, Mr. Obama retreats. Other bad people are watching, too. Bashar Assad learned that nothing happens when he crushes the opposition in Syria. Iran continues to work on its nuclear weapon — this, too, was “unacceptable” back in the day. Iran continues to arm terrorist militias in north and south, maneuvering to get a stranglehold on Israel. China furiously expands its military, sending warships ever farther into the Pacific, and seizing small islands to provoke Japan and test the American response. It’s all of a piece. If NATO wants to mean anything, it should deploy military forces to Poland and the Baltic states, and the United States should send military aid to Ukraine while there is still time to discourage the Russian appetite for a new Cold War. This should have been done months ago, and Mr. Obama would not be in this predicament, a predicament he may not yet recognize. He must put away his teleprompter and join the rest of us in the real world.” poppy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/20/2014 8:25:02 PM   to put american military in ukraine would be stupid . keep there nose out of it . there will be a civil war in ukraine the country is screwed . wife is so proud of putin where as 6 months ago she was against him . putin is a clever guy ..... three chears for russia ... hip hip horay . suck arse america lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/21/2014 1:29:47 AM   http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/four-steps-nato-can-take-to -support-ukraine lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/21/2014 3:31:47 PM   http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-strategy/201305-putins-quiet-play-fo r-latin-america lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/21/2014 3:34:00 PM   Are there any forum members left that still respect danny42/poopy/DUNT??? lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/22/2014 1:31:15 AM   http://www.globalresearch.ca/forget-russia-dumping-u-s-treasuries-heres-the-real -economic-threat/5374756 MartinPC Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/22/2014 8:51:09 AM   Ouch: Visa and MasterCard have blocked credit card services to some Russian bank customers as a result of US sanctions. Four banks are so far affected, all of which have links to Russians blacklisted by the US. Visa and MasterCard, both US-based companies, are forbidden from having any dealings with those targeted by the sanctions. The banks, which said card services stopped without warning, have described the move as unlawful. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/22/2014 2:41:51 PM   My defense of the US response so far: 1. Putin appears to now be acting as an autocrat. Suppose that other states back him into a corner where his only two options are (A) double down his aggression or (B) humiliating surrender likely to mean his loss of power, possible imprisonment, or perhaps even execution by his countrymen ... what is he going to do? For this reason, over-reacting to Russia's criminality would be a bad mistake. 2. I guess that not more than a few percent of Americans (or Europeans) would judge that it's worthwhile for their sons to be killed or maimed trying to improve the present situation. That being so, empty saber-rattling would be foolish: also, it could move things the wrong direction (see 1 above). 3. Whether the military component of response is large, small, or zero ... the only responses to Russia that are likely to get the job done require that the US and Europe take action Together. Now, Europe has much more to lose from sanctions; is cautious by nature; and has a system where everybody must agree before things happen, which of course takes some time (actually, I'm impressed how quickly the EU has brought 22 member states together on this). For the US to get out far ahead of Europe would be self-defeating at the end of the day; to work in concert with Europe means taking things gradually. 4. When it comes to military (or other security) responses, the intention of applying force is to get Russia to behave. But Russia is famously fearful about security, so a likely side-effect of applying force is to aggravate Russian paranoia and adrenaline, which is likely to move Russia to misbehave even worse. So the application of force must be very judicious, if we don't want a backfire. 5. As I mentioned on another thread, I think that the psychology of successive waves of economic sanctions (as the West seems to be doing) is very strong. We are applying pressure very efficiently, where it is most likely to do some good. 6. The US isn't making a lot of half-cocked statements and promises to or about Russia and its bordering states, which we won't be able to sustain. Now, I've seen a lot of complaining about how Obama's wussiness brought this about, etc. Let me say this about that: it's water under the bridge, and what we CAN do something about is how we move foward; and also, Russia brazenly seized (and still holds) about 20% of Georgia's territory a few years ago, when the US had a different president who wasn't shy about sending troops abroad or spending freely on the military. Like many of you, I am very unhappy with some of Obama's past foreign policy moves. My focus today, is on what he's doing today. I'm not sure that US is taking the best possible course in this matter. In particular, I would like to see some solid commitments of US military assistance to Ukraine (with some conditions) -- though given my point 1 above, I'm not certain how wise that would be. On the other side, taking into account all the realities, I'm not sure that the US is NOT taking the best possible course. kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/22/2014 8:28:53 PM   For what I saw and heard, US and Allied military exercises/ participations with Ukraine were a manangirial and logistical " nightmare ". Hopefully with the current events ( little brother getting a sucker punch from his big brother Russia ), Ukrainians will have a better attitude of cooperation towards the West. Once we all hold and push back this BULLY, then we all be able to drink Piva, Vodka with Salo. kaiserdag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/22/2014 8:56:50 PM   US, UK military to stage NATO exercises in Ukraine. http://rt.com/news/us-uk-ukraine-crimea-069/ MartinPC Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/22/2014 9:38:21 PM   Q: Why did the (US) shit hit the fan when Iraq invaded Kuwait? A: Because Kuwait has oil. Q: Wht did the (US) shit not hit the fan when Turkey invaded Cyprus? A: Because Cyprus doesn't have oil. Over the years USA has earned itself something of a reputation as a "bully boy" throwing it's weight around even pissing off it's "close friend" UK in 1983 when Reagan ordered the invasion of a country of the British Commonwealth. During the Libyan crisis I actually respected Obama, of course USA was a major player in sorting out Gaddafi (who else would have 100+ Tomahawk missiles to launch in one night?) but he let USA, on the face of it, take a back seat and left France and UK to publicly lead the assault. Now as I see this Ukrainian crisis it is Russia vs European Union, the Ukrainian people want the EU but Putin disagrees with them and is throwing his "bully boy" weight around much the same as the USA have done in the past. So if Obama was so happy and willing to take a back seat during the Libyan crisis why is he so unwilling to take a back seat over a European situation, does he not consider the European Union to be a mighty enough force to persuade Putin to bugger off out of Ukraine? lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/22/2014 11:52:05 PM   Martin,,,, I don’t think it’s because we (USA) wanted to control Kuwait’s oil,,, we just didn’t want Iraq to control it. And,,,, if memory serves me correctly,,,, I don’t think we were getting Kuwaiti oil at the time,,, it was mostly Japan. During the 2nd gulf war,, it was Germany, France, and Russia that was against it. Germany and France were getting Iraqi oil. Supposedly,,,, we had it set up that the people of Iraq were to receive some of the profit from the sale of oil. Not sure how that turned out. In my opinion,,, Obama has been taking a back seat up until the last few days. Maybe he is just in the news more? “does he not consider the European Union to be a mighty enough force to persuade Putin to bugger off out of Ukraine?” No,,, I don’t think it is. A few days ago I saw a comparison on Russia vs. EU,,, and Russia had the advantage with troop numbers and heavy equipment. I tried to find that chart before writing this,,,, and I couldn’t find it. Too damn many links this week. lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/23/2014 12:09:05 AM   Durak: “Now, I've seen a lot of complaining about how Obama's wussiness brought this about, etc.” Message received! smirk Don’t confuse demanding action with wanting war! I don’t want US troops in Ukraine either,,, but the impotence of the EU, US and Ukraine could invite war. There will never be a better time for Russia to rebuild the USSR than right now. Up until the last few days,,, Putin had no reason to think otherwise! lonelyranger1701 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 3/23/2014 12:15:56 AM   Here are some posts from fb that I’ve found tonight. And No,,, I didn’t write any of them. “Romney was right too....hey Obozo you dumbass fraud...the 80s are calling for their foreign policy back because stupid libtards like you never learned "if you don't learn from history, it repeats itself...human nature"...electing this fraud without vetting him is the greatest disaster to our country....that is coming from a proud union democrat...but re-electing him is/will be the biggest disaster for freedom loving people around the world....don't ever forget obozo telling the Russians he will have greater "FLEXIBILTY" after the election! Impeach and prosecute this TRAITOR!!” http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/leftist-papers-begrudgingly-admit -palin-was-right-about-russia “When Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney suggested the U.S. Navy was shrinking and at its weakest ever, Obama sarcastically replied “we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military’s changed.” “ Read more: http://ow.ly/uQFty via @CommDigiNews “The US MUST stand strong against Putin...but with this anti-American, anti-western pussy in the whitehouse I don't see it...if I was America's enemies now is the time to make your move and get all you can while the so-called progressive libtards are in power! liberals make me sick....who will they blame now??” http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/why-ukraine-conflict- could-look-world-war-i-n58776 Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Opinions: How the West Should Respond
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