Jey, glad you are back safe, you have almost put me off going to Moldova, I am going to see a girl soon, pretty sure she is ok, but also thought I might meet 27035, is she one of the girls mentioned?
Did you register with the Police? In just six weeks I will be going to Chisinau to spend time with a sweet lady I have been talking to nightly (via yahoo and webcam) for the past seven months. Octavian with MTS Travel booked my flights and he mentioned that I really don't need to pay to register. He lives in USA now, but use to live in Moldova, if I remember correctly.
His words via email:
"Although officially you have to register with the police, I wouldn't recommend doing that at all. If you stay at a hotel (apartment would be better) and they register for you, that's fine. Do not attempt to search a police station because no foreigners do that and the police station will be surprised you paid them a visit. Although Moldova is former USSR, the
atmosphere is different from Russia. Moldovans are used to foreigners and would not treat you much differently."
I have a lot of respect for Octavian. He never steared me wrong - I intended at one point to check into The Meridian Hotel - because the rates seemed especially favorable and the rooms looked nice based on internet pictures. He immeidately advised against it telling me (as he told you) that he grew up in Chisinau and it was near a very noisy undesirable market. I booked elsewhere (of course) but discovered things to be exactly as he said.
I've never been to Russia itself, so I don't know how foreigners are treated there - but I can tell you that the people of Moldova seemed less accepting of foreigners than they were in Ukraine - where I have visited. The police seemed to be a major problem - the one who threatened to arrest me told my lady that he especially resented foreigners because "all the good looking ladies were leaving the country". Both he and the officer at the airport wanted to see a slip of paper from the hotel I was registered with to be carried with my passport and visa and telling them exactly where I was staying the entire while. I would not have wanted to be without that and i suggest you always carry it as well.
I don't know anything about registering yourself with the police department as the law requires, versus having the hotel do it for you. I stayed in a private hotel the enire while and that task was done for me. Considering my experience with the police there however - and the general fear that even Moldovans have of them - I would be reluctant to go to a police station for ANY reason voluntarily.
I am aware of an Israely having to pay 50 to get his passport back even though all of his papers were in order. I am also aware of an Italian who was detained overnight and had have the assistance of three lawyers and an embassy official when it was discovered that his registration address paper was wrong (this gentlemen was also staying at my hotel).
you MUST be registered!
As jet says, if you are lodging in hotels or professional renting agencies, they will do it for you. If you are privat with your girl, ask her to go with you to the local district bureau (not police office).
Carry that document always with you and leaving at airport they sometimes ask for this paper. It is a very popular way for the staff in airport to make some money, if you havnīt it or lost it.
Like jet I know personally some cases, where even a businessman had to cancel his flight, because he coulndīt show that funny document to the airport authorities.
Same issue for the declaration of goods and money you bring to Moldova. It depends on the amount of cash you bring to Moldova. Make this declaration and safe it till leaving on airport!
I agree with Jet and WT on all points, YOU MUST REGISTER, and if you wont, be prepared for a world of pain !!
Nisse I think it was, was very lucky, he didnt do the customs forms going in or comming out of Russia, but thankfully he slipped throigh the net, if he had been asked for them and hadnt had them he might even still be there now trying to get out of it !! :o)
On my first visit to Russia I tried to beat the system with the advice of my girl and one of her friends that works in the intourist hotel in her town. Her friend stamped my immigration form (for the price of a one day hotel stay)showing that I was registered in that hotel for a day. On my way from her town to Moscow for our last three days together I was stopped and had to bribe the officer, but my girl negotiated the bribe down to a $20 US bill. Now I always register at the local office of visa registration, and never have to worry.
The other thing that it is important to mention here is that when you decide to marry your lady in her country, or in yours if you go the K1 route, you will be asked to provide proof of your visits and proof of where you stayed while there, ie: Registration records !! If you don't register properly, you wont have the papers you need to make the visa app` and it could delay the wedding for months !!!
Ok, so I should go to this local district bureau WT speaks of, or see if the company I plan to rent an apartment through can do it for me. In either case, what is the acceptable fee for this process? I don't want someone to TRY to rip me off. I trust my Moldovan sweetie, but she has never had anyone visit her, so she does not know the process that well. She is a good person, pretty, a little shy, well educated, even rejected my offer to pay for some internet time. She talks to me for a few hours :)) almost everyday via webcam and I know it is expensive for her at the cafes she goes to. I only offered after about 5 months of talking, so don't shoot me.
Musicman:
You mention renting an apartment through an agency. That certainly beats staying at an overpriced hotel - but if $60 - including a great breakfast for two (10% discount for extended stay of a week of more) is within your budget - I have a GREAT suggestion for a place to stay. Marble floors, security around it, beautiful courtyard - even a bidet in the bathroom. Just three years old. As I mention in one of my posts in another thread - the hotel I got was GREAT and probably the best part of the trip. I'm anxious to pass the info on to someone else if you are interested.
I actaully had picked out an apartment near the lady's residence for $30 per night. She discouraged the choice saying it was in a bad part of town (a bad building) even though all the pics posted on the internet looked good. While in Moldova she showed me the place I was refering to from the outside. It was a DUMP! It was only half the price of my $60 place but no bargain.
"even a bidet in the bathroom"
!!! Bloody handy if you get dirty feet ;o))
Jet: you ommitted to mention that the hotel staff ahve no English speakers though mate :o)) Just thought I should be mentioned as its a tad important if you dont speak Russian/Moldovan :o)
Most Russian/Moldovan/Ukraine/Uzbek, buildings look like dumps from the outside, but inside they can be palaces.
I have rented flats in a few places and every one has been beautiful inside, who cares what the outside looks like, you only see when you come and go from the place !!
Tim: Yes I did neglect to mention that the hotel staff had no English speakers. It is run by a woman named Elena and her elderly mother and father (though owned by another gentlemen I met). Internet resevervations are available and SOME comunication is possible through Elena's son who does speak English - unfortunately he works elsewhere and was not there on a daily basis. But if Music has a Moldovan lady - the communication barrier should not be a problem (unless she intends to hold him captive as my lady did me).
I guess my only concern about renting a flat as opposed to an apartment is the question of security. I have to admit it was nice to be within a big well maintained court yard surrounded by high walls and a steel gate. (if I sound a bit paranoid with that last statement perhaps, given my experience, its justified).
There are long dark hallways and stairways in most apartment buildings - and being a foreigner it is possible to have an encounter that is not advantageous to you.
The security gate kept people out in my hotel. In one building a callbutton and speaker system alerted those inside to unlock the gate. Then they did a visual check before letting you in. In the other building a button that sounded a birdlike buzzer alerted security that someone was at the gate. They then came and unlocked it along with helping you carry whatever you had inside.
Tim - not anly is the bidet handy for feet. It can be a great assist in washing socks. Planned to stay for two weeks - actually stayed for three. Moldovans have no phone books (with laundry services), no laundermats, and I had no washing machine. The streets are dirty and it rained a lot.
Within ten days everything I had was bloody awful (now you have me saying it...). Olga offered to have her mother hand wash my shirts and pants (they have no wash machine) - but somehow that did not seem appropriate to me. Olga told me that her mother wouldn't mind (???) but that no one would wash someone else's underwear or socks that must be done (she said) and she suggested I do it in the bathroom and hang them from the shower-rod. Now maybe I don't travel often enough for long periods - or maybe I just generally pack enough (or maybe I would just be tempted to throw the dirty stuff out and buy new socks and underwear rather than scrub and hang a bunch of stuff in the bathroom) but I did it - with the aid of the bidet.
Through my lady - I spoke to the hotel staff and finally found a way to do my pants and my shirts. A lady on the staff took them in and washed and ironed them charging me 280 lei (about 25$!) for 14 items. But I have never in my life had my blue jeans pressed with such a fine crease before (three pair).